Re: Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vati
The Bible itself tells us that there will be a falling away from the faith in the last days (2 Thes. 2) and that the Whore of Babylon will arise to deceive the whole world with the wine of her fornication. (Rev. 18) Anybody who is using a UBS (United Bible Society) based version is in fact using a Vatican Version and is being deceived.`
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the Whore of Babylon....where does scripture use that term.
and it aint ROME...LOL
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Hi Zone. So, you don't think the term "whore of Babylon" comes from the Bible and you don't think it's Rome, huh?
Revelation 17:1-5 describes the great whore, and on her forehead is written Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the earth. As for this not being Rome, you are woefully misinformed.
Catholic St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 - Footnotes on Revelation 17:1-6 "Babylon, a symbolic name (v. 5) of Rome, is graphically described as the great harlot." Revelation 17:9 Footnote - "Seven hills: of Rome."
Catholic Douay 1950 - Footnote on Revelation 17:11 - "The beast spoken of here seems to be the Roman Empire, as in chapter 13."
Catholic New Jerusalem Bible 1985 - Footnote on Revelation 16:10 "the seat of the beast"- "Rome, type of all gentile powers hostile to God." Revelation 17:6 "the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" - Footnote - "Like Jerusalem, Rome is guilty of a double crime: idolatry (v.4) and murder. (v.6)". Footnote on Revelation 17:9 "the great whore that sitteth upon many waters" - "Here it is Rome the idolatrous." Revelation 17:9 "The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." Footnote - "The seven heads are the seven hills of Rome."
The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible
Revelation 17:1 - And there came one of the seven angels that had the seven vials…"this is the seventh and last angel, concerned in the utter destruction of antichrist: and therefore proposes to John to show him the judgment of the great whore: and talked with me, saying unto me, come hither: he conversed with him in a friendly manner, see (Zechariah 1:9) and desires him to come nearer to him, and go along with him, adding, I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore; that noted and famous one, known before to John by the names of Jezabel and Babylon, who taught and caused many to commit fornication, (Revelation 2:20) (Revelation 14:8) and is no other than Rome Papal; for that a city or state is meant is clear from (Revelation 17:18) and it is usual for idolatrous or apostate cities to be called whores or harlots, see (Isaiah 1:21) (Ezekiel 23:2-4) (Nahum 3:4) and she is called a "great" one, because of the largeness of the Papal see; and because of the multitude of persons, the kings of the earth, and the inhabitants of it, with whom the Romish antichrist has committed spiritual fornication, or idolatry.”
Adam Clarke Commentary - Revelation 17
"Saw a woman sit upon a scarlet-coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. "
No doubt can now be entertained that this woman is the Latin Church, for she sits upon the beast with seven heads and ten horns, which has been already proved to be the Latin empire, because this empire alone contains the number 666. See Clarke on Revelation 13:18. This is a representation of the Latin Church in her highest state of antichristian prosperity, for she SITS UPON the scarlet coloured beast, a striking emblem of her complete domination over the secular Latin empire. The state of the Latin Church from the commencement of the fourteenth century to the time of the Reformation may be considered that which corresponds to this prophetic description in the most literal and extensive sense of the words; for during this period she was at her highest pitch of worldly grandeur and temporal authority. The beast is full of names of blasphemy; and it is well known that the nations, in support of the Latin or Romish Church, have abounded in blasphemous appellations, and have not blushed to attribute to themselves and to their Church the most sacred titles, not only blaspheming by the improper use of sacred names, but even by applying to its bishop those names which alone belong to God; for God hath expressly declared that he will not give his glory to another, neither his praise to graven images.”
Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testaments
Revelation 17 - I will show thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters ...
But was she not seated upon a beast? Yes, but both she and the beast rise from the teeming populations of the earth. Harlot ... "In Isa. 1:21, Jer. 2:20,31, etc., these terms are used to describe God's apostate people, those once joined to him in covenant relationship, but who had broken their marriage vow of faithfulness." "In the Old Testament, this imagery is commonly used to denote religious apostasy." "Is this harlot, then, Papal Rome? The answer is: Insofar as Papal Rome has wielded tyrannical power, turned persecutor, stood between the spirits of people and Christ, depraved the consciences of people, withheld the truth, sought aggrandizement and demonstrated the power of a political engine rather than that of a witness of Christ, she has inherited the features of Babylon."
Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament
Revelation 17 - Verse 2. With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication. Spiritual adultery. The meaning is, that Papal Rome, unfaithful to God, and idolatrous and corrupt, had seduced the rulers of the earth, and led them into the same kind of unfaithfulness, idolatry, and corruption. Compare Jeremiah 3:8-9; 5:7; 13:27; 23:14; Ezekiel 16:32; 23:37; Hosea 2:2 Hosea 4:2. How true this is in history need not be stated. All the princes and kings of Europe in the dark ages and for many centuries were, and not a few of them are now, entirely under the influence of Papal Rome.
J.N. Darby on Revelation 17 -
"The general character is the great active idolatress that has gained influence over the mass of the nations; next, that the kings of the earth have lived in guilty intimacy with her, seeking her favors, while those that dwell on the earth have lost their senses through her pernicious and inebriating influence. This is the general idea first given, a character plain enough to mark the Roman or Papal system."
There was a woman, a religious system, sitting on an imperial beast full of names of blasphemy, having the form which marked it Roman. The woman was gorgeously and imperially arrayed, had every human glory and ornament on her, and a rich cup of prostituting yet gross idolatries in her hand. "Abominations are simply idols; " filthiness of her fornication," all the horrible corruption that accompanies it. Her cup was full of them. She was in the desert; no springs of God were there. It was not, so to speak, God's land, no heavenly country. To spiritual understanding she bore on her forehead her character (yet one known only when spiritually known), of the great city of corruption, source of all seduction to men and of all idolatry in the earth: such was Popery.”
The Geneva Study Bible on Revelation 17 - “That harlot, the spiritual Babylon, which is Rome.”
Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary on the Whole Bible- Revelation 17 -
”It cannot be pagan Rome, but papal Rome, if a particular seat of error be meant, but I incline to think that the judgment (Re 18:2) and the spiritual fornication (Re 18:3), though finding their culmination in Rome, are not restricted to it, but comprise the whole apostate Church, Roman, Greek, and even Protestant, so far as it has been seduced from its "first love" (Re 2:4) to Christ, the heavenly Bridegroom, and given its affections to worldly pomps and idols.”
Matthew Henry’s Complete Commentary -
Revelation 17 -”This beast, the papacy, makes an eighth governor, and sets up idolatry again. 3. This beast had ten horns; which are said to be ten kings which have as yet received no kingdoms; as yet, that is, as some, shall not rise up till the Roman empire be broken in pieces; or, as others, shall not rise up till near the end of antichrist's reign, and so shall reign but as it were one hour with her, but shall for that time be very unanimous and very zealous in that interest, and entirely devoted to it, divesting themselves of their prerogatives and revenues (things so dear to princes), out of an unaccountable fondness for the papacy.”
People’s New Testament commentary on Revelation 17 -
“In the present chapter (17:16) it is stated that the ten horns, which become the strength of the beast, shall be turned upon the woman who is Mystery, Babylon, the Great. This implies a separation between the beast and the woman, between the secular power that had supported the Papacy and the Papacy itself.”
John Wesley’s Commentary on Revelation 17 -
“ From the time of Hildebrand, the blasphemous titles of the Pope have been abundantly multiplied. ... Mystery -This very word was inscribed on the front of the Pope's mitre, till some of the Reformers took public notice of it. Babylon the great - Benedict XIII., in his proclamation of the jubilee, A.D. 1725, explains this sufficiently. His words are, "To this holy city, famous for the memory of so many holy martyrs, run with religious alacrity. Hasten to the place which the Lord hath chose. Ascend to this new Jerusalem, whence the law of the Lord and the light of evangelical truth hath flowed forth into all nations, from the very first beginning of the church: the city most rightfully called 'The Palace,' placed for the pride of all ages, the city of the Lord, the Sion of the Holy One of Israel. This catholic and apostolical Roman church is the head of the world, the mother of all believers, the faithful interpreter of God and mistress of all churches." But God somewhat varies the style. The mother of harlots - The parent, ringleader, patroness, and nourisher of many daughters, that loosely copy after her. And abominations - Of every kind, spiritual and fleshly. Of the earth -In all lands. In this respect she is indeed catholic or universal. Verse 6. And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints -So that Rome may well be called, "The slaughter-house of the martyrs." She hath shed much Christian blood in every age; but at length she is even drunk with it, at the time to which this vision refers.”
Historicist interpreters, including Martin Luther, John Calvin and John Knox used the phrase "Whore of Babylon" to refer to the Roman Catholic Church.
The Whore of Babylon - Wikipedia article
Historicist interpreters commonly used the phrase "Whore of Babylon" to refer to the Roman Catholic Church. Reformation writers from Martin Luther (1483–1546) (who wrote On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church), John Calvin (1509–1564), and John Knox (1510–1572) (who wrote The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women) taught this association. The Roman Catholic Church denies the claim that it is being referred to by the Book of Revelation as the Whore of Babylon.
Identification of the Pope as the Antichrist was written into Protestant creeds such as the Westminster Confession of 1646. The identification of the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon is kept in the Scofield Reference Bible (whose 1917 edition identified "ecclesiastical Babylon" with "apostate Christendom headed by the Papacy").
