There is a million of them

[JDecree]

Hi guys,

I'm very weighed down by the plethora of entirely different gospel messages out there on the Worldly Wild WEB that I have come across that have so messed up my mind I am in doubt of just about everything for the past year.

They all come with their evidence that seems to mostly line up with scripture. They all have their dead serious 'gurus.' I have heard so many views that truth seems impossible at this point.

Sinless perfection
Calvinism
Arminianism
Works Salvation
Grace alone
Grace that leads to works
Grace plus works
The law people
The Sabbath people
The feasts people
The sacred name people

What is worse is we are not excused by not knowing or being wrong. Ignorance/deception will be no defense on judgement day. So which is it? I dont know why I am even asking, just crying out for help I guess. However I know only Jesus can help me. I pray this thread doesnt inspire doubt. Forgive me guys.

I know there is only one truth. I just want to know what it is.

 

[nathan3]

Time to pray . and get into the word yourself

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I know there is only one truth. I just want to know what it is.

Here are Jesus' commandments. Obey these and you will know the truth.

• Believe (have faith) in Christ

[The people] said to [Jesus], 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe into him whom he has sent.' John 6:28-29

Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord [by faith], so walk in him [by faith]. Colossians 2:6
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• Love your neighbor as yourself

A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another. As I (Jesus) have loved you, also you love one another. John 13:34

This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us. 1 John 3:23-24
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For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are summed up in this statement: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not commit evil against a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10​

Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12​

What are the great commandments of Moses' law?

• Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40

What does it mean to love GOD with all the heart, soul, and mind?

• For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
• If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
  
• He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21

And what are GOD's commandments?

This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23
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That is how simple it is. Ignore anyone who tries to complicate things.

 

[crossnote]

Yes, there is only one Truth...John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

When you start to derail go back to the basics.

 

[ForthAngel]

I don't adhere to any of them personally. I think all of them get some of it right, and parts of it wrong. A bit of an annoyance when people argue over it unless it's something that is compromising the gospel in some way, which many will claim that the others do. I would try not to get too hung up on which is right and which is wrong but be aware of the truth they do get right and stuff that makes you question take with a grain of salt 'til you have studied the subject matter yourself. Be objective and do as Nathan3 said. Some doctrines cause me to doubt and even be afraid of my own beliefs. I guess this is what was meant by work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.

 

[Exoaria]

Hi guys,

I'm very weighed down by the plethora of entirely different gospel messages out there on the Worldly Wild WEB that I have come across that have so messed up my mind I am in doubt of just about everything for the past year.

They all come with their evidence that seems to mostly line up with scripture. They all have their dead serious 'gurus.' I have heard so many views that truth seems impossible at this point.

Sinless perfection
Calvinism
Arminianism
Works Salvation
Grace alone
Grace that leads to works
Grace plus works
The law people
The Sabbath people
The feasts people
The sacred name people

What is worse is we are not excused by not knowing or being wrong. Ignorance/deception will be no defense on judgement day. So which is it? I dont know why I am even asking, just crying out for help I guess. However I know only Jesus can help me. I pray this thread doesnt inspire doubt. Forgive me guys.

I know there is only one truth. I just want to know what it is.

I'm in the same boat. I'm somewhere in the "Grace that leads to works" sense. I learn everything from the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to teach me. I suggest you do the same, because doing that helps me the most.

 

[cfultz3]

The best thing anyone can do is to abandon their search of Truth from the theology of a man's thoughts. The Bible is God's inspired Truth from His Spirit. That being so, let your believes come from That. Oh, by the way, the Spirit of Truth is given to us all, He is not shy to tell you and would even back it up with Scripture.

 

[oldhermit]

Hi guys,

I'm very weighed down by the plethora of entirely different gospel messages out there on the Worldly Wild WEB that I have come across that have so messed up my mind I am in doubt of just about everything for the past year.

They all come with their evidence that seems to mostly line up with scripture. They all have their dead serious 'gurus.' I have heard so many views that truth seems impossible at this point.

Sinless perfection
Calvinism
Arminianism
Works Salvation
Grace alone
Grace that leads to works
Grace plus works
The law people
The Sabbath people
The feasts people
The sacred name people

What is worse is we are not excused by not knowing or being wrong. Ignorance/deception will be no defense on judgement day. So which is it? I dont know why I am even asking, just crying out for help I guess. However I know only Jesus can help me. I pray this thread doesnt inspire doubt. Forgive me guys.

I know there is only one truth. I just want to know what it is.

It sounds to me like what you are struggling with is not so much how to harmonize the labyrinth of doctrinal opinions that are common to all "Christian" forums but, how to read scripture so that you can determine the truth for yourself. This may prove to be the root of your conflict. If would like some help in this matter perhaps you would be more interested in a one on one study.

 

[reject-tech]

Start with psalms or the prophets, reading with the allegation that the bad guys are the ones preaching bad things about God, the tribulation is now, and it might be a little more clear.

Love'em all.

 

[JDecree]

Thanks for all your responses. I guess the root of my issue is trying to figure out what must I do to be saved. Some speak of obedience(in addition to faith) in order to be saved but they seem to fail to realize that if obedience can save you, it must be total obedience.

The problem then becomes my lifestyle which heavily leans towards disobedience. If there is security to be had I need it.

 

[OwenHeidenreich]

Check it out, if you need to see what normal christianity is not boring or even close to that at all.

[video=youtube;3Dv2IbG_C2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dv2IbG_C2w[/video]

 

[iamsoandso]

CHURCH FATHERS: Home years ago the same crossed my mind i found these letters to help. now at first i thought "whats the difference" that is this is for the most part of the mainstream roman church/catholic church but then it hit me,,,,

i wondered which letters were written within the first or second century a.d.,,,,,,,,now many churches say these are from my church,and others say no,these are our church fathers. but to lay all that aside,if you break them down by the years they were written and look at them they are quite eye opening.

i thought this,,this is 2013,1913 is a hundred years ago. now there are still people alive that remember the depression and so if you wanted to know how it "really was" you could find some one and ask. the same with ww2 there are still ww2 vets alive and we could just ask.

so think this through,,,from a.d.70 to a.d.170 (a hundred years right?),,the point is those who wrote letters up to about 200 a.d. were taught by some one who new one of the original church members,for example Irenieous listened to polycarp preach when he was a little boy,polycarp was a friend of the apostle john.

ignatious wrote several letter to john the apostle and to Mary the mother of christ,,mary wrote a letter back to ignatious and these letters have always been in our possession. now the more you study the second generation church letter's you will notice that at times the second gen. bishops gave endorsement to others so it makes their letters more believable,,for example ignatious(believed by most to be the baby Christ put on his knee when he said who soever offendeth any of these ect.) appointed hippo to bishop of his church when he was about to be martyred.

just about this point in time the church began to argue among them selves and their ideas of doctrine began to differ,,,,i made a list of names of the early second generation church letters (for my own use),,,just click on their names and see when they were born and who they were.

ill give an example,in the modern churches we all argue,,,"i think the harlot is the u.s.",,,another church says "i think it's the catholic church",,,,ect. and on and on,,,,but if you make a group of the letters from the first 100-200 years after the apostles,,,they all agree it is Jerusalem/Judaism,,that is whether they understood every detail or not they at least knew that the apostles taught the before them who it was and the bishop before them taught them.

now from about 350 ad on it even seems to me that some may have swayed into inserting their own ideas,,,but i admit at times 500 a.d. ect. ect. i found certain popes and bishops who when you read their letters you will also find they say "look back,look at the letters written in the second generation church by it's members",,,and though they said it aloud few listened.

go back to the "oldest letters you can find in this list",,,,be cautious with the others,,,pay close attention as to who they tell you Babylon is,look close at how they explain how to understand the mark,,,,they were taught by men who were taught directly by the apostles.,,,,,,,,

 

[jonathanbchristian]

A Catholic commentary can make you Catholic. A baptist commentary can make you a baptist. Only the Bible can make you a Christian.

 

[Jane_doe]

What is worse is we are not excused by not knowing or being wrong. Ignorance/deception will be no defense on judgement day. So which is it? I dont know why I am even asking, just crying out for help I guess...

I know there is only one truth. I just want to know what it is.

25,000 DIFFERENT NON-CATHOLIC DENOMINATIONS – DOCTRINAL CHAOS IS THE BAD FRUIT OF MAN-MADE RELIGION

2 Peter 2:1- "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction."

Following Martin Luther's excommunication from the Catholic Church in 1520, which marked the beginning of the Protestant movement, over 20,000 different denominations have been created in about 500 years. In 1980, David A. Barret's World Christian Encyclopedia (Oxford University Press) gave the number of different denominations as 20, 780. He projected that there would be 22,190 denominations by 1985.

This would mean that there are approximately 25,000 (or possibly 30,000) different denominations today. Even if, for the sake of argument, one were to take a conservative estimate, and give the number at only 15,000 different denominations, this equates to more than one new sect having been created every two weeks.

When we consider the fact that the original founders of Protestantism didn't even agree with each other on major points of doctrine, such denominational chaos shouldn't be a surprise. Protestantism is man-made religion, in which each person ultimately determines for himself what he thinks the Bible teaches. Martin Luther (the initiator of Protestantism) condemned the doctrinal views of John Calvin and Huldrych Zwingli, two other leading Protestant figures. They all claimed to follow the Bible.

Basically all of these thousands of non-Catholics sects purport to be Christian and claim to follow the Bible, even though they disagree with each other on other crucial doctrinal matters, such as: the precise nature of justification, whether human works and sins are a part of salvation, whether men have free will; predestination; whether infants need baptism for salvation; what communion is; whether it's necessary to confess to the Lord; which books of the New Testament apply to us today; the structure of the Church's hierarchy; the role of bishops and ministers; the Sabbath; the role of women in church; etc. ad nauseam. Most of these groups even claim that the individual "Christian" will be led by the Holy Spirit when privately reading the Bible. The disunity of these sects constitutes and irrefutable proof that their doctrine is not of the Spirit of Truth; and that their principle of operation (i.e.., Scripture alone apart from the Church and Tradition) is not the doctrine of the Bible and the Apostles.

Ephesians 2:4-5- "One body and one spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism."


Quoted from Bro. Peter Dimond's book, The Bible Proves the Teachings of the Catholic Church

 

[Tintin]

Naughty, Martin Luther! Helping the Church return to God's Word. Ugh! How problematic.

Don't blame Luther for what happened next.

 

[Jane_doe]

I don't believe that Martin Luther, an ex-Catholic priest, reformed the Church established by Jesus Christ. His radical beliefs i.e. that we can commit murder and fornication a thousand times a day and not lose our justification is totally against the Word of God. Moreover, I find it very telling that, according to Mr. Luther himself, he came up with the idea on justification while "on the privy."

When there are abuses in the church those abuses must be corrected but their is no "reforming" the divinely revealed truths of Jesus Christ. When someone departs from these truths, as I believe Martin Luther has, they are not reforming but rebelling.

 

[didymos]

However, as it is written:“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

(1 Cor. 2:9)

 

[Praus]

Ephesians 2:4-5- "One body and one spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism."

The church at Ephesus is Greek Orthodox:

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople

 

[homwardbound]

Hi guys,

I'm very weighed down by the plethora of entirely different gospel messages out there on the Worldly Wild WEB that I have come across that have so messed up my mind I am in doubt of just about everything for the past year.

They all come with their evidence that seems to mostly line up with scripture. They all have their dead serious 'gurus.' I have heard so many views that truth seems impossible at this point.

Sinless perfection
Calvinism
Arminianism
Works Salvation
Grace alone
Grace that leads to works
Grace plus works
The law people
The Sabbath people
The feasts people
The sacred name people

What is worse is we are not excused by not knowing or being wrong. Ignorance/deception will be no defense on judgement day. So which is it? I dont know why I am even asking, just crying out for help I guess. However I know only Jesus can help me. I pray this thread doesnt inspire doubt. Forgive me guys.

I know there is only one truth. I just want to know what it is.

maybe start with this: as a basis
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Ask God what this means from God to you. Ask God if God really is this Merciful and read through the word in context, trusting God himself to reveal truth to you, and you shall know the truth the truth that sets you free in appreciation to God, with a Godly sorrow over any worldly sorrow.
Go now and trust in God whom you do not see, just as the air you breathe that you do not see

 

[homwardbound]

I don't believe that Martin Luther, an ex-Catholic priest, reformed the Church established by Jesus Christ. His radical beliefs i.e. that we can commit murder and fornication a thousand times a day and not lose our justification is totally against the Word of God. Moreover, I find it very telling that, according to Mr. Luther himself, he came up with the idea on justification while "on the privy."

When there are abuses in the church those abuses must be corrected but their is no "reforming" the divinely revealed truths of Jesus Christ. When someone departs from these truths, as I believe Martin Luther has, they are not reforming but rebelling.

Tell me will one that does believe God commit such acts as you just stated?