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I just wonder why Dispensationalism has become so popular. It didn’t even exist as an idea for the first 1800 years of Christianity, now most US Christian voters seem to believe it. It seems like such a weird idea to me; God can only make the Rapture occur if the US votes lots of tax dollars to Israel. That doesn’t sound like an all-powerful God to me.
really?
Does the Church Replace Israel?
by Dr. Arturo Azurdia III
Now friends, people often ask me, "Do you believe that the church replaces Israel. The answer is "no of course not!!!" The church does not replace Israel. The fact is, Jewish people who reject Jesus Christ are apostate from Israel. Following Jesus Christ is the ultimate expression of true Judaism. Everything in the Old Testament pointed to Him. Israel and the church, then, are not in radical discontinuity, rather, the later is the consummated expression of the former. Beloved, a failure to appreciate that has profoundly determined strange things in our [own] country. By virtue of the influence of American evangelicalism we say silly things like "Always side with Israel, no matter what Israel does always side with Israel. God will take care of America if we always side with Israel. They are God's people." [But] Jesus says they are a synagogue of Satan. And is there a reason then why American evangelicals are notoriously ineffective in their evangelism of Arabs?
[emphasis mine]
Does the Church Replace Israel?
by Dr. Arturo Azurdia III
Now friends, people often ask me, "Do you believe that the church replaces Israel. The answer is "no of course not!!!" The church does not replace Israel. The fact is, Jewish people who reject Jesus Christ are apostate from Israel. Following Jesus Christ is the ultimate expression of true Judaism. Everything in the Old Testament pointed to Him. Israel and the church, then, are not in radical discontinuity, rather, the later is the consummated expression of the former. Beloved, a failure to appreciate that has profoundly determined strange things in our [own] country. By virtue of the influence of American evangelicalism we say silly things like "Always side with Israel, no matter what Israel does always side with Israel. God will take care of America if we always side with Israel. They are God's people." [But] Jesus says they are a synagogue of Satan. And is there a reason then why American evangelicals are notoriously ineffective in their evangelism of Arabs?
[emphasis mine]
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Gen 12:1-3 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy
kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: (2) And I will make
of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be
a blessing: (3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:
and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This hasn't changed. How one deals with Jews, is how God will deal with the one.
kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: (2) And I will make
of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be
a blessing: (3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:
and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This hasn't changed. How one deals with Jews, is how God will deal with the one.
Paul wrote Galatians. The political authority around the Temple probably had a copy in Jerusalem, already translated to Aramaic when they arrested him. They knew what he was up to, and they didn't think highly of it.
Acts 21:27 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place. Moreover, he even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple. 30 Then all the city was stirred up, and the people ran together. They seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates were shut. 31 And as they were seeking to kill him, word came to the tribune of the cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion. (ESV)
Acts 21:27 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place. Moreover, he even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple. 30 Then all the city was stirred up, and the people ran together. They seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates were shut. 31 And as they were seeking to kill him, word came to the tribune of the cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion. (ESV)
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I don't understand the sarcasm. This isn't what the OP or anyone here wants. We should not be funding or supporting any of those countries. Remember the goals of the founding fathers? To create a nation that would not be tied up with all the rivalry in other nations, to show the world an example of something better: a place where individual liberty allows people to pursue a better life. Christians know that the best life is summed up in Matthew 22:37: "‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’"
George Washington, 1796 Farewell Address: “It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. … Nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. … Such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. … The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. … Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice? It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.”
George Washington, 1796 Farewell Address: “It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. … Nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. … Such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. … The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. … Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice? It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.”
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But we are. The government takes your hard earned dollar and gives it to people that want to kill us. It is stupidity at its highest. But shame for giving it to Israel. Most of them, we have trained their military and given them weapons that they can use against us. Thats how stupid we have become. MOstly because, America has rejected God and wants no part of HIm.
Go and look at what Benjamin Franklin said to our first congress. If they even allow it to be on the net anymore and they sure don't teach it in school.
Go and look at what Benjamin Franklin said to our first congress. If they even allow it to be on the net anymore and they sure don't teach it in school.
how silly that you do not realize that the funding of all those countries is done through the people who TOOK OVER YOUR COUNTRY and are using their power to DESTROY you, while accomplishing their own goals.
through the very means you noted.
i do not know what universe some people have been living in.
WAKE UP.
you're conquered.
through the very means you noted.
i do not know what universe some people have been living in.
WAKE UP.
you're conquered.
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Sounds like everyone is opposed to US foreign aid to Arab countries, no surprise there. I would still like to understand why so many Christian support foreign aid to Israel. I am reading that Israel gets more US foreign aid than any other country, over THREE BILLION DOLLARS in 2012 alone! The article I am reading says the main reason is US Christian voters who feel the funding is needed for dispensationalism. I don’t understand why dispensationalism would create this US funding need, can anyone explain it to me?