Ok, remember that story in the Bible when Jesus cast those demons out of that man and sent them into the pigs? One thing that has always bothered me about that story is this. He just drowned over 2000 pigs. Those pigs were someone's source of income because there were herdsman there. Jesus, being a man of integrity certainly would have paid those men for their loss of income. Maybe he did and the Bible just neglected to mention it.
Demons and pigs
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Leviticus 11:7And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you.
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Does Eating Pork Cause High Blood Pressure?
Well pork isn't good for our health and so I guess Jesus was trying to get rid of some of the problems; but if He would of have been in our time, He probably would have casted the demons into the Coca plant which will cause them to shrivel away and even though it is a cash crop, but it isn't good for us either.
Most food products derived from animals are high in saturated fat and cholesterol. Both of these factors have been shown to increase the risk of [FONT=inherit !important][FONT=inherit !important]high [/FONT][FONT=inherit !important]blood[/FONT][/FONT] pressure. High amounts of sodium have also been linked to high blood pressure and many forms of pork, including ham and bacon, contain large amounts of salt for preservation and flavoring. Food preparation, such as fried pork chops or deep-fried pork tenderloins, can also cause an increase in fat levels and may lead to higher blood pressure as well. Additionally, foods that use internal parts of the pig--such as livers, the brain, or the intestines--are going to be much higher in cholesterol that can also play a role in high blood pressure.
Does Eating Pork Cause High Blood Pressure?
Well pork isn't good for our health and so I guess Jesus was trying to get rid of some of the problems; but if He would of have been in our time, He probably would have casted the demons into the Coca plant which will cause them to shrivel away and even though it is a cash crop, but it isn't good for us either.
B
As some brothers posted about the uncleaness of pig, I always thought about this question...What we're they doing keeping pigs on a island or place secluded??? Because we know that it's against Jewish dietary laws to eat of it, so why did they have them? My speculations say everything was at the right place so Jesus could remove the sin that was among those herd keepers...
D
The place, Gadarene is not in Israel. They all are gentiles as no Jew would ever raise pigs. It was the demons who asked Jesus for permission to enter the pigs. I do know demons seek to live in a "house". They want to be in humans but will also go into animals and even plants for moisture and comfort.
D
The bible does not say he was a Jew and that country is a gentile nation. So from this we can assume he was a gentile.
It is an interesting story, but I don't understand it all. I believe the stories in the New Testament are real but they also represent something or teach us something, but what does this story teach us?
It is an interesting story, but I don't understand it all. I believe the stories in the New Testament are real but they also represent something or teach us something, but what does this story teach us?
M
Scripture does not say if the Demoniac was a Gentile or Jew and it does not matter. The point is that the person was completely controlled by demons ("Legion, for we are many"). All demons must have a vessel to operate through, humans are preferred because they are created by and loved by God. But animals will do until humans are available. If Jesus had simply told them to get out, the demons would have searched out other humans to occupy and since THAT was not the Lord's plan, and the demons knew that, He gave them permission to go into the animals.
Gentiles raised and ate pigs. They used the skin for hides. To the Gentiles, pigs were the same as sheep to the Jews...it was Income.
The Awesome fact that Jesus told the demons to occupy the pigs and they then did that was a HUGE testimony of Who He Was and what His power and authority was...TO the Gentiles. How many Gentiles became believers after seeing that scenario and then seeing the crazy lunatic changed into a solid citizen of Gadarene???
Too often Christians fail to look at the bigger picture.
Maggie
Gentiles raised and ate pigs. They used the skin for hides. To the Gentiles, pigs were the same as sheep to the Jews...it was Income.
The Awesome fact that Jesus told the demons to occupy the pigs and they then did that was a HUGE testimony of Who He Was and what His power and authority was...TO the Gentiles. How many Gentiles became believers after seeing that scenario and then seeing the crazy lunatic changed into a solid citizen of Gadarene???
Too often Christians fail to look at the bigger picture.
Maggie
D
There is one interesting point in this story. Legion mentioned a conundrum when he said "My name is legion (singular) for we are many (plural)". The demoniac also self harms, indicating past abuse.
In deliverance ministries Legion is common and really not that powerful. He is found in all persons with Multiple Personality Disorder, also known as D.I.D.
In deliverance ministries Legion is common and really not that powerful. He is found in all persons with Multiple Personality Disorder, also known as D.I.D.
Something that I learned a long time ago is that life is just not fair. God doesn't want you to be comfortable, He wants you to be strong. I know nothing about the living of the man who owned the pigs and we might never know. God allows a lot of crappy things to happen to good people, even Christians. I'm sure it was all in His grand plan.
Whenever humans pull scripture apart and try using their human reasoning with it, there are differences of opinions because it is humans doing it. If God plainly says so, then we are to know. Lots of things in the bible is not plainly described, meaning that we don't need to know. If people disagree about what it says, one of those people is wrong.
So with the story of the pigs. There are certain facts about God that are there, and we can know that our knowing about how he handled the pigs is not to be used to cancel those facts. God is love. God wants shalom for His people. God does not want His people to be possessed by demons. So learn what God is telling you, and know you can't know all that God knows. If God felt you needed to know the economic position of the pig owners, who they were, how losing their pigs affected them, or any of that God would have told you. If this shakes your faith in the ability of God to run His world with shalom, then your faith is very frail.
So with the story of the pigs. There are certain facts about God that are there, and we can know that our knowing about how he handled the pigs is not to be used to cancel those facts. God is love. God wants shalom for His people. God does not want His people to be possessed by demons. So learn what God is telling you, and know you can't know all that God knows. If God felt you needed to know the economic position of the pig owners, who they were, how losing their pigs affected them, or any of that God would have told you. If this shakes your faith in the ability of God to run His world with shalom, then your faith is very frail.
M
Yes, God ALLOWS bad things, but it is not HIS PLAN that they happen. While nothing happens without His knowledge, it is the sin and iniquity of a person that STAYS GOD'S HAND in protecting him/her. When we are unrepentant of sin, even unknowingly, WE, not God, open the door to the spiritual enemy and give entities of darkness permission to enter. Only through confession and repentance can WE close the door and then ask God to fill us with His wisdom, peace and joy. When we repent, then God can, again, protect us and carry out His plan in our lives.
Maggie
Maggie
I don't believe that all terrible things that happen to us are the result of our own sin. The disciples asked, "Who had sinned? This man or his parents?" regarding the man born blind. His response was "Neither." (John 9)
You are entitled to what you believe, and I do understand the gist of what you are saying and agree with some of it, but I don't like the "you better not sin, not even unknowingly or God's gonna let Satan getcha" mentality.
You are entitled to what you believe, and I do understand the gist of what you are saying and agree with some of it, but I don't like the "you better not sin, not even unknowingly or God's gonna let Satan getcha" mentality.
C
He did not ask, they begged Him to allow them to go into the pigs. He permitted it. The questions of: why that particular land was protected by those demons, insomuch that no one was of strength to have passed by them? Why did the WHOLE city come out and met, just as those demons met Him, and begged Him, just as those demons begged Him, to leave their border lines? If I understand correctly, they were begging Jesus to not torture them before due season, but to take His feet back over to HIS OWN city. Another interesting thing about those two with demons is that they came out from (source) tombs, as oppose to "from" (departure).
But, as to why He permitted them to go into the pigs, I do not know. But, I do know that it was the demons who made them run over the cliff. But, it could be that Jesus was not yet ready to torture them but allowed them to continue their spiritual domain over that city. Either way, they were to withdraw themselves from His presence.
Also, that land of the Girgashites was one of the original city of Canaan God told the Hebrews to destroy.
But, as to why He permitted them to go into the pigs, I do not know. But, I do know that it was the demons who made them run over the cliff. But, it could be that Jesus was not yet ready to torture them but allowed them to continue their spiritual domain over that city. Either way, they were to withdraw themselves from His presence.
Also, that land of the Girgashites was one of the original city of Canaan God told the Hebrews to destroy.
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In the first place who said there were 2000 pigs? It says the unclean spirits known as Legion because they were many asked the Lord for permission to go into the pigs. And the unclean spirits took it upon themselves to drive the pigs into their drowning death. What do you sapose the Lord was more worried about, a bunch of pigs or a mans spiritual and physical health?
C
Just as He did with Job
Just as it says that there is no shadow of darkness in God. He is the God who created all things which are good, very good
Just as He did with Job
Just as He did to Job for charging Him with acting unjustly in his life, believing evil of God, denying His goodness, very goodness
Just as He did to Job
Just as Job repented and God blessed Him
Just as He did with Job
Just as it says that there is no shadow of darkness in God. He is the God who created all things which are good, very good
Just as He did with Job
Just as He did to Job for charging Him with acting unjustly in his life, believing evil of God, denying His goodness, very goodness
Just as He did to Job
Just as Job repented and God blessed Him
Just as He did with Job
M
You can believe what you want. But I've studied and studied, taken classes, etc. I know what I'm talking about. Scripture does not lie. People perish (both physically and spiritually) for lack of knowledge. God protects those that walk in righteousness which cannot be done if there is unrepented sin or generational iniquity....which is to say that yes, it COULD be because of the sins of parents or grandparents...per Ex 20:5