Book of Enoch and Book of Jubilees
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It has been put heavy on my heart to read through the books that were found in the Dead Sea caverns of Qumran. Particularly the books in cave 4 that are said to be dated 408-318BC and were in a place of importance with other canon books. it is of important note the Enoch had almost as many copies as Deuteronomy andExodus in those caves. In that time 400 years before Christ that this removes the question of dating around Enoch 1. I have a minor in Theology and I am a successful white collar working professional and am a Christian. I have come to have faith that this book was allowed to be found and verified against the versions found in the 1700's and the Ethiopian Canon so that Christians would have a clearer understanding of the fallen angels, evil spirits that were left to the earth their offspring, that existed after Adam and see that their purpose was to greatly advance technology of that time so that man would rely on themselves and turn from God. I think that we are coming to closer and closer to the end of days and these evils Spirts and Satan were behind the crash in Roswell, NM so that we could and have re-engineered the tech. And you would be shocked to find out what has come and is yet to come from that. My concern is that when the time comes for these things to be accepted by the public (rather than ridiculed as the 60 year old strategy) many believers will lose their faith and believe the lie of these evils spirit that they are from other planets when in fact they have been here since the time of Noah and Enoch. hundreds of reputable people are coming forth from the military and CIA more so then ever because they are at the end of theirs lives and the fear the shroud of secrecy from the high powers is dwindling in numbers. many Christians will believe the lies because Western Christianity has not prepared them properly. [ ( see The Disclosure Project of 2001 and 2013 congressional testimonies. Also see Don Phillips former CIA Skunkworks CIA contractors interview) D.U.M.B.s Deep Underground military bases. also see Phil Schneider 1995/6 interviews before he was killed for his efforts. Best for last Paul Hellyer former Defense Minister of Canada over all the armed forces.]
It is time that Christians stop denying the power and will of God to unearth these books in 1946-1956 at the same time the Roswell discovery happened in 1947 in our history. This is divine providence in my humble opinion and people that want to argue over semantics just cannot accept that God would act this abundantly for us in such an obvious way.
Rev. 16:13-15Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
It is time that Christians stop denying the power and will of God to unearth these books in 1946-1956 at the same time the Roswell discovery happened in 1947 in our history. This is divine providence in my humble opinion and people that want to argue over semantics just cannot accept that God would act this abundantly for us in such an obvious way.
Rev. 16:13-15Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
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How can you be sure Jude was talking from book of enoch?I was around this stuff for a long time and the one thing i understood was it took my interest from Jesus to almost worshiping angels.The most important thing is Jesus.All others are not so important.There are some passages in NT where apostles say they want to speak more about spiritual things,but they didn't.
If God wants he can bring all kinds of mysterious stuff to be put in Holy Bible.There is a reason why its not there.Because God wants us to concentrate on Jesus.Because he is coming back!
God Bless.
If God wants he can bring all kinds of mysterious stuff to be put in Holy Bible.There is a reason why its not there.Because God wants us to concentrate on Jesus.Because he is coming back!
God Bless.
I have heard of the Book of Enoch and am somewhat familiar with its background as a text and what its contents are basically supposed to be about. I have not read it yet, though I would like to some day just to make my own conclusions upon it.
The fact it is alluded to in the other Biblical books is pretty much what caught my attention to it, but it is fair to say it could just be a forgery. My initial thoughts when I learned of its existence was that it might be a gnostic text, but if its oldest copies really are dated to at least 200-300 BC, this would give it a little bit better veracity as that would make it pre-date gnosticism. Either way though whether Book of Enoch is actually by Enoch, I am of the opinion that even just the short passages in Genesis are pretty sufficient in driving home the point that some pretty messed up stuff happened before the Flood, so really The Book of Enoch is somewhat irrelevant to me. Though if it is true that would make it the oldest work of literature in history. As for the Book of Secrets of Enoch, I have never even heard of this before.
As for Jubillees, I have heard of it by name, but never really investigated it nor read it and quite honestly I have no idea what is written therein.
If Enoch didn't have more important work to do when he gets back to Earth, it be a cool question to ask him if he actually wrote or dictated the Book of Enoch.
The fact it is alluded to in the other Biblical books is pretty much what caught my attention to it, but it is fair to say it could just be a forgery. My initial thoughts when I learned of its existence was that it might be a gnostic text, but if its oldest copies really are dated to at least 200-300 BC, this would give it a little bit better veracity as that would make it pre-date gnosticism. Either way though whether Book of Enoch is actually by Enoch, I am of the opinion that even just the short passages in Genesis are pretty sufficient in driving home the point that some pretty messed up stuff happened before the Flood, so really The Book of Enoch is somewhat irrelevant to me. Though if it is true that would make it the oldest work of literature in history. As for the Book of Secrets of Enoch, I have never even heard of this before.
As for Jubillees, I have heard of it by name, but never really investigated it nor read it and quite honestly I have no idea what is written therein.
If Enoch didn't have more important work to do when he gets back to Earth, it be a cool question to ask him if he actually wrote or dictated the Book of Enoch.
There are many books or writings that are referenced or even quoted in the Bible. Some of these writing may have been inspired and others clearly were not. The fact that the Bible quotes from such sources at times does not acknowledge those sources as inspired. Jasher is a book this is referred to in 2 Samuel 1:18 but whether this book was inspired or not we are not told.
How can you be sure Jude was talking from book of enoch?I was around this stuff for a long time and the one thing i understood was it took my interest from Jesus to almost worshiping angels.The most important thing is Jesus.All others are not so important.There are some passages in NT where apostles say they want to speak more about spiritual things,but they didn't.
If God wants he can bring all kinds of mysterious stuff to be put in Holy Bible.There is a reason why its not there.Because God wants us to concentrate on Jesus.Because he is coming back!
God Bless.
If God wants he can bring all kinds of mysterious stuff to be put in Holy Bible.There is a reason why its not there.Because God wants us to concentrate on Jesus.Because he is coming back!
God Bless.
Then you should know that thee is a direct quote in Jude that is only found in the book of Enoch...just saying that is and not that I am (endorsing either books Enoch or Jubilees)
I have scanned both (key word scanned) and have found no contradictions (not saying inspired) I will also say that God said that two or three witness are required for something to be proven true.
I will also say, when was 1st Samuel written which quotes Jasher? So, either the book was written before the date that 1st Samuel was written or that reference was added after the fact.
Joshua 19:13 also quotes Jasher and the same thing I stated above applies as well to the Joshua quote.
I will also say, when was 1st Samuel written which quotes Jasher? So, either the book was written before the date that 1st Samuel was written or that reference was added after the fact.
Joshua 19:13 also quotes Jasher and the same thing I stated above applies as well to the Joshua quote.
Re: Book of Enoch and Book of Jubilees
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
I have scanned both (key word scanned) and have found no contradictions (not saying inspired) I will also say that God said that two or three witness are required for something to be proven true.
I will also say, when was 1st Samuel written which quotes Jasher? So, either the book was written before the date that 1st Samuel was written or that reference was added after the fact.
Joshua 19:13 also quotes Jasher and the same thing I stated above applies as well to the Joshua quote.
This still does not prove the the book of Jesher as an inspired document.
Read again and note the bolded words (not saying inspired)
I have scanned both (key word scanned) and have found no contradictions (not saying inspired) I will also say that God said that two or three witness are required for something to be proven true.
I will also say, when was 1st Samuel written which quotes Jasher? So, either the book was written before the date that 1st Samuel was written or that reference was added after the fact.
Joshua 19:13 also quotes Jasher and the same thing I stated above applies as well to the Joshua quote.
This still does not prove the the book of Jesher as an inspired document.
Read again and note the bolded words (not saying inspired)
Re: Book of Enoch and Book of Jubilees
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
I have scanned both (key word scanned) and have found no contradictions (not saying inspired) I will also say that God said that two or three witness are required for something to be proven true.
I will also say, when was 1st Samuel written which quotes Jasher? So, either the book was written before the date that 1st Samuel was written or that reference was added after the fact.
Joshua 19:13 also quotes Jasher and the same thing I stated above applies as well to the Joshua quote.
This still does not prove the the book of Jesher as an inspired document.
Read again and note the bolded words (not saying inspired)
I have scanned both (key word scanned) and have found no contradictions (not saying inspired) I will also say that God said that two or three witness are required for something to be proven true.
I will also say, when was 1st Samuel written which quotes Jasher? So, either the book was written before the date that 1st Samuel was written or that reference was added after the fact.
Joshua 19:13 also quotes Jasher and the same thing I stated above applies as well to the Joshua quote.
This still does not prove the the book of Jesher as an inspired document.
Read again and note the bolded words (not saying inspired)
haven't really concluded anything on it as yet but I do have a few questions....
like what makes us think that those who canonized the scriptures didn't make mistakes
I have heard that Enoch invented writing and Noah took some books on the ark with him
a lot of history wiped out in the flood...could that have some impact on the topic at hand
and I don't trust any effort by man to convince me that early man could not express written words as Adam was way more intelligent that men today
amongst other things just to name a few
like what makes us think that those who canonized the scriptures didn't make mistakes
I have heard that Enoch invented writing and Noah took some books on the ark with him
a lot of history wiped out in the flood...could that have some impact on the topic at hand
and I don't trust any effort by man to convince me that early man could not express written words as Adam was way more intelligent that men today
amongst other things just to name a few
One of the earliest known forms of writing is the cuneiform or sand script which emerged in the late fourth millennium BC and was probably developed by the Sumerians. The time of the flood was roughly around 1656 - 1657th year after creation. The Sumerians did not appear as a nation until around 3500 BC. According to Genesis 11:2 they began began as a nation by settling in the plains of Shi-nar. This was some time after the event of the Tower of Babble which was about 250 years after the flood. One would suppose that the emergence of the cuneiform writing would not occur until the Sameritians had become a more socially developed nation which would take some time. So, the earliest form of written language we know anything about did not even begin to be developed until many years after the flood.