Do Christians who commit suicide go to Heaven?

Originally Posted by carpetmanswife

i dunno .. for it is appointed to man once to die and after this the judgement...God knowin our hearts ,someone who commited suicide rashly .. whos to say God wont hear a person out then*shrugs* not reccomendin it not at all..just thinkin it thru is all..

yep judgement is coming not already taking place i think...

if your truly a christian you will try to follow the ten commandments....and one of them is "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" God gave us life, why in the world would we insult him with our actions saying, "Lord you didn't know what you were doing when you put me here, so i am just going to fix it. my problems are too big for me then they are too big for you...i don't think you can take care of me so i am just going to end it." sounds crazy right. that's what we would be telling God by taking the gift of life he gave us and destroying it. as christians we were put here in the world to go out and find disciples of nations....quitting is not an option; we have a responsibity. and by asking this question,...i think you already knew the answer.

Originally Posted by bethy

if your truly a christian you will try to follow the ten commandments....and one of them is "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" God gave us life, why in the world would we insult him with our actions saying, "Lord you didn't know what you were doing when you put me here, so i am just going to fix it. my problems are too big for me then they are too big for you...i don't think you can take care of me so i am just going to end it." sounds crazy right. that's what we would be telling God by taking the gift of life he gave us and destroying it. as christians we were put here in the world to go out and find disciples of nations....quitting is not an option; we have a responsibity. and by asking this question,...i think you already knew the answer.

You know I usually dont get into the what ifs, but this is not so open and shut as Thou Shalt Not Kill. First, I have met many people with mental illness who are watched 24 hours a day when they are at there worst and if given the chance, yes I do believe they would hurt themselves or even take their own life. Earlier in life these some of these I am sure where devout christians a follower of christ. I am not going to pretend to know what God would do. Yet, if someone dies from cancer or heart attack or etc.. No one would question his or her eternity if he was a christian. I guess it depends on if you believe that the mind can or cannot not get sick? If you dont believe in mental illness take a trip to a couple of nursing homes or shelters and see how many people you can count. Now I am not saying that all who commit suicide have mental illness some are just being selfish. But for those who have been followers of christ and attracted a mental illness, who am I to judge that brother or sister!

Originally Posted by bethy

if your truly a christian you will try to follow the ten commandments....and one of them is "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" God gave us life, why in the world would we insult him with our actions saying, "Lord you didn't know what you were doing when you put me here, so i am just going to fix it. my problems are too big for me then they are too big for you...i don't think you can take care of me so i am just going to end it." sounds crazy right. that's what we would be telling God by taking the gift of life he gave us and destroying it. as christians we were put here in the world to go out and find disciples of nations....quitting is not an option; we have a responsibity. and by asking this question,...i think you already knew the answer.

I agree. But like I said, a GENUINE christian, who has God in their lives, who worships Him, who follows him...and then all of a sudden, commits suicide...is God going to leave them just because of one choice. I mean, yes, it's a commandment and yes, they broke that commandment. But just because they broke a commandment doesn't mean God's just going to forsake you and the relationship that He's had with that person. I mean, seriously. How many commandments have you broken? We ALL have broken the 10 commandments, so is God just going to be like, "Well, since you broke this. You are going to go to hell." No. And like I also said, I DID try to commit suicide...but I absolutely loved God. I made an irrational choice, yes, but God wouldn't have left me because I broke a commandment (obviously the one "thou shalt not kill")...that is just my opinion

WHAT about folk who r saved but r clinically severly depreessed. Say thyev just gotton saved and they kill themselves ??? arent we judging mentally sick folk a bit too much rather than understanding them? spinning i agree with u. Some fok have chemical imbalances in thyre brains cus of trauma etc. Rape or trauma and severe abuse can cause chemical imbalances mentally to cause suicides

"Let them ask why they would abandon God because of hardship? We are sent with a mission and it's not over until God Himself calls us home. It's not over when we decide we don't want to live anymore, because (supposedly) God has placed upon us more than we can bear. This is a direct contradiction to His Promise. He is our Strength, not our burden. If we have a burden we cannot bear, it's because we have not laid that burden down at the feet of Christ. And to be sure, how can one carrying his own burden, get into the Kingdom of Heaven?"

[Raeshelle]

I think taking your own life is wrong. FOr one the Bible clearly tells us the murder is a sin.. If you sin you do need to ask forgiveness. Also he that known to do good and does it not to him it is a sin.. How can you ask forgiveness once you die? I mean if you can ask forgiveness after death what is the reason of us brothering now.

[Piano_hero]

It depends on why the person suicides . Nobody will go to hell for suicide, but if the underlying issue was one that made them unsaved, then they will not enter the kingdom. Samson suicided but it was with the motive to protect Israel by defeating its enemies and thus he died saved . But if someone that is unsaved commits suicide, then they die unsaved . In the Bible people also committed suicide when defeated in battle , and it was to prevent them from dying at the hand of the enemy. when you kill yourself, you cannot be punished for it since the purpsoe of punishing someone for murder is for the sake and justice of the victim,so it wouldnt make sense to punish you as venganve for what you did to yourself. its like if i slap someone and they say "he gets to slap you back for slapping him" , now if i slap myself , it wouldnt make sense to say "you slapped yourself so to be fair you must get slapped " . With all this said and done, if you know someone that is contemplating suicide , you msut seek help for them because odds are he wasnt recently defeated in battle against teh philistines , so most likely the reason is due to some phycological problem .

First of all, you cannot compare to the slightest degree the issue of suicide today, and the events that occured in the Old Testament concerning Samson and his death. Samson was not depressed, he did not reject God or rely upon his own efforts to survive, he did not hate life, and he did not seek to resist the will of God. Samson, like Jesus, "laid his life down for his friends," that is, the nation of Israel which he ruled over as a judge. His actions, which led to his own death, were justified, they were the result of prayer and faith in God, and they were done in the best interest of God's people, and for the vengeance of God's wicked enemies. This cannot be said of and likened to the cases of suicide today. People commit suicide today, because of spiritual, emotional, mental, societal, etc, unrest and discomfort; they kill themselves because they are depressed, and hate their lives; they no longer seek God, nor do they trust in His salvation, but instead they take matters into their own hands and live according to their own wills. Murder is not unforgivable of course, as David committed murder and was forgiven; and Paul, before converting to Christianity, consented to the death of many Christians. However, the act of killing yourself is not the issue. The issue is that continuous, unrepentant lifestyle of rejection of God, which leads the person to kill themselves. An unrepentant lifestyle is unforgivable. For Jesus declared "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish," (Luke 13:3). And Hebrews 10:26-27 declares "if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation..."

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by dane_g87

First of all, you cannot compare to the slightest degree the issue of suicide today, and the events that occured in the Old Testament concerning Samson and his death. Samson was not depressed, he did not reject God or rely upon his own efforts to survive, he did not hate life, and he did not seek to resist the will of God. Samson, like Jesus, "laid his life down for his friends," that is, the nation of Israel which he ruled over as a judge. His actions, which led to his own death, were justified, they were the result of prayer and faith in God, and they were done in the best interest of God's people, and for the vengeance of God's wicked enemies. This cannot be said of and likened to the cases of suicide today. People commit suicide today, because of spiritual, emotional, mental, societal, etc, unrest and discomfort; they kill themselves because they are depressed, and hate their lives; they no longer seek God, nor do they trust in His salvation, but instead they take matters into their own hands and live according to their own wills. Murder is not unforgivable of course, as David committed murder and was forgiven; and Paul, before converting to Christianity, consented to the death of many Christians. However, the act of killing yourself is not the issue. The issue is that continuous, unrepentant lifestyle of rejection of God, which leads the person to kill themselves. An unrepentant lifestyle is unforgivable. For Jesus declared "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish," (Luke 13:3). And Hebrews 10:26-27 declares "if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation..."

so we agree that suicide isnt innately a sin, but the circumstance will determine whether the person is saved or unsaved after dying by his own choice . hating life and being depressed arent sins either . and are you saying that if someone sins willfully (there is no other way of sinning) then they cant be forgiven? far be it

[pickles]

I just wanted to share my own story. In our state it has reciently been made legal to assist suicide. My heart broke for those who would choose this. I have had to live with severe to crippling pain for over twenty years now. There was a time years ago that I could understand why some would consider this option. I praise Jesus that he is in my life as I would not consider it early on. What hurts my heart is that those that choose this will lose the gift that Jesus has for them if they stay faithfull and give over their difficulty.Jesus taught me how his love is stronger than any pain. I still live with pain but my spirit is stronger than any pain. I now do more than any would think because his streangth is stronger than my body. To take ones life is to deny Gods glory and wonderful gifts he has for you. Now a second point, you all have offered much scripture but I had to face this in the most difficult way. My child was born with a genetic problem that afflicts their life. In their teens after being abandoned and crually treated by peers my child attempted suicide 3 times. I praise God every day that they were unsucsessful but if it had been I believe Jesus would have accepted my child with open arms. My child now understands what a sin it would have been but in the sickness and sorrow my child faced they could see nothing else. If one makes this choice knowing what they do I believe it would be a grave sin, but I also know that God said judgement is mine alone. I also know that Jesus said he would rather compassion and mercy. This is Gods judgement not ours but as christians we should always choose to not sin. This I place in Jesus's hands in faith. We all sin and one could consider many ways in which we could die due to sin that Jesus would forgive. But by no means should any do this thinking all would be forgiven. By the grace of Jesus we all have salvation. God bless, pickles

Originally Posted by Piano_hero

so we agree that suicide isnt innately a sin, but the circumstance will determine whether the person is saved or unsaved after dying by his own choice . hating life and being depressed arent sins either . and are you saying that if someone sins willfully (there is no other way of sinning) then they cant be forgiven? far be it

Piano, we do not agree whatsoever, and stop twisting my words, putting new ones in my mouth, and just be patient and actually listen to what is being said. Suicide is indeed a sin, a violation of the spirit and letter of the sixth commandment. It is the rebellious life against God, which causes a person to hate their life and become depressed, is what is sinful. I am not saying anything about sinning willfully. I was quoting a Scripture, Hebrews 10:26-27 which states that those who continue to sin willfully will not be forgiven, but will receive judgment and indignation.

WHOAAA Heavy!... What a heavy, heavy topic, that must just rip at the heart strings of those who have lost a loved one this way and are looking for hope that they will someday see their loved ones again.. I believe this is what's at the heart of such a debate and question... I believe personally and it's only my opinion...it's a deadly sin, but I also believe God is the final judge! Many will have many different views on this... but my view and having had suiside touch my life as a teen and I'm now 42. I struggle with this question alot because truth be told I have battled chronic pain to the point of thinking it myself...I got to the point of wanting to take my own life, but deep inside I knew or thought I would never see the eyes of God... BUT God is the 'final Judge' and he will determine the outcome I think. I may tick, many off with this reply cause I know many Chritians who think..NOPE! Straight to hell you go! Sorry, It's just what I think. I just don't know, maybe I need some direction on this subject myself?

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by dane_g87

Piano, we do not agree whatsoever, and stop twisting my words, putting new ones in my mouth, and just be patient and actually listen to what is being said. Suicide is indeed a sin, a violation of the spirit and letter of the sixth commandment. It is the rebellious life against God, which causes a person to hate their life and become depressed, is what is sinful. I am not saying anything about sinning willfully. I was quoting a Scripture, Hebrews 10:26-27 which states that those who continue to sin willfully will not be forgiven, but will receive judgment and indignation.

but you stated that when Samson suicided , it wasnt sinful because the situation wasnt the same as the average one. so you did agree. Also, , so you ARE saying that if a christian sins willfully (there is no other way to sin, BUT willfully) , then there is no forgiveness? you udnerlyned "continue" ,so yeah, as in "AFTER CONVERSION" if they sin again, they are "continuing in their sin", so you are saying taht there is no more forgiveness even if one repents ?

Italiansunset, for the record, my father killed himself when I was 13. Our love for our family or friends who have died from suicide must not exceed our love for God, and cause us to twist and compromise His justice for the sake of the well-being of our loved ones. God is the "final judge" yes, but, friend, do you realize that God will judge the nations with the same Word and Authority that He has spoken and provided for us already in the Scriptures? The same Words in the Book that are recorded will be the judge in the final day.

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Biblical truth is established and will not change. Those who do not repent will perish (Luke 13:3). Those who continue to willfully sin after they receive knowledge of the truth will not be forgiven, but judged (Hebrews 10:26-27). The death of those who commit suicide is a result of a continuous, unrepentant rebellious lifestyle against God, and a lifestyle of rejection of His comfort and hope.

Piano, read my message again. Samson's situation cannot be compared today's situations concerning suicide. Samson "laid his life down for his friends" which Christ declared as the greatest love that exists. When someone jumps in front of a bullet to save their friend's life, according to you, they'd be committing suicide. However, such a case is not suicide, but is a sacrifice, as is the case with Samson and Jesus Christ. Jesus willfully laid His life down, just as Samson willfully gave his life for the benefit of his beloved nation.

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by dane_g87

Italiansunset, for the record, my father killed himself when I was 13. Our love for our family or friends who have died from suicide must not exceed our love for God, and cause us to twist and compromise His justice for the sake of the well-being of our loved ones. God is the "final judge" yes, but, friend, do you realize that God will judge the nations with the same Word and Authority that He has spoken and provided for us already in the Scriptures? The same Words in the Book that are recorded will be the judge in the final day.

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Biblical truth is established and will not change. Those who do not repent will perish (Luke 13:3). Those who continue to willfully sin after they receive knowledge of the truth will not be forgiven, but judged (Hebrews 10:26-27). The death of those who commit suicide is a result of a continuous, unrepentant rebellious lifestyle against God, and a lifestyle of rejection of His comfort and hope.

Piano, read my message again. Samson's situation cannot be compared today's situations concerning suicide. Samson "laid his life down for his friends" which Christ declared as the greatest love that exists. When someone jumps in front of a bullet to save their friend's life, according to you, they'd be committing suicide. However, such a case is not suicide, but is a sacrifice, as is the case with Samson and Jesus Christ. Jesus willfully laid His life down, just as Samson willfully gave his life for the benefit of his beloved nation.

samson didnt pray for the will of God to be done like Jesus did (jesus didnt want to die) , but he prayed "let my soul die with the phlistines" . and died by his own action and his own desire to die. Samson WANTED to die . its textbook suicide although we agree that its a different situation than the common one. Keep in mind that suicide always existed, yet teh Bible never says its a sin . It mentions other things that are more rare as being sin so there is no excuse to not say it is a sin if it was . Most poepel have no problem teachign whatever they beleive as word of God even if the Word never says it. i however dont teach thigns that are not the Word of God as the Word of God . you probably also think that Davis sinned in having many wives because you live in a culture where it is unacceptable

Piano, you are seriously a lost cause. I'm done with you

Jesus indeed desired to lay His life down:

(John 10:14-15) I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Though Jesus was grieved in His humanity for His upcoming scourging and death, He desired and planned to be slain for His followers even before the world began (Revelation 13:8)

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by dane_g87

Piano, you are seriously a lost cause. I'm done with you

smart move. being done with me is the smartest thing youve said . cheers

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by dane_g87

Jesus indeed desired to lay His life down:

(John 10:14-15) I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Though Jesus was grieved in His humanity for His upcoming scourging and death, He desired and planned to be slain for His followers even before the world began (Revelation 13:8)

grieved in his humanity ? so HE wasnt grieved, just his humanity ? Jesus didnt want to die when it came down to it but did the will of his Father . He let his Fathers will be done and not his