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    Default Rapture - Satan's Great Lie

    There is no Rapture of the church PERIOD.

    What the Rapture is NOT:

    Jesus returns twice, once BEFORE the Tribulation whereby He resurrects the Dead in Christ then gathers those believers who are alive and everyone receives immortal bodies. The Lord then transports every believer, previously dead and alive, to heaven where they wait out the Tribulation.


    What the Rapture is:

    Jesus returns once, AFTER the Anti-Christ is revealed, at the tail end of the Tribulation, at the 7th trumpet. Jesus brings angels and the dead in Christ on white horses. Those believers who are still alive and remain on earth are caught up to the Lord whereby they receive immortal bodies. Everyone immediately returns to earth with Christ for the Battle of Armageddon and to reign with Him for 1,000 years. Those alive on earth at the time of Jesus' return do not go to heaven until AFTER the millennium
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    The teaching that the Lord comes before the Anti-Christ is NOT found in the Bible ANYWHERE. There is no passage that places the Lord's return BEFORE the Tribulation. There is no passage which teaches the Lord comes twice. There is no passage that teaches that those believers who are alive and remain go to heaven to wait out the Tribulation. Nowhere can there be found a teaching by Jesus, Paul or any disciple the concept of a Rapture, especially one that precedes the Tribulation.

    To arrive at such a teaching, men must contort and misapply multiple Bible passages that really all refer to the one and only return of Christ. They take those that don't mention the timing as "Rapture" passages while leaving those that do mention the timing as Second Advent passages.

    I firmly believe that this Rapture lie is the work of Satan because for the Anti-Christ to fool people into thinking he is the real Christ, he has to be the first "Christ" to appear. So if Satan can get the Church to teach in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, he can not only discredit the church but also fool the world into thinking he is the real Christ.

    If responding with a view the supports the Rapture, please cite chapter and verse. I don't want to read something a man wrote as proof. Because if it isn't in the Bible, it isn't true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainWord View Post
    There is no Rapture of the church PERIOD.

    Wrong.

    There will be a rapture, a catching away of the Body of Christ.


    The Pre-Tribulation Rapture | Doctrine


    And what David Cloud writes in this article concerning the Rapture is backed up with Scripture.
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    Amen brother chosen, there most certanly will be a catching away (rapture) of the bride of Christ and it certainly is tottally Biblical teaching. Even the new world order believes it.

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    I read the link (already knowing the scripture that was going to be given) and I saw nothing to convince me of a pretrib rapture. In order to believe the article, you have to believe in dispensation. In order to believe dispensation, you must believe that the Children of Israel = "Jew." so on and so forth..lol

    I think pretrib is a harder pill for most to swallow because they truly don't want to have to go through a tribulation. To face death for what you say you believe is a little uneasy.

    What I always find funny is many people use the pre conditions that Jesus spoke of in Matt 24:4-14 for signs of the rapture coming, skip 15-35, and then use 36-44 as the rapture of the church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChosenbyHim View Post

    Wrong.

    There will be a rapture, a catching away of the Body of Christ.


    The Pre-Tribulation Rapture | Doctrine


    And what David Cloud writes in this article concerning the Rapture is backed up with Scripture.
    I already completely destroyed David Cloud's article, using scripture, where you posted in previously. We know, and there is no argument, that the Lord comes at the end of the Tribulation to destroy the Beast's kingdom and set up His own kingdom. That is clear from the Bible. But none of the Scriptures Cloud cites discusses an earlier return of Christ before the Tribulation, none distinguish between two returns of Christ. None show the Church in heaven. All of the scriptures Cloud cites are 2nd Advent scriptures. Again, Man's word means nothing, God's word is everything.

    Not only is the church NOT going to be taken away, it is going to be nearly totally decimated during the Tribulation with most of the church killed in the early stages of the Tribulation. If you are not one of the 144,000 or smart enough to be in Israel when the Beast comes after you or can hide away from him, you have little chance of surviving the Tribulation.

    Rev 6:

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

    11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.


    We see here at the 5th seal martyrs in heaven growing impatient for vengeance but they are told to wait until the rest of martyrs who would be killed is completed.

    Rev 12:17:

    7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

    8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

    9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    12 ....Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath...
    17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 12 flashes back to show the Birth of Christ, then the war in heaven between Michael and Satan. Satan and his angels are cast out having great wrath. Satan makes war with the rest of the saints (those who don't flee from Jerusalem) and he defeats/kills them.

    Rev 7
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    9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

    13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"

    14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;


    We now see the scene in heaven with these saints who the Beast/Satan kills up in heaven BEFORE the Lord opens the 6th Seal. The 6th seal mankind recognizes as "The Wrath of the Lamb" Rev 6:17.

    Mat 24
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    9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.

    21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

    Note Jesus teaches that the days have to be shortened for the elect's sake. The elect are God's chosen people. They are not new Christians who take the faith after a "rapture." Who is going to come to Christ after they've seen the slaughter of millions of Christians? A very small number, to be sure. Paul teaches that there will be a "Falling Away" when the Anti-Christ is revealed, not a revival.

    How anybody can see a secret fly away Rapture of the Church after reading the above scriptures is a real mystery to me. The Rapture is a tradition of man, not a teaching of God.
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    "Note Jesus teaches that the days have to be shortened for the elect's sake. The elect are God's chosen people. They are not new Christians who take the faith after a "rapture." Who is going to come to Christ after they've seen the slaughter of millions of Christians? A very small number, to be sure. Paul teaches that there will be a "Falling Away" when the Anti-Christ is revealed, not a revival."

    I believe the elect are those who have chosen to believe during the tribulation. After the church is "carried away" there will be some who will change their beliefs because of the rapture and of the tribulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieD View Post
    "Note Jesus teaches that the days have to be shortened for the elect's sake. The elect are God's chosen people. They are not new Christians who take the faith after a "rapture." Who is going to come to Christ after they've seen the slaughter of millions of Christians? A very small number, to be sure. Paul teaches that there will be a "Falling Away" when the Anti-Christ is revealed, not a revival."

    I believe the elect are those who have chosen to believe during the tribulation. After the church is "carried away" there will be some who will change their beliefs because of the rapture and of the tribulation.
    Some? We are told a great multitude, WHICH NO ONE CAN NUMBER, of Christians get killed during the tribulation. This isn't some, this is the main body of the church on earth during the Tribulation. Of course there will be some who convert but certainly not a number so big no one can number. That simply would conflict with Paul's teaching in 2 Thes 2:

    3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition...

    I believe Paul is clearly telling us A) Jesus doesn't return until AFTER the Anti-Christ is revealed and B) there will be a major falling away of the church at that time. Why, because many Christians who incorrectly believe in a Rapture and find themselves on earth will believe either that the Anti-Christ is the real Christ (Since they were taught Christ comes first) or that the Bible is false because what they were taught didn't happen. They are not prepared to die for a Christ that didn't come so they accept the Mark of the Beast and eat and live.

    Jesus coming first makes no sense at all. First, there is no support for it in the scriptures and second, it isn't logical to think that if the real Christ came first with every knee bowed and every eye seeing that the world could be fooled by a false Christ just 3.5 years later. Also how can you explain all the warning Christ is giving us of false Christs, Mat 24:

    24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

    25 See, I have told you beforehand.

    26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.


    Why warn us if we are supposedly not going to be here because we have been raptured? Please explain that.

    We have a scene in heaven with a HUGE MULTITUDE of dead believers who came out of the Tribulation, not Raptured before it. We have Paul telling us there will then be a "Falling Away." We have Jesus warning us to not believe in false Christs then telling us that He is coming immediately AFTER the tribulation.

    Yet, those who believe in the Rapture still cannot see this. They prefer to believe a man made invention because it sure sounds better than to believe Jesus and heed his warnings. I'm really trying to help those blinded by Satan's lie to see, so that they can prepare, but I guess the scales are too thick for some. I'll pray for you all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RecceforChrist View Post
    Amen brother chosen, there most certanly will be a catching away (rapture) of the bride of Christ and it certainly is tottally Biblical teaching. Even the new world order believes it.
    Please provide Chapter and Verse of any passage that:

    1. Discusses Jesus returning BEFORE the Tribulation
    2. Discusses two returns of Christ
    3. Makes any distinction to there perhaps being another return
    4. Discusses the Church being taken to heaven


    I always find it incredible that the Bride of Christ which is supposedly made of up all believers has half a bride made up of a church which gets a free pass to heaven and half that has God's chosen people, the Nation of Israel, going through the Tribulation. How arrogant. No wonder the Jews don't trust the "church."

    Zech 13 teaches us:

    9 I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The Lord is my God.' "

    Apparently Israel needs this refinement but the Church will all it's false doctrines, millionaire pastors of mega churches and simple Sunday lessons with no admonishment, no verse by verse teaching of the Bible, just fluff inspirational teaching - don't need this same refinement. GOD will test HIS people ALL of HIS people.

    The writer of Hebrews teaches us the following from Chapter 9:

    27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

    28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

    Note there is no qualifying statement saying, "Except for those who get raptured." Note that it doesn't say, "there will be a 7 year break, then judgment." Note that it doesn't say (Christ) will come a second and third time??? Notice there is no promise to be spared tribulation, just that when Christ comes a second time there will be salvation.

    If Christ came in an early rapture then you would have two periods of salvation and two periods of judgment. This isn't taught. Christ doesn't do the same thing twice. He died once and He will return once.
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    Hi PlainWord; I agree with the majority of what you have posted and certainly stand against ANY pre-tribulation rapture doctrine of man; as the word rapture not only does not exist in the original scriptures; but the word rapture isn't even to be found in the English transliteration of them.

    However, I am not sure by what you mean when you talk of Christ not coming twice? From my studies Christ/Messiah has already been here 2 times, and in reality, has Never left, as Christ/Messiah IS the ONE left in charge to execute Our Father's Will of Salvation in and through Christ/Messiah

    1st; as Melchezidek/ THE Angel/Messenger of The LORD to guide ALL of GOD"S chosen vessels; Adam & Eve, Able, Seth, etc... .Enoch, Noah, Job, Elijah, etc...Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, David etc.....only to leave once as The guide in the Spirit;

    2nd; to be incarnated once, just like the rest of us, into this flesh, to become the One & ONLY guide in this flesh condition to show us the proper way to address Our Father and both Confirm and Affirm Our Father's Words of Truth, being himself The Living Word that had ALREADY been both spoken & recorded before his arrival in this flesh; BY The Father, through Moses and the Prophets.

    3rd; Passing Over this flesh realm; to once again take his proper place as Melchezidek; to return as Melchezidek, Christ/Messiah in his proper spiritual condition, to SEPARATE those who understand Our Father's anger, from those who do not; or to SEPARATE the Godly from the un-godly.

    For Christ/Messiah/Melchezidek DID NOT come to judge the world; But rather to Save it.

    There will be a Separation at his return as Melchezidek, as well as a final Separation AFTER his Day of Reckoning and Teaching in the Spirit; this not only being the final separation, But the actual moment in which the un-godly shall cease to exist; REV: 20 end of VS. 9: Our Father's Final Judgement in and through Christ/Messiah and HIS, Our Father's Lake of Fire; in which He may have already have done; if it wasn't for HIS Holy Spirit and Their Plan of Salvation in and through Christ/Messiah.

    As with ALL the lies of Satan/Death, there is always SOME truth in them; and I guess sorta, kinda, there is a so-called kind of rapture, but to understand it like a rapture the way religions at this time teach it; well all I can say is; one IS missing out on the magnificence promises that Our Father has clearly stated that the firstfruits will receive; with Christ/Messiah/Melchezidek being the primary promise and Gift.


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    The rapture is definitly post tribulation. People who believe pretrib rapture will most likely hate God when the tribulation comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanbchristian View Post
    The rapture is definitly post tribulation. People who believe pretrib rapture will most likely hate God when the tribulation comes.
    I honestly believe that the Great Tribulation will be the pruning of the true church. How many will be weeded out when faced with death?
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    I believe this and am convinced a time of testing will occur for the saints.
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    Why,would Christ speak of difficult times to come, and also telling us not to be afraid of the one who can destroy the flesh,but rather the one who can destroy the soul also.
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    My husband believes in pre-trib rapture the church he attended taught him this concept.He is stuck on keeping this idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainWord View Post
    I already completely destroyed David Cloud's article, using scripture, where you posted in previously. We know, and there is no argument, that the Lord comes at the end of the Tribulation to destroy the Beast's kingdom and set up His own kingdom. That is clear from the Bible. But none of the Scriptures Cloud cites discusses an earlier return of Christ before the Tribulation, none distinguish between two returns of Christ. None show the Church in heaven. All of the scriptures Cloud cites are 2nd Advent scriptures. Again, Man's word means nothing, God's word is everything.

    Not only is the church NOT going to be taken away, it is going to be nearly totally decimated during the Tribulation with most of the church killed in the early stages of the Tribulation. If you are not one of the 144,000 or smart enough to be in Israel when the Beast comes after you or can hide away from him, you have little chance of surviving the Tribulation.

    No you did not sir. David Cloud showed correctly from the Scriptures why true Born again Christians will not go through the time of Jacob's trouble.


    The time of Jacob's trouble is when God will be pouring out His wrath upon the whole earth. The word "wrath" appears 13 times in the book of Revelation in the King James Bible.


    We as Christians are not appointed to God's wrath. Now Christians down through the centuries have went through man's wrath and persecution. And there are Christians today who are going through persecution. But the time of Jacob's trouble is not man's wrath on the earth. The time of Jacob's trouble is God's wrath upon the earth.


    So stop adding in your private interpretation Plain. Simply rightly divide the Scriptures.



    An no what is being restrained is the man of sin, the son of perdition, which is the anti-christ. Read the Scripture in context:


    2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. - 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 (KJV)


    From reading that passage in the context we see that the him that is being referred to is the antichrist. How do we know that it is not Satan? Simple, because verse 9 says:"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan."


    Hence it is the beast's coming that is after the working of Satan. So keep things in context Plain.

    And the he who now letteth is the Body of Christ. Once the body of Christ is removed from off the earth, then the son of perdition (the beast) will be revealed.


    Also regarding the 144,000. The 144,000 are sealed Jews. They are not Gentiles:


    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
    5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
    6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
    7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
    8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. - Revelation 7:3-8 (KJV)


    Plain, the church will be removed from off the earth before the time of Jacob's trouble. In the book of Revelation; the very last time the word "church" appears is in Revelation 3:14. And notice what Revelation 4 reads in the very first verse:4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. - Revelation 4:1 (KJV)


    And here is a good video on the subject of the Rapture to watch, it will help those who are still unsure about the Biblical Doctrine of the Pre-Trib. Rapture:


    Where Is The Rapture Taught In The Bible? (eleventhhournews.com)


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    Nothing in that 14 minutes of video provided evidence of a pretrib rapture. I mean, why in the world did he attempt to tie John 14 with Matthew 24? The funny thing about that is, if we line the Gospels up side by side in chronological order, Matthew 24 comes before John 14. Got to be careful with those trying to contort scripture.


    Did he "dispensationalize" the 7 Churches of Revelation? :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jahsoul View Post
    Nothing in that 14 minutes of video provided evidence of a pretrib rapture. I mean, why in the world did he attempt to tie John 14 with Matthew 24? The funny thing about that is, if we line the Gospels up side by side in chronological order, Matthew 24 comes before John 14. Got to be careful with those trying to contort scripture.


    Did he "dispensationalize" the 7 Churches of Revelation? :-/

    There is plenty of evidence for a pre-trib. Rapture.


    If you are not dispensational, well then that may be the main reason you are not able to understand the Biblical Doctrine of the Pre-Trib. Rapture. You have to obey the command given in 2 Timothy 2:15:


    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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    I saw Plain word said nowhere in the bible does it say God will save his chosen elect before the tribulation, well you just weren't looking hard enough:
    Revelations 3:10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. even posted it in the king james version for you guys:]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChosenbyHim View Post
    There is plenty of evidence for a pre-trib. Rapture.


    If you are not dispensational, well then that may be the main reason you are not able to understand the Biblical Doctrine of the Pre-Trib. Rapture. You have to obey the command given in 2 Timothy 2:15:


    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    The good ole Darby point reference for dispensation.


    "rightly dividing" - orthotomoúnta - orthotomeo:
    to cut straight, to cut straight ways
    to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
    to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly


    All I ever ask people is what Jesus said about pretrib rapture? Most of the time, they quote the end of Matt 24 but conveniently skip the part about the Great Tribulation.

    Also, if there is so much scripture to back it up, why do we get the same inconclusive scripture for it? How many times have people used "in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye" without understanding that this is describing how we are going to be taken up and not when, if that makes since. I mean, look at the video again. The dude said that John getting taken up in the spirit is a representation of the rapture and everything after Revelation 4 is tribulation. You usually reach like that when you don't really have concrete scripture to back up claims.
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    The Key Pre-Tribulational Passage

    The most important single passage dealing with the timing of the Rapture is Revelation 3:10, "Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from [out of] the hour of temptation [testing, trial], which shall come upon all the world, to try [test] them that dwell upon the earth."

    The promise is made specifically to the first century church of Philadelphia in Asia, but students of prophecy recognize that this verse was given for Church Age believers of any age as an encouragement to remain loyal to the Lord in the midst of difficult times. Indeed, the first century believers that made up the assembly in Philadelphia never lived to see the time of trouble that this verse describes. "The hour of testing" spoken of by the Lord would not be fulfilled for some two thousand years, and yet the Lord was true to His promise to the Philadelphian believers even as He is true to this same promise with respect to Church Age believers living today.

    There is coming a day when the entire world will be on trial. God will be the awesome Judge and all those who dwell on the earth will endure this time of terrible testing. Isaiah describes it as "a consumption [decisive destruction], even determined upon the whole earth" (Isaiah 28:22). It will be a time of great testing for Israel, described by Jeremiah as "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jeremiah 30:6-7). The Lord Jesus described this time as a unique time of trouble which would be worldwide in scope: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be" (Matthew 24:21). It will be a time that will involve the terrible plagues and judgments described graphically in Revelation chapters 6-16.

    The Lord's promise is conditional: If you keep My Word, I will keep you from the hour of testing. Who are those who keep His Word? Who are those who keep His command? In Revelation 12:17 and 14:12, we learn that it is the saints (true believers) who keep God's Word (God's commandments). The same is true of John 8:51: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death." The true believer, the one who has eternal life and who never sees death, is here described as the one who keeps His command, who keeps his Word.

    Believers are not always obedient to the Word of their Master. Every believer, if honest, would recognize areas of his life where he has not been obedient to God's Word. However, as God views the life of the true believer in its totality, it is a life characterized by obedience. It is a life characterized by keeping His Word: "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments" (1 John 2:3). The person whose life is characterized by disobedience is the person who does not truly know Christ in a saving way (see 1 John 2:4).

    Our Lord's disciples were not always totally obedient to their Master. Peter, for example, seriously denied His Lord and later was rebuked by Paul for not walking uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel of grace (Galatians 2:11-14). And yet, when the Lord Jesus viewed the lives of the disciples, including Peter, He made this amazing statement, "they have kept Thy Word" (John 17:6). Though they had their faults and were at times guilty of disobedience, yet their lives in general were characterized by obedience.

    Thus in Revelation 3:10, those who have kept His Word are those who are saints, that is, true believers. It does not refer to a group of "obedient believers" in contrast to other believers who are not obedient. If this were the case, then only the "obedient believers" would be "kept from the hour" and removed from the earth, resulting in a partial rapture. But there is no such thing as a partial rapture. The Rapture includes all living believers without exception.

    Notice that the Lord promised believers in Revelation 3:10 that they would be kept, not just from the TESTING which would severely test the earth dwellers, but that they would be kept from the HOUR of testing. They would not only be kept from the testing, but they would be kept from the TIME of testing. "I also will keep thee from the hour [TIME] of temptation [testing], which shall come upon all the world, to try [test] them that dwell upon the earth." The only way to be kept from the HOUR of testing is to be removed from the earth before that "hour" commences.

    The Second World War was a time of trial and trouble for much of the world. Suppose you lived on earth prior to this great war, and you were given this promise: "You will be kept from the trial of World War II." This means that you would not face any of the bullets or bombs or battles of the war. Perhaps you would be located in a part of the world not directly involved in the conflict. You could still be in the world, but protected from the war. But suppose you were given this promise: "You will be kept from the TIME of World War II." For this to be fulfilled you could not be on earth during the entire period of years from 1941 to 1945. To be exempt from the time is to be absent at the time when the event takes place.

    The expression "kept from" is very important. It does not mean "preservation through" or "preservation in" but it means "exemption from." The Post-Tribulation view and the Pre-Wrath view both see the believer staying on the earth during the Tribulation period. "Preservation through" would fit their view because they understand that God will preserve the Church through the Tribulation or through most of the Tribulation. "Exemption from" best fits the Pre-Tribulation view because the Church is not on the earth at all during the Tribulation and thus the Church is exempt from the trials and troubles associated with that time. The term "kept from" best fits the idea of "exemption from."

    Literally this phrase means "to be kept out of" [Greek, ek]. Its meaning is similar to how we use these terms in English. To be kept out of jail means that the person will not be behind bars. To be kept out of the swimming pool means that the person is exempt from getting wet. To be kept out of the army means that the person was not allowed in the army, and thus he was exempt from serving in the army. If a basketball player was kept out of the entire ball game, it means that he did not get to play at all. He did not see any action. If a sign on a person's property said, "KEEP OUT!" then this means that the person did not want you on his property at all. He did not want your presence there at all. Moses was kept out of the promised land, which means that he did not enter Palestine at all. To be KEPT OUT OF "the hour of trial" that will come upon all the world means that the person will not enter that time at all. He will be exempt from that time. He will not be present on earth during that time.

    The phrase "kept out of" is used by the Apostle John in one other place. It is found in John 17:15, "I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from [out of] the evil [one]." The Lord's will for His believers of this present Age is not to be removed from this world, but to be His witnesses in the world. We are in the world but not of the world. The key issue in this verse involves the believer's relationship to the realm of Satan, the evil one. As saved people, are we still IN the realm of Satan, or have we been delivered out of that realm? Does God keep us out of the realm and power of the evil one or are we still in it?

    The answer is found in Colossians 1:13-- "Who hath delivered us from [out of] the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son." We once were in the realm of the power of darkness, but we have been delivered out of that realm when we were saved.

    The Apostle John sets forth this truth in 1 John 5:18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." In harmony with our Lord's prayer in John 17:15, believers are kept from or out of the wicked one so that he (Satan) does not touch them at all! He no longer has any kind of a hold on us. We have been removed totally from his kingdom and from his realm. We now belong to the Son of God who loved us and gave Himself for us! Yes, we are in the world, but we are kept OUT OF the evil one! As far as having Satan for our ruler, we are totally exempt!

    Another passage written by the Apostle John is significant in understanding Revelation 3:10. It is found in John 12:27, "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save Me from [out of] this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour." Although the verb "to keep" is not used in this verse, it is similar to Revelation 3:10 in that the preposition "out of" [Greek, ek] is used as well as the word "hour." It is clear that our Lord prayed for exemption from the hour when He would bear the sins of the world and be separated from God His Father: "Father, if Thou be willing, remove this cup from Me…" (Luke 22:42). But the Lord Jesus must follow the path of obedience to His Father's will: "But for this cause came I unto this hour.…nevertheless not My will, but Thine be done." (John 12:27; Luke 22:42). The Lord Jesus did not want to drink the cup of the wrath of God. He prayed that He might be exempt from that hour; but most of all He wanted to obey His heavenly Father regardless of the cost.

    CONCLUSION: In Revelation 3:10 the Lord promised His Church Age believers that they would be exempt from the hour of trial or trouble that would come upon all the world. He did not promise to keep us through this time or to keep us in this time, but He promised to keep us out of this time. He will keep us out of this time by removing us from the earth prior to Daniel's 70th week. This great event is described in John 14:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and in several other passages.
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