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    Default Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    According to Joel Osteen – Pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, these first century apostles are wrong and outdated and he has come out boldly to infer indirectly that Apostles Paul, Peter, and John whom wrote much of the New Testament were wrong and need to be corrected and rebuked.
    When asked directly if people whom are openly practicing homosexuals are accepted into the Kingdom, Joel Osteen responded with “Absolutely, anybody is.”
    We all need to listen carefully to the words that this “man of God” speaks as he goes on interviews so we too can find the errors in the preaching of the first century apostles.
    Joel does acknowledge that some things are “sin” but says, “I don’t address these things from the pulpit. They only come up in interviews.” When asked if openly practicing gay/homosexual people will be accepted into heaven, Joel Osteen responded, “I believe they will.”
    He makes no mention of the need for repentance.


    Joel Osteen Brings Us Universalism

    The doctrine of universalism is the belief that all people are “saved” no matter who you are or what you’ve done.
    This is a new version of the “good news” that is MUCH BETTER than the message the Jesus and the Apostles preached 2,ooo years ago which was far too narrow according to the way Joel Osteen explains his “message.”
    “I’m for everybody” says Joel Osteen, “I’m not into excluding people. Jesus can reveal himself to anybody.”
    The idea is that since no one would be accepted if we are called to be “holy” then all have to be accepted. So goes this logic. This doctrine also believes that all roads lead to heaven so there is no one “way, truth, and life that leads to the father.”
    According to Joel, “sin means to miss the mark” which, while technically correct, stands in contrast to the teachings of many writers of the Bible that teach that sin is violation of God’s Holy Laws so if by missing the mark Joel means violating God’s ways, then yes, sin is missing the mark.
    According to the out of date writers of the Bible, the “wages of sin is death” for which blood is required and for which a sacrifice was presented.
    It sounds a lot more harsh to say SIN is TREASON punishable by death than to say it is “missing the mark” which is a bit incomplete. Sin is also “to incur guilt, incur penalty” which according to the scripture is death.
    Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
    When asked about people who live in open sin, Joel smilingly said, “I’m not going to bash those people. I’m not going to be against those people. They’re good people.”
    So by contrast, Apostle Jude is “bashing people” when he said:
    Jude 1:14-16 “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers,walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.”
    Joel’s wife recently said to Piers Morgan. “It’s the people that we’re after. We’re not trying to judge their sin. We want to encourage them and love them. You’re only going to win people by reaching out to them.”
    Isn’t that so awesome! They are all about the people! They want you and I be accepted without having to discuss anything like repentance or righteousness. These are “judgmental” subjects that we just don’t need.
    These modern day ministry giants have gone on national television to essentially correctApostles Peter, John, and Paul to say … they are wrong … if you listen to Joel Osteen. So many across the nation are so proud of this Pastor and his courage in confronting the church fathers!
    According to Joel Osteen, Apostle Paul erroneously stated to the Corinthians …
    1 Corinthians 6:8-10 “Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
    In saying this, according to Joel Osteen, Apostle Paul is being “exclusionary” and should be rebuked and corrected. He is obviously wrong and should never have said these things to the Corinthian church.
    Corinth was known for its sexual openness and promiscuity so for Paul to “condemn” all these “good people” was completely out of order and he needs to be rebuked.
    When Paul wrote to the Romans he also was in complete error in stating the following in the first chapter of his letter, according to Joel Osteen.
    “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
    According to Joel Osteen, Paul was absolutely incorrect and to state that being a homosexual is a sin is being “judgmental” and should not be tolerated. It is just wrong according to Joel Osteen. Many people agree with Joel Osteen today and so, Apostle Paul is apparently misguided and incorrect in his letter.
    Joel goes on to point out the additional errors in the words Apostle Paul wrote.
    “Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Paul went on to write in the first chapter of Romans, which according to the words of Joel Osteen, he is deeply misguided and mistaken.
    Apostle Paul should repent for saying such things according to Joel Osteen. A growing number of people in America agree with Joel that Apostle Paul should be rebuked for ever saying such things because Paul isn’t accepting of people like Joel Osteen is.
    Equally misguided and incorrect according to Joel Osteen is Paul’s words to the Galatian church. In his writings, Apostle Paul made stunning comments that were clearly exclusionary statements concerning the Kingdom and those whom are accepted, and in so doing has made grave error according to Joel Osteen.
    See if you can detect the absolutely false statements that Apostle Paul made to the Galatian church according to the stated doctrine of Joel Osteen.
    Galatians 5:19-21 “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    You can clearly see what has Joel Osteen so unhappy that he’s gone on national television to correct this! It is this type of rhetoric, according to Joel Osteen, that is completely false and misrepresents the God he serves.
    Joel Osteen’s God loves everybody and there are no exclusions because then, according to Joel, “none of us would be saved.” So again, Apostle Paul was completely incorrect and should never have written such harsh and insensitive words to the Galatian church according to Joel.
    I imagine Joel Osteen would say “shame on Apostle Paul for ever writing such hateful words!”
    Now, not only is Joel out to correct the misguided Apostle Paul, but Apostle Peter was also brought into serious question for clearly being exclusionary when he wrote these words.
    1 Peter 1:14-16 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”
    According to the doctrine Joel Osteen has now shared with us all as “his message,” being clearly more evolved and enlightened than the archaic Apostle Peter, no one can be holy. We are left to conclude that Peter is misguided and is being judgmental. What a terrible yoke and condemnation Apostle Peter is trying to put on the good people he is writing to.
    Additionally, Apostle Peter goes on to say things that are completely against the Lakewood Church Pastor’s God when he stated the following.
    2 Peter 2:6-8 “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
    According to Joel Osteen’s public comments, one could conclude that Apostle Peter was in complete error and deceived when he wrote such things. What a terrible condemnation. He clearly did not know the doctrine that Joel Osteen preaches or he would never have said such awful and critical things.
    Joel Osteen indirectly implies (subtly) that these apostles were false and were critical and judgmental and should NOT be listened to in America today. We all need to listen instead to Joel Osteen and Oprah Winfrey.
    Now Apostle John made even greater errors if the benchmark is Joel Osteen’s “message” when he stated some of the thing that he wrote which, according to Joel Osteen, is just plain and simply not true.
    It takes a lot of courage for Joel to stand against these writings but he believes strongly in his “uplifting and encouraging” doctrine that does not endorse such harsh and judgmental statements as written by these ancient Apostles.
    We should all pray for Joel Osteen because he needs our prayers if he’s going to continue to champion the cause of those oppressed and condemned by the writings and statements of Apostles like Paul, Peter and John.

    Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
    You see, according to Joel Osteen in a recent interview, “God doesn’t see any sin as worse than another” and all are going to heaven. Apparently in Joel Osteen’s bible, he has redacted the unpardonable sin. So if you’re a follower of Joel Osteen’s then this statement by Apostle John must seem just plain wrong.
    Apostle John doesn’t know what he’s talking about and we need to listen to the wisdom of Joel Osteen. Apostle John clearly was in error and should be rebuked for suggesting that people who tell lies are going to have their part in the lake of fire.
    What was Apostle John thinking writing such judgmental things???
    That’s a terrible thing to say and no one, certainly not Apostle John, should be allowed to say such things. As Joel says, “there’s enough condemnation in the world” and we don’t need anymore.
    Additionally, in his letter, Apostle John says things like …
    1 John 3:8-10 “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
    Now according to Joel Osteen and the thousands that agree with his “message,” this entire passage should be removed from the pages of the bible and no one should be saying such things. In fact, Joel goes on to share that it is this exact kind of preaching that will hinder “church growth.”
    Apostles Paul, Peter, and John listen up. Joel Osteen rebukes you all.
    Now listen, Joel Osteen and his ministry in Houston are all about people. He is standing up for your rights! He is taking a REALLY BIG RISK because … if he’s wrong, and Apostle Paul is right … then he stands to be cursed! So he needs your support in prayer NOW!
    Galatians 1:9 “As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
    Instead, you all need to listen to his message of universal acceptance and lawless living without any condemnation so we can all “lift our spirits” and be “encouraging and loving” to all people no matter what lifestyle or choices they make. After all, according to Joel, God loves us all and everyone is going to heaven so lighten up!
    There is no exclusive path to the Kingdom. According to Joel Osteen, we need to hear this message because it’s the right message and anyone that says that there is an exclusive path to God is wrong.
    Joel would know, look at the size of his church! He is clearly telling you the truth more than anyone in history.
    John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
    Exactly how much error is too much?

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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Joel Osteen is a false teacher.

    First he would not say Yahshua (known as Jesus) is not the only way.

    Second have you ever heard him, it's rediculous, its like a self-esteem seminar or something.
    Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"

    Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
    Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."


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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Joel Osteen is a false teacher.

    First he would not say Yahshua (known as Jesus) is not the only way.

    Second have you ever heard him, it's rediculous, its like a self-esteem seminar or something.
    Yes i Know joel is a false teacher i have heard things about him also my teacher has went into some of the things that he does i dont even watch him but i seen this posted by one of my friends and had to show people the truth cause i know that there are people who do watch and follow him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Joel Osteen is a false teacher.

    First he would not say Yahshua (known as Jesus) is not the only way.

    Second have you ever heard him, it's rediculous, its like a self-esteem seminar or something.
    I MEANT IS THE ONLY WAY

    He would not say Yahshua IS THE ONLY WAY
    Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"

    Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
    Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofElijah View Post
    Yes i Know joel is a false teacher i have heard things about him also my teacher has went into some of the things that he does i dont even watch him but i seen this posted by one of my friends and had to show people the truth cause i know that there are people who do watch and follow him
    Praise YAHWEH!

    EP 5:11, "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."
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    Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"

    Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
    Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."


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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Is there a broader context for his remarks that you can post?
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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    have you ever heard him, it's rediculous, its like a self-esteem seminar or something.
    That's all he is and that's all he does. He just adds Jesus to it somehow.
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    Joel is a false prophet. do not follow his lead. he went on national TV and said you dont have to believe in Jesus to get to heaven. he sold his soul for fame and riches. hes a spawn of satan.
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    Wow I had never seen such a biblical distortion, I thought that things were bad in Brasil, but this is more than absurd.
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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Joel Osteen is doing the same thing that all false teachers do. He is attempting to divorce the writings of the Paul, Peter, and John from its inspired context. He thinks that by disconnecting any scripture from its revealed context he can minimize or even discredit the message and force of the writer thus rendering the message of that text benign.

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    There are many of sins, but I don't understand why everyone focus on the speck that is in someone else eyes, but ignoring the huge obstacle in their own eyes. Yes, Homosexuality isn't what God had designed his physical creation to behave in that manner,; it was the work of the devil that twisted up all God's creations because he hates anything that God does. It was once considered that if you are born with a physical disability that you are a sinner or your parents, but it is not. Jesus has came to undo what the devil has done, but only to the ones that truly believe that He is the One and that He's able to do all things.

    1 Peter 5:8
    Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

    Luke 8:12
    Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.

    Luke 24:38
    He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds?

    Luke 22:53
    Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour—when darkness reigns.”

    John 3:14
    Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,




    Matthew 9:28
    When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” “Yes, Lord,” they replied.

    Mark 8:25
    Once more Jesus put his hands on the man’s eyes. Then his eyes were opened, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly.

    Matthew 12:13
    Then he said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other.

    Acts 3:21
    Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

    Matthew 8:13
    Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

    Mark 3:4Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

    John 15:25
    But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

    Psalm 69:4
    Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal.

    John 10:10
    The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Joel carries about as much weight as smog...and that is an insult to pollution...or at least equal to pollution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonimous View Post
    Joel carries about as much weight as smog...and that is an insult to pollution...or at least equal to pollution.
    A little insulting to the pollution. Pollution is at least partially made of oxygen.
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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    It's the way and fruit of compromisers.
    We haven't found gold here though...well maybe fools gold.
    If all the deceivers were listed I don't think CC Chat has enough bandwidth to fit them all.
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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    its a seeker sensitive church. Thats why there in a old basketball arena to fit in all the people. Tell them what they want to here and you to will have a mega church.

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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    I have posted this before and I say again joel osteen is a great Christian- based motivational speaker, but a bad pastor.

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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Joel Osteen is a false teacher.

    First he would not say Yahshua (known as Jesus) is not the only way.

    Second have you ever heard him, it's rediculous, its like a self-esteem seminar or something.
    He and Tony Robbins are hard to tell apart.

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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    i dont know who Tony Robbines is

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    Default Re: Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John

    I'm not an Osteen supporter, but where are the references, and as someone said, the context of his remarks? He very well may have said these things, but we need to be careful to not begin attacking the remarks of someone before we can verify they're legit.

    Again, I'm not endorsing him in any way, but I don't want to slander someone.

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    Great replies !!!!

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