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    Has anyone else here read these books and if so what do you think?
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    Neither are of inspired origin.
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    They are nice Bible commentaries form the time Jesus was alive. They are just one person's opinion of what certain part of the bible mean, but as they were both quite popular, they were probably many people's opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss View Post
    Has anyone else here read these books and if so what do you think?
    I think I glanced at it once. I used to enjoy reading the apocryphal and pseudepigraphal writings, but there are so many of them, especially when you start delving into gnostic writings, that I finally lost interest.

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    The Book of Enoch came up just yesterday when a group in the BibleStudy room was reading the book of Jude. In Jude the writer QUOTES the first chapter of the book of Enoch. Now, if the book of Jude is inspired, and it is, therefore, infallable... why would it QUOTE an uninspired book? Though I have note read The Book of Enoch I now will... for if that ONE PART of the Book of Enoch is truth and put in the Bible... why would the Bible quote a book that is not ALL true (and we all know that something ALL true is only of God's inspiration, for He IS truth)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammachickadee View Post
    The Book of Enoch came up just yesterday when a group in the BibleStudy room was reading the book of Jude. In Jude the writer QUOTES the first chapter of the book of Enoch. Now, if the book of Jude is inspired, and it is, therefore, infallable... why would it QUOTE an uninspired book? Though I have note read The Book of Enoch I now will... for if that ONE PART of the Book of Enoch is truth and put in the Bible... why would the Bible quote a book that is not ALL true (and we all know that something ALL true is only of God's inspiration, for He IS truth)?
    Jude was not quoting the book of Enoch. He was quoting Enoch.

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    The book of Enoch that exists now may not be what existed when Jude wrote what he wrote.
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    Somewhere in the book of Enoch ( I don't remember if at beginning or end< I'll have to go in the attic and find it) it said that this book would be hidden for a remote generation that would go through the tribulation. I really did not understand the book thouroghly, and I was just wondering if someone else did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammachickadee View Post
    The Book of Enoch came up just yesterday when a group in the BibleStudy room was reading the book of Jude. In Jude the writer QUOTES the first chapter of the book of Enoch. Now, if the book of Jude is inspired, and it is, therefore, infallable... why would it QUOTE an uninspired book? Though I have note read The Book of Enoch I now will... for if that ONE PART of the Book of Enoch is truth and put in the Bible... why would the Bible quote a book that is not ALL true (and we all know that something ALL true is only of God's inspiration, for He IS truth)?
    This is not a correct principle. All the quote proves is that part of the book is inspired, the part that is quoted. The OT quotes two whole chapters of the books of prophecy by Balaam. In his country they come from whole books. It was these prophecies that some people think got the Wisemen to see Jesus. Any book put together by a man may contain various inspired and non-inspired parts. People quote from the Bible all the time, each of those quotes is inspired. Enoch could well have inspired parts in it. God takes the best of everything for His book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammachickadee View Post
    Now, if the book of Jude is inspired, and it is, therefore, infallable... why would it QUOTE an uninspired book?
    The book of Jasher is quoted in Joshua. Where does that logic end?

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    Enoch was a person seen through scripture, but he was a prophet. There are denominations that use real scripture mixed in with their own teachings. Does this make it part of the Bible teaching? No, because they are distorting the scripture to fit their own ideas.

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    The "Book Of Enoch" was part of the Bible up until the year 400 AD, at which time a conclave of Bishops met to decide, amoung other things, whether to include Enoch or Revelation in the Bible. They chose in favour of Revelation, and thereafter Enoch was omitted.

    I have read The Book of Enoch, The Book Of Jubilees, and the Book Of Secrets Of Enoch, and have copies of the first two, and photocopies of parts of The Book Of Secrets Of Enoch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss View Post
    Has anyone else here read these books and if so what do you think?
    I read Enoch 1. It is legit in my opinion and a good read. Stay away from other versions called Enoch 2 3 4 etc.

    Only Enoch 1 or one, known in the Ethiopian cannon , is legitimate . Part of it was found in the dead sea scrolls .

    You can read it here.

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    Jubilees I believe is in the manuscripts, and found in the dead sea scrolls also. So they should be okay to read as well.

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    Somewhere in the book of Enoch ( I don't remember if at beginning or end< I'll have to go in the attic and find it) it said that this book would be hidden for a remote generation that would go through the tribulation. I really did not understand the book thouroghly, and I was just wondering if someone else did.
    Enoch, the 7th generation born from The Adam, and Eve (with people/humans at that time living as long as 300 to over 900 of these mortal years of time.

    The FIRST Preacher of Righteousness; Prophesying of the impending flood of Noah to come; stating that The God of Israel will NOT stand still forever, concerning this abomination of flesh humans mixing with angels who willingly left their first-estate, to come ahead of Our Father's Plan to this earth. Thus trying to corrupt from the beginning of this flesh realm; Our Father's Plan of each and every one of us, to be born innocent of woman, in this flesh. Only suggested, Not forced. Kudo's & Cheer's to ALL humans for obeying this alone.

    Enoch, one who NEVER tasted Death/Satan; for Get Over Death, GOD ALMIGHTY had this testimony of Enoch, "he was GOD's friend"

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    Almost forgot; Hi! Jimmy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss View Post
    Somewhere in the book of Enoch ( I don't remember if at beginning or end< I'll have to go in the attic and find it) it said that this book would be hidden for a remote generation that would go through the tribulation. I really did not understand the book thouroghly, and I was just wondering if someone else did.
    So a book outside the bible makes a proclamation about itself? How does that validate it? That's like reading a fiction book making the same proclamation and assuming it must be valid. Personally, i don't go near those sorts of books. The majority of people i've seen that reference those books are blatantly not Christians, or seem to combine different religious beliefs with Christianity. That, to me, is a good bit of evidence as to their validity.
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    The Shepherd of Hermas is also a well known one.

    Others like The Didache and the Letter of Clement 1 almost made the cannon. Others were seen as outrageous or potential heretical The Infancy Gospel of Thomas for example, portrays Child Jesus as a dennis-the-menace type of character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammachickadee View Post
    The Book of Enoch came up just yesterday when a group in the BibleStudy room was reading the book of Jude. In Jude the writer QUOTES the first chapter of the book of Enoch. Now, if the book of Jude is inspired, and it is, therefore, infallable... why would it QUOTE an uninspired book? Though I have note read The Book of Enoch I now will... for if that ONE PART of the Book of Enoch is truth and put in the Bible... why would the Bible quote a book that is not ALL true (and we all know that something ALL true is only of God's inspiration, for He IS truth)?
    the forger of Enoch possibly read that passage in Jude and then fit the "Enoch" quote in there.
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    If you believe everything that is written, you could actually lose the Lord. If you refuse to learn anything about the people and times God uses to explain, you don't understand a lot of things. Besides, their style of writing was so different that it is hard to read.

    I think we have to trust the scholars who have searched carefully to find what is inspired. I found some of those early writers too difficult, so I search for people who have plowed through their writings and take their word for what they say. Like the book "How to Read the Bible for All it is Worth" said, I think we need to learn history surrounding the bible to get the most our of scripture. That is different from accepting other writings as scripture.

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    History says that it was apostle John who canonized the new testament. If these books were necessary for us to read, of course John would have added it with the scripture that we have in our hand.
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