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richierich121
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this looks like a battlefield instead of a discussing everyone fighting to prove who is right instead of discussing among each other and look to the bible for the anwser
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thats a first nice post lol think youll do well in this christian cage fight ding ding .
welcome to christian chat,, are we fighting or is iron sharpening iron , or are we ministering to the saints,
I think the subject has got a bit better,
Can i ask you a few questions, Your new are you a christian, Do you have any views on this topic or any of the comennts you've read, feel free to rebuke me bro, peace be with you in the name of the farther the son and the holy spirit
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richierich121
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not exactly new..had to make an alt account just came back to tell everyone bye, since i didn't get the opportunity too and was banned ban for no reason, hope one day everyone can actually work as brothers and sisters to find a solution to this never ending battle among ourselves, we have alot of denominations and creed and everyone fighting to support their beliefs
the fact that we have so many religions under the christian name should say something, everyone got their own theology to things but instead of fighting for what your beliefs are about something why can't we discuss it and work together to find the true doctrine of God.. i hope one day everyone can do, take care
sincerely, Josh God bless
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Quickfire
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Thankyou for your honesty and you seem sincere and to want to to try and sought things out, people make mistakes, and people sometimes get annoyed, with faith strenth and courage you can fight these things, through christ, and faith condemnation, gets easier to deal with as your faith grows,
I hope other people who here you plea who where caught up with in this ban may here your plea and start a fresh,
may i ask who your last username was, not that im being nosy but so that anyone who was caught up with you in your ban maybe be willing to make a fresh start with you,
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Bryancampbell
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See you brother, I think we actually came to a resolve today. I didn't know you got banned. One day we all will stand together, and someday we all will wear one white robe. God bless you and keep you!
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GraceBeUntoYou
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As indicated earlier, I have a ton of input to this discussion. I wanted to get this posted earlier, but my schedule has really kept me from doing so. I will have more to offer over the weekend, where I will further discuss at length other Pauline passages such as 1 Corinthians 8.6, and Philippians 2.6.
You said that the Doctrine of the Trinity asserts the equality of the Father, and the Son (“that the Father and the Son are ‘equally God’”), but then instead of taking the time to do a little extra research, and determine what is meant by equality, what is it that you do? You cite several out of context passages that have absolutely no bearing on the subject.
Every Trinitarian creed under the sun, and on God’s green earth confesses that this equality is one of ontology,
“being of one substance with the Father” – Nicene Creed
“consubstantial with the Father according to the Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to the Manhood” – Chalcedonian Creed
“equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity” – Athanasian Creed
“consubstantial with the Father according to the Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to the Manhood” – Chalcedonian Creed
“equal to the Father in divinity, subordinate to the Father in humanity” – Athanasian Creed
Yet, by citing passages such as John 14.28, your argument misses the mark completely. It strays away from ontology, and focuses primarily on issues of the Son’s authority in light of the incarnation. You’ve created the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition. More on this in my discussion of Philippians 2.
As it has already been pointed out, when Paul speaks of Christ as the “Firstborn,” he is not depicting Christ as the first-created of God’s created order. Of course, “Firstborn,” as it is used throughout the Old Testament is often used in reference to the preeminence of an individual, and is clearly seen in the highly Messianic Psalm, in which David (who here is a typification of the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ), the youngest amongst the sons of Jesse (1 Sam 16.11-13), is described and appointed as God’s “firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth” (Psalm 89.27). It is Christ, as the Son of God, who is the “Firstborn” in the sense that He is the “heir” of all things, for everything that belongs to the Father also belongs to the Son (John 16.15, 17.10). As the “firstborn” is the heir to all of his father’s estate, so too is Christ the heir of all the Heavenly Father’s estate, namely, all of creation (Col 1.15, Heb 1.2, Psalm 2.7-8).
We could discuss partitive genitives (“one of the students of the class”), or genitives of subordination (“King over Israel”) and its correlative analogous genitive (“King of Israel”), but because it is possible to understand this phrase as a partitive genitive in light of Orthodoxy (in light of the incarnation, the man Christ is most supreme, the most preeminent of all creation), I would instead like to direct attention to the preposition found in v. 16, ὅτι (“He is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of all creation, because…”), because our understanding of the subsequent things that Paul has to say is key to understanding what he meant by referring to Christ as “Firstborn of all creation.” The reason for Christ being called the “Firstborn of all creation” is “because all things were made in Him… through Him… and for Him.” This statement of course makes little or no sense if the phrase “Firstborn of all creation” is meant to mean that Christ is the first thing that God ever created. How is it that Christ is the first-created of all creation, because all things were created in, through, and for Him?
Of course, the Watchtower has a way around this by the simple addition of the word "other" into v. 16. They argue, that because the word “all,” does not always mean “all without exception” that this somehow justifies the insertion of “other” into the text. In their attempt to be consistent, they have added “other” in a number of places throughout Colossians 1 (v. 16 [x2]; v. 17[x2]; v. 20[x1]) with exception to v. 18, and the one place it would counteract their theological motive, Colossians 1.15 (“the Firstborn of all creation”). Thus, in attempt to be consistent, they have actually become inconsistent in their application. Working through the remainder of the Book of Colossians also reveals this inconsistency.
It seems strange that here at Colossians 1, Paul would suggest that it is “in,” and “through” Christ “all other things” came into existence, and turn right around in 1 Corinthians 8.6, and speak of “all things”within the created order as having their existence through Christ, particularly in light of the Father being the one “from whom are all things.” Of course, should one infer from 1 Corinthians 8.6 that through Christ “all other things” came into existence, then to remain consistent in application, they must also infer, that it is “from” the Father “whom are all other things.”
Moreover, when the expression τὰ πάντα ("all things") is used in the context of the created order, it , as Richard Bauckham has suggested (God Crucified: Monotheism and Christology, 32), “belongs to the standard rhetoric of Jewish monotheism, in which it constantly refers, quite naturally, to the whole of the created reality from which God is absolutely distinguished as its Creator, and Ruler,” i.e., Romans 11.36; 1 Cor 8.6; Ephesians 3.9; Heb 2.10; Gen 1.31; Neh 9.6; Eccl 3.11, 11.5; Job 8.3; Jer 10.16; 3 Macc 2.3; Wisdom 1.14, 9.1; Sirach 18.1, 23.20. Paul’s emphasis in the Christ-hymn upon the powers, the angelic agencies is circumstantial – it reflects Paul’s deliberate purpose and use of τὰ πάντα (v. 16).
Christ’s creation of “all things” serves as the sole basis of Him being “Firstborn of all creation.” If I were to say, “He is president of the United States, because he received the most votes,” the ground clause “because he received the most votes” modifies the predicate nominative “president” (giving the grounds for it) but does not contribute anything to the subordinate prepositional phrase “of the United States.” In fact, you could remove the subordinate prepositional phrase without issue, which again seems to indicate that there isn’t a link between it and the ground clause.
Whatever we take “Firstborn of all creation” to mean (and there are divergent views within Orthodoxy), it must be on the basis of Christ existing before, and creating all things as indicated in the ground clause, “because in Him all things in heaven and on earth were created.” This is elsewhere expressed throughout the NT, where the authority of the Creator over creation derives from the very act of creation itself (Revelation 4.11, Hebrews 2.8).
There's plenty more to say in regards to the πρὸ πάντων predication in v. 17, the εἰκὼν title in v. 15, the πλήρωμα ascription in Colossians 2.9, and the link between Colossians 1.12-20 and Hebrews 1.1-3, where there is a striking correspondence of concepts: (a) "through" the Son the world came into existence; (b) Christ is the "heir of all things" ("firstborn of all creation"); (c) He upholds the universe by the word of His power ("in Him all things hold together"); (d) He is the "radiance of the glory of God, and the exact imprint of His nature" ("the image of the invisible God"); (e) He made purification for sins ("through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross")
"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things (c.f. Hebrews 1.6), through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" (Hebrews 1.1-3)
"giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light.He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross" (Colossians 1.12-20)
"giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light.He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross" (Colossians 1.12-20)
But finally, the espoused interpretation doesn't mesh with other Pauline Christological texts (i.e., Philippians 2, 1 Corinthians 8-10).
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@GraceBeUntoYou you do know that FromTheBible has been banned i wll try to study your post and make a repsonse, can i just ask what your objective is here and what the point is your trying to make with this post,
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Hello, yes, it was made apparent that several have been banned. Regardless, I still intend to provide a detailed response for the sake of the body so that they know how to respond in case of future objections.
If it has not been made apparent to you, FromTheBible, is someone of the Jehovah's Witness persuasion, who believes that Christ is the first of God's created order, He is the first in the series of creation. The entire point of this initial post was to show that while "Firstborn of all creation" could be construed in this way, it was not the author's intention. Witnesses love to focus on the four words, "Firstborn of all creation," but ignore the ground clause (the grounds for it) for Christ being given the title "Firstborn of all creation." And when they attempt to explain the ground clause through the addition of terms not present in the text, they must utilize texts outside of the context of creation. Furthermore, as I will show in my upcoming posts, if what Paul had intended to portray here at Colossians 1.15 was that Christ was the first of creations in the created order, then either: (1) Paul did not write Colossians, or (2) Paul was communicating something contrary to what the Witnesses suggest.
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And while I would agree with the decision to ban Mark (multiple reasons), I would like to ask the staff here to lift the ban on FromTheBible so that I can engage this individual, and so that others will profit from it.
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Godslyric
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I have to say, thats a fine post, both in content, and articulation ... and very well presented...The written word seems to be a craft that is diminishing year after year in a culture that is striving to short cut every word, at every turn, and abbreviate everything in its sight to the point of loosing a very important process, the cultivation of Nuro Pathways, which in turn gives a man a larger forest to ponder in. Anyway, Im just rambling now...I wish I had your gift for written expression... I really enjoyed this post...Thanks.
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OwenHeidenreich
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Understand that the word "was" is a past tense word.
In the beginning was the word. He was there in the beginning. He wasn't created in the beginning..
verse 14 and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
STILL A PAST TENSE WORD
Why?
Because this was written after Jesus' death
So the word was made flesh, because Jesus was on the earth. now he is not.
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Of course he is fully GOD. For the reasons I mentioned, though, person is a horrible word to use to refer to GOD's distinct and separate states of being.
He is ONE BEING.[/QUOTE]
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This has been my argument with you all along phil36 and i do apologize to you sincerely for the way i have reacted to your comments at times, I hope you can see that i believe that salvation is between the individual and god,
im going to show you now that your beliefs are not taught like the way you see it, and why people have much confusion over this, you have stated that Jesus or the trinity is not 3 persons,, this is by no means to prove you wrong, but to show you the truth brother, which is why my frustration have shown,, because that is all i have been trying to do, and then obviously on top of that we have passed comments to each other,
About the Anglican Catholic Church | Anglican Catholic Church
this church is the one i am thinking of joining
this paragraph is on there about page on the link above,
We believe that there is one true and eternal God in Holy Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, without any difference or inequality, Con-substantial, Undivided and of one Essence in Three Divine Persons through whom all that is, was and ever shall be, was created and has its being.
We believe that Jesus Christ is the unique and final revelation of the Person and Purpose of God, in whom alone is the fullness of God's truth and grace, and that there is no other through whom salvation may be obtained.
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The above church is a reformation of the true church of England the only change for this church is they reformed over a fall out to include women pastors, so there beliefs about the trinity is the same as roman catholic and church of england,
that's like hundreds of millions of people not sharing your view phil36
this is not by no means to make you out to look bad but to show why perfectly innocent people explain things differently than you, and to show the truth, and hopefully lead to gods will to protect the innocent.
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I now want to share with you a dream and a revalation, also which will blow your mind away,
one of the revelations in the bible says there is 12 gates with pearls on them, my wife's mum who is 72 who up until 2 weeks ago did not know that Jesus was god had this revelation revealed to her which is revelation 21 verse 1 to 27 which is a revelation, about eternal life and eternity, my wife's mum had died from an asthma attack on the way to hospital she was resuscitated, at this time she was only 32 and did not know Jesus was God she came round and said to the doctor and her husband who was in the ambulance she said the words the pearly gates are open, no one knew what she was saying,
neither she, ? later on that day she was asked again and she could still not explain all she said was that was it looked like heaven and there was gates and they had pearls on them, later on in life some years later she came to learn that it was revelation in revelation in Revelation 21, 21, that she had seen.
one of the revelations in the bible says there is 12 gates with pearls on them, my wife's mum who is 72 who up until 2 weeks ago did not know that Jesus was god had this revelation revealed to her which is revelation 21 verse 1 to 27 which is a revelation, about eternal life and eternity, my wife's mum had died from an asthma attack on the way to hospital she was resuscitated, at this time she was only 32 and did not know Jesus was God she came round and said to the doctor and her husband who was in the ambulance she said the words the pearly gates are open, no one knew what she was saying,
neither she, ? later on that day she was asked again and she could still not explain all she said was that was it looked like heaven and there was gates and they had pearls on them, later on in life some years later she came to learn that it was revelation in revelation in Revelation 21, 21, that she had seen.
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and i hope you do brother and we should hope that for every one else to, every single human being was created in gods image,
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GraceBeUntoYou
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Brief Synopsis of 1 Corinthians 8-10
In 1 Corinthians 8-10 Paul has set up monotheism as this relational, loving commitment to the one God of Israel over against idolatry. According to Paul, the person who “loves God” (1 Cor 8.3) knows that “there is no God but one” (1 Cor 8. 4). We can see that from the language being utilized, Paul here is alluding to the Jewish confession of monotheism, “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.”
Paul picks up on this very point in v. 6, “to us there is but one God, the Father from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” But it is here at v. 6 that Unitarians argue for some kind of ontological distinction between the “one God” (v. 6a), and the “one Lord” (v. 6b), but the nature of that distinction is of some debate between sectarian groups. On one end of the spectrum, the Witnesses argue that though pagans had “many gods and many lords” (v. 5), lords were considered secondary deities in relationship to the gods, and so Paul is borrowing from that idea in his comparison of Christ the “one Lord,” and the Father who is the “one God.” On the other, Socinians argue that v. 5 distinguishes “gods” as heavenly figures from “lords,” who are their earthly representatives, and that v. 6 likewise distinguishes between the Father as God in contrast to Christ, who is His representative Lord.
It seems particularly odd that the Witnesses would even attempt to argue that “lords” are deities second to the “gods,” particularly in light of their position of Christ as “a god.” Likewise, it also seems awkward that the Socinian would argue for a distinction of “gods” as heavenly figures, and “lords” as their earthly representatives, especially in light of the Unitarian proposition that Jesus did not become “Lord” until his exaltation to the right hand of the Father in heaven. Further, in v. 5 Paul refers to the “gods” as being both in heaven and on earth (“For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth”), which ultimately undermines the Socinian interpretation by showing that Paul was not distinguishing between “gods” in heaven, and “lords” on earth.
Neither of these arguments really seem to consider, and for obvious reasons, that Kύριος (“Lord”) is the divine title emphasized in the Shema, “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” And in light of the overall context, Paul gives us the Christian self-understanding of how the monotheism of the Jewish Scriptures is to be interpreted in light of the incarnation of Jesus the Messiah, the “one Lord.” Some of the key terms found in the Shema is found here at 1 Corinthians 8.6 (θεὸς, κύριος, and εἷς).
In this passage Paul draws upon the monotheistic concept that God alone created the universe. To steal the words of Richard Bauckham (God Crucified: Monotheism & Christology, 38-39), “that God is not only the agent or efficient cause of creation ('from him are all things') and the final cause or goal of all things ('to him are all things'), but also the instrumental cause ('through him are all things') well expresses the typical Jewish monotheistic concern that God used no one else to carry out his work of creation. By Paul's reformulation in 1 Corinthians 8:6, he includes Christ in this exclusively divine work of creation by giving to him the role of instrumental cause,” and thereby includes Christ in the one divine identity. Moreover, I would tentatively suggest that the fluidity of Paul’s language when it comes to speaking of “the Spirit of God,” “the Spirit of Christ,” or “the Spirit of the Lord” (all of which are used interchangeably of one another, i.e., Rom 8.9-10; Acts 16.1-8; Phil 1.19; Gal 4.6) suggests that the Father and the Son, were regarded by Paul as one pneumatological unit.
Throughout this argument, Paul does not go on to speak about, as one would perhaps expect, the relationship between the Corinthians, and the “one God, the Father” over and against idolatry; but rather, the argument is about the relationship between the Corinthians, and the “one Lord” Jesus over against idolatry (10.19-22). And in a number of occasions throughout this discourse Paul places God, and "the Lord of glory" (1 Cor 2.8) side-by-side, attributing functions to, and describing Christ in such a way that would identify Him as the Lord of the OT.
Richard Bauckham, Larry Hurtado, N.T. Wright, F. F. Bruce, and Chris Tilling are just a few names in academia who have written at length on Paul's restructuring of the Shema here at 1 Corinthians 8.6.
In 1 Corinthians 8-10 Paul has set up monotheism as this relational, loving commitment to the one God of Israel over against idolatry. According to Paul, the person who “loves God” (1 Cor 8.3) knows that “there is no God but one” (1 Cor 8. 4). We can see that from the language being utilized, Paul here is alluding to the Jewish confession of monotheism, “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.”
Paul picks up on this very point in v. 6, “to us there is but one God, the Father from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” But it is here at v. 6 that Unitarians argue for some kind of ontological distinction between the “one God” (v. 6a), and the “one Lord” (v. 6b), but the nature of that distinction is of some debate between sectarian groups. On one end of the spectrum, the Witnesses argue that though pagans had “many gods and many lords” (v. 5), lords were considered secondary deities in relationship to the gods, and so Paul is borrowing from that idea in his comparison of Christ the “one Lord,” and the Father who is the “one God.” On the other, Socinians argue that v. 5 distinguishes “gods” as heavenly figures from “lords,” who are their earthly representatives, and that v. 6 likewise distinguishes between the Father as God in contrast to Christ, who is His representative Lord.
It seems particularly odd that the Witnesses would even attempt to argue that “lords” are deities second to the “gods,” particularly in light of their position of Christ as “a god.” Likewise, it also seems awkward that the Socinian would argue for a distinction of “gods” as heavenly figures, and “lords” as their earthly representatives, especially in light of the Unitarian proposition that Jesus did not become “Lord” until his exaltation to the right hand of the Father in heaven. Further, in v. 5 Paul refers to the “gods” as being both in heaven and on earth (“For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth”), which ultimately undermines the Socinian interpretation by showing that Paul was not distinguishing between “gods” in heaven, and “lords” on earth.
Neither of these arguments really seem to consider, and for obvious reasons, that Kύριος (“Lord”) is the divine title emphasized in the Shema, “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” And in light of the overall context, Paul gives us the Christian self-understanding of how the monotheism of the Jewish Scriptures is to be interpreted in light of the incarnation of Jesus the Messiah, the “one Lord.” Some of the key terms found in the Shema is found here at 1 Corinthians 8.6 (θεὸς, κύριος, and εἷς).
In this passage Paul draws upon the monotheistic concept that God alone created the universe. To steal the words of Richard Bauckham (God Crucified: Monotheism & Christology, 38-39), “that God is not only the agent or efficient cause of creation ('from him are all things') and the final cause or goal of all things ('to him are all things'), but also the instrumental cause ('through him are all things') well expresses the typical Jewish monotheistic concern that God used no one else to carry out his work of creation. By Paul's reformulation in 1 Corinthians 8:6, he includes Christ in this exclusively divine work of creation by giving to him the role of instrumental cause,” and thereby includes Christ in the one divine identity. Moreover, I would tentatively suggest that the fluidity of Paul’s language when it comes to speaking of “the Spirit of God,” “the Spirit of Christ,” or “the Spirit of the Lord” (all of which are used interchangeably of one another, i.e., Rom 8.9-10; Acts 16.1-8; Phil 1.19; Gal 4.6) suggests that the Father and the Son, were regarded by Paul as one pneumatological unit.
Throughout this argument, Paul does not go on to speak about, as one would perhaps expect, the relationship between the Corinthians, and the “one God, the Father” over and against idolatry; but rather, the argument is about the relationship between the Corinthians, and the “one Lord” Jesus over against idolatry (10.19-22). And in a number of occasions throughout this discourse Paul places God, and "the Lord of glory" (1 Cor 2.8) side-by-side, attributing functions to, and describing Christ in such a way that would identify Him as the Lord of the OT.
“We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents” (1 Corinthians 10.9 [c.f. Numbers 21.5-6; Exodus 17.2])
“To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours” (1 Corinthians 1.2 [c.f. Romans 10.13, Joel 2.32])
“And because of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, ‘Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.’” (1 Corinthians 1.30-31 [c.f. Jeremiah 9.23-24])
“’For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2.16 [c.f. Isaiah 40.13])
“To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours” (1 Corinthians 1.2 [c.f. Romans 10.13, Joel 2.32])
“And because of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, ‘Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.’” (1 Corinthians 1.30-31 [c.f. Jeremiah 9.23-24])
“’For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2.16 [c.f. Isaiah 40.13])
Richard Bauckham, Larry Hurtado, N.T. Wright, F. F. Bruce, and Chris Tilling are just a few names in academia who have written at length on Paul's restructuring of the Shema here at 1 Corinthians 8.6.
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But unto the Son He saith. Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Heb. 1:8).
"And we know that the Son of GOD is come, ... Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD,
and eternal life. " (1 John 5:20) .
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall
call His name EMMANUEL, which being Interpreted is,
GOD WITH US". (Matt. 1:23).
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD."
(John 20:28). Note also: Isa. 9:6; Titus 2:13.
In the {NWT} translation, John 1:1 says "The Word (Christ) was a god*." (small g). If this is true then Christ is a FALSE god according to the verses above. No, the actual translation is "The Word was GOD*. " (* large G).
"For in Him (Christ) dwelleth all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily." (Col. 2:9).
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD "ONLY" IS TO BE WORSHIPPED
" I am the Lord thy GOD ... Thou shalt have no other gods before me.. Thou shall
not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD THY GOD
am a jealous GOD." (Exod. 20: 2,3,5).
"....Thou shall worship the LORD thy GOD, and
Him only shalt thou serve." (Matt. 4:10 ).
Note also: Exod. 34:14; Deut. 5:6.
(YET, CHRIST WAS WORSHIPPED).
".. .There came a leper and worshipped him, saying. Lord, if thou wilt,
thou canst make me clean. " (Matt.8:2).
"And...he saith. And let all the angels of God worship him." (Heb. 1:6).
"And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy." (Luke 24:52).
Note also: Matt. 15:25; 28:9; 2:2; 2:11; 14:33 John 5:23.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD ONLY IS TO RECEIVE GLORY:
"I am the LORD: that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another."
(Isa. 42:8).
" ,,, How shall my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
(Isa. 48:11). Note: Jer. 13:16; Matt. 5:16.
(YET, CHRIST WAS GIVEN GLORY).
"My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ the Lord of Glory,
with respect of persons. " (Jas. 2:1).
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To Him be glory both now and for ever Amen." (2 Pet. 3:18).
"Which none of the princes of this world knew for had they known it, they would
not have CRUCIFIED THE LORD OF GLORY." (1Cor. 2:8).
Note also: 1 Pet. 1:21; 5:10-11; John 17:5; Rev. 1:5,6; & 21:23.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE JEWS TEMPTED GOD IN THE WILDERNESS
"Wherefore the people did chide with Moses ... And Moses said unto them,
Why chide ye with me? Wherefore do ye TEMPT THE LORD?" (Exod. 17:2).
(YET, NOTE WHAT PAUL SAID).
"Neither let us TEMPT CHRIST, as some of them also tempted,
and were destroyed of serpents." (1 Cor. 10:9).
"Wherefore (as the HOLY GHOST saith, To day if ye will hear his voice. Harden not your hearts, as in ... the day of temptation IN THE WILDERNESS: where your fathers TEMPTED ME, proved me, and saw my WORKS forty years. " ( Heb. 3:7-9).
[According to the above verses; God was tempted, Christ was tempted, and the Holy Spirit was tempted in the wilderness. This is the Trinity].
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST HIMSELF CLAIMED TO BE GOD.
"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he ... said also
that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." ( John 5:18).
"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them. Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying. For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, MAKEST THYSELF GOD. "
( John 10:30-33).
Note also: John 14:9; 12:44-45; 5:23; 19:7; Mark 14:61-64.
EITHER CHRIST WAS GOD LIKE HE SAID HE WAS, OR A GREAT LIAR.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST WAS PIERCED.
"And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him (Christ) whom they PIERCED." (John 19:37).
(YET, LOOK AT THIS
"In that day shall the LORD DEFEND the inhabitants of Jerusalem ... And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me (that is God), whom they have PIERCED."
(Zech. 12:8,10).
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD PURCHASED US 'WITH HIS' BLOOD.
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28).
(YET, CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS.)
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,
and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us,
and washed us from our sins in his own blood." (Rev 1:5).
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ONLY GOD IS SAVIOUR.
"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me." (Isa 45:21)
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." (Isa 43:11)
"Not purloining, but showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of
God our Saviour in all things." (Titus 2:10)
Note also - Isa. 43:3; Titus 3:4; 1:3; Luke 1:46,47; Isa. 45:15 & 60:16.
(YET, CHRIST IS CALLED SAVIOUR)
(2 Pet 1:1) "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them
that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"
(2 Pet 2:20) "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning."
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ONLY GOD FORGIVES of sin.
"I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake,
and will not remember thy sins." (Isa 43:25)
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." (Isa 1:18)
(YET, CHRIST FORGAVE SINS MANY TIMES.)
"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son,
thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there,
and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies?
who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:5-7)
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he (Christ) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:7-9)
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of his grace;" (Eph 1:7)
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD IS OUR REDEEMER:
"And all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
the mighty One of Jacob." (Isa 49:26)
"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins:
return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isa 44:22)
"I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob."
(Isa 60:16)
Note also - Psa. 19:14; Job 19:25.
(YET, CHRIST IS CALLED OUR REDEEMER. )
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
(Rom 3:24)
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" (Gal 3:13)
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood
he entered in once into the holy place,
having obtained eternal redemption for us." (Heb 9:12)
Note also - I Cor.1:30.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD APPEARED TO ABRAHAM.
"Then said the high priest, Are these things so? And he said, Men, brethren,
and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham,
when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran," (Acts 7:1-2)
(YET, NOTE GEN 18:1-2).
"And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat
in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked,
and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them,
he ran to meet them from the tent door, and
bowed himself toward the ground," (Gen 18:1-2)
Whoa! Stop! Did you see what the above statement said? It said
THREE MEN and one was the LORD GOD.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD.
Unchanging - Mal. 3:6; Heb. 13:8;
All knowing - John 6:64; 16:30; 1:48; 2:17.
All present - Matt. 18:20.
Eternal - Mic. 5:2; Col. 1:17; Isa. 9:6.
Holy - Luke 4:34; Heb. 7:26.
THE BIBLE SAYS - THAT CHRIST HAS THE NAMES OF GOD.
Immanuel - Matt. 1:23; Isa. 7:14.
I AM - Exod. 3:14 (cp) John 8:58.
Almighty -Gen. 17:1; Rev. 1:8.
The Everlasting Father - Isa. 9:6.
The FIRST & the LAST - Isa. 41:4; 44:6; Rev. 2:8; 22:13.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD.
John 1:14; 3:16; Only begotten is "Of one or a similar gene in which all the
characteristics of the person is contained before birth. "
"Of the same kind, species & type"
That is why Jesus could say, "I and my Father are ONE." (John 10:30).
DEAR FRIEND:
THE BIBLE SAYS "THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON
THE NAME OF CHRIST SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom. 10:13.
but realize and use logic of the word and your judgement solely to the word whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved then in like manner when a political refugee seeking refuge must abide by the rules of the country we must also in likeness take full abidance in the kingdom of heaven in full righteousness a fruit for thought i hope this was helpfull
"And we know that the Son of GOD is come, ... Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD,
and eternal life. " (1 John 5:20) .
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall
call His name EMMANUEL, which being Interpreted is,
GOD WITH US". (Matt. 1:23).
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD."
(John 20:28). Note also: Isa. 9:6; Titus 2:13.
In the {NWT} translation, John 1:1 says "The Word (Christ) was a god*." (small g). If this is true then Christ is a FALSE god according to the verses above. No, the actual translation is "The Word was GOD*. " (* large G).
"For in Him (Christ) dwelleth all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily." (Col. 2:9).
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD "ONLY" IS TO BE WORSHIPPED
" I am the Lord thy GOD ... Thou shalt have no other gods before me.. Thou shall
not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD THY GOD
am a jealous GOD." (Exod. 20: 2,3,5).
"....Thou shall worship the LORD thy GOD, and
Him only shalt thou serve." (Matt. 4:10 ).
Note also: Exod. 34:14; Deut. 5:6.
(YET, CHRIST WAS WORSHIPPED).
".. .There came a leper and worshipped him, saying. Lord, if thou wilt,
thou canst make me clean. " (Matt.8:2).
"And...he saith. And let all the angels of God worship him." (Heb. 1:6).
"And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy." (Luke 24:52).
Note also: Matt. 15:25; 28:9; 2:2; 2:11; 14:33 John 5:23.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD ONLY IS TO RECEIVE GLORY:
"I am the LORD: that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another."
(Isa. 42:8).
" ,,, How shall my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another."
(Isa. 48:11). Note: Jer. 13:16; Matt. 5:16.
(YET, CHRIST WAS GIVEN GLORY).
"My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ the Lord of Glory,
with respect of persons. " (Jas. 2:1).
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To Him be glory both now and for ever Amen." (2 Pet. 3:18).
"Which none of the princes of this world knew for had they known it, they would
not have CRUCIFIED THE LORD OF GLORY." (1Cor. 2:8).
Note also: 1 Pet. 1:21; 5:10-11; John 17:5; Rev. 1:5,6; & 21:23.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE JEWS TEMPTED GOD IN THE WILDERNESS
"Wherefore the people did chide with Moses ... And Moses said unto them,
Why chide ye with me? Wherefore do ye TEMPT THE LORD?" (Exod. 17:2).
(YET, NOTE WHAT PAUL SAID).
"Neither let us TEMPT CHRIST, as some of them also tempted,
and were destroyed of serpents." (1 Cor. 10:9).
"Wherefore (as the HOLY GHOST saith, To day if ye will hear his voice. Harden not your hearts, as in ... the day of temptation IN THE WILDERNESS: where your fathers TEMPTED ME, proved me, and saw my WORKS forty years. " ( Heb. 3:7-9).
[According to the above verses; God was tempted, Christ was tempted, and the Holy Spirit was tempted in the wilderness. This is the Trinity].
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST HIMSELF CLAIMED TO BE GOD.
"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he ... said also
that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." ( John 5:18).
"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them. Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying. For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, MAKEST THYSELF GOD. "
( John 10:30-33).
Note also: John 14:9; 12:44-45; 5:23; 19:7; Mark 14:61-64.
EITHER CHRIST WAS GOD LIKE HE SAID HE WAS, OR A GREAT LIAR.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST WAS PIERCED.
"And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him (Christ) whom they PIERCED." (John 19:37).
(YET, LOOK AT THIS
"In that day shall the LORD DEFEND the inhabitants of Jerusalem ... And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me (that is God), whom they have PIERCED."
(Zech. 12:8,10).
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD PURCHASED US 'WITH HIS' BLOOD.
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28).
(YET, CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS.)
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,
and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us,
and washed us from our sins in his own blood." (Rev 1:5).
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ONLY GOD IS SAVIOUR.
"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none
beside me." (Isa 45:21)
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." (Isa 43:11)
"Not purloining, but showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of
God our Saviour in all things." (Titus 2:10)
Note also - Isa. 43:3; Titus 3:4; 1:3; Luke 1:46,47; Isa. 45:15 & 60:16.
(YET, CHRIST IS CALLED SAVIOUR)
(2 Pet 1:1) "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them
that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"
(2 Pet 2:20) "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning."
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ONLY GOD FORGIVES of sin.
"I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake,
and will not remember thy sins." (Isa 43:25)
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." (Isa 1:18)
(YET, CHRIST FORGAVE SINS MANY TIMES.)
"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son,
thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there,
and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies?
who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:5-7)
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he (Christ) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:7-9)
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of his grace;" (Eph 1:7)
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD IS OUR REDEEMER:
"And all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
the mighty One of Jacob." (Isa 49:26)
"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins:
return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isa 44:22)
"I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob."
(Isa 60:16)
Note also - Psa. 19:14; Job 19:25.
(YET, CHRIST IS CALLED OUR REDEEMER. )
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
(Rom 3:24)
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" (Gal 3:13)
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood
he entered in once into the holy place,
having obtained eternal redemption for us." (Heb 9:12)
Note also - I Cor.1:30.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD APPEARED TO ABRAHAM.
"Then said the high priest, Are these things so? And he said, Men, brethren,
and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham,
when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran," (Acts 7:1-2)
(YET, NOTE GEN 18:1-2).
"And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat
in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked,
and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them,
he ran to meet them from the tent door, and
bowed himself toward the ground," (Gen 18:1-2)
Whoa! Stop! Did you see what the above statement said? It said
THREE MEN and one was the LORD GOD.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD.
Unchanging - Mal. 3:6; Heb. 13:8;
All knowing - John 6:64; 16:30; 1:48; 2:17.
All present - Matt. 18:20.
Eternal - Mic. 5:2; Col. 1:17; Isa. 9:6.
Holy - Luke 4:34; Heb. 7:26.
THE BIBLE SAYS - THAT CHRIST HAS THE NAMES OF GOD.
Immanuel - Matt. 1:23; Isa. 7:14.
I AM - Exod. 3:14 (cp) John 8:58.
Almighty -Gen. 17:1; Rev. 1:8.
The Everlasting Father - Isa. 9:6.
The FIRST & the LAST - Isa. 41:4; 44:6; Rev. 2:8; 22:13.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD.
John 1:14; 3:16; Only begotten is "Of one or a similar gene in which all the
characteristics of the person is contained before birth. "
"Of the same kind, species & type"
That is why Jesus could say, "I and my Father are ONE." (John 10:30).
DEAR FRIEND:
THE BIBLE SAYS "THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON
THE NAME OF CHRIST SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom. 10:13.
but realize and use logic of the word and your judgement solely to the word whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved then in like manner when a political refugee seeking refuge must abide by the rules of the country we must also in likeness take full abidance in the kingdom of heaven in full righteousness a fruit for thought i hope this was helpfull
also remember jesus was the first and only begotten not created jesus said in john chapter Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
and in john 17 Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. here jesus is claiming his authority and full knowledge jesus is not the father but within the father making him the same God now Jesus Christ is in full alignment with God the father and now we have the Comforter the Holy Spirit on earth to guide us hand in hand with the word for this is why it was said of jesus in Him is the full Godhead The Holy spirit is the Spirit that procedeed from the father this is the Spirit of truth as also is a part from the Father for the Father is a Spirit and should be worshiped in spirit and truth then we should not strife in confusion over these matters but study to show thyself aproved and accept correction in accordance to the word and remember this that jesus said of every sin that could be forgiven the only sin unforgivable in this world or the next is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost , THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE JEWS TEMPTED GOD IN THE WILDERNESS
"Wherefore the people did chide with Moses ... And Moses said unto them,
Why chide ye with me? Wherefore do ye TEMPT THE LORD?" (Exod. 17:2).
(YET, NOTE WHAT PAUL SAID).
"Neither let us TEMPT CHRIST, as some of them also tempted,
and were destroyed of serpents." (1 Cor. 10:9).
"Wherefore (as the HOLY GHOST saith, To day if ye will hear his voice. Harden not your hearts, as in ... the day of temptation IN THE WILDERNESS: where your fathers TEMPTED ME, proved me, and saw my WORKS forty years. " ( Heb. 3:7-9).
[According to the above verses; God was tempted, Christ was tempted, and the Holy Spirit was tempted in the wilderness. this proved that the godhead in one is evident but in no where is it called the trinity just one God and no other the Father YAHWEH MEANING "LORD" ANT HE NAME OF JESUS IN ITS FORM IS YESHUAH , YE TAKEN FROM THE YA MEANING LORD AND SHUA MEANING SALVATION , HIS NAME MEANING LORD OF SALVATION , AND ALSO REFERED TO AS LORD OF GLORY I HOPED THIS HELPED YOU ALL AND ILL LEAVE YOU WITH PROVERBS PEACE BE WITH YOU IN JESUS NAME AMEN .Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Pro 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
Pro 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Pro 8:6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
Pro 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
Pro 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Pro 8:9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
and in john 17 Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. here jesus is claiming his authority and full knowledge jesus is not the father but within the father making him the same God now Jesus Christ is in full alignment with God the father and now we have the Comforter the Holy Spirit on earth to guide us hand in hand with the word for this is why it was said of jesus in Him is the full Godhead The Holy spirit is the Spirit that procedeed from the father this is the Spirit of truth as also is a part from the Father for the Father is a Spirit and should be worshiped in spirit and truth then we should not strife in confusion over these matters but study to show thyself aproved and accept correction in accordance to the word and remember this that jesus said of every sin that could be forgiven the only sin unforgivable in this world or the next is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost , THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE JEWS TEMPTED GOD IN THE WILDERNESS
"Wherefore the people did chide with Moses ... And Moses said unto them,
Why chide ye with me? Wherefore do ye TEMPT THE LORD?" (Exod. 17:2).
(YET, NOTE WHAT PAUL SAID).
"Neither let us TEMPT CHRIST, as some of them also tempted,
and were destroyed of serpents." (1 Cor. 10:9).
"Wherefore (as the HOLY GHOST saith, To day if ye will hear his voice. Harden not your hearts, as in ... the day of temptation IN THE WILDERNESS: where your fathers TEMPTED ME, proved me, and saw my WORKS forty years. " ( Heb. 3:7-9).
[According to the above verses; God was tempted, Christ was tempted, and the Holy Spirit was tempted in the wilderness. this proved that the godhead in one is evident but in no where is it called the trinity just one God and no other the Father YAHWEH MEANING "LORD" ANT HE NAME OF JESUS IN ITS FORM IS YESHUAH , YE TAKEN FROM THE YA MEANING LORD AND SHUA MEANING SALVATION , HIS NAME MEANING LORD OF SALVATION , AND ALSO REFERED TO AS LORD OF GLORY I HOPED THIS HELPED YOU ALL AND ILL LEAVE YOU WITH PROVERBS PEACE BE WITH YOU IN JESUS NAME AMEN .Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Pro 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
Pro 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Pro 8:6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
Pro 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
Pro 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Pro 8:9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.