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Note: These are a few verses I uncovered in a recent study. I have compiled them into a "doctrine" of sorts. You are welcome to your opinions and understandings as the Father gifts you.

This thread is not intended to be an "argument forum" of what anyone believes or how wrong or right you think I am.

Do what you want with the information contained in this post and add to it if you like. Please keep any replies or comments civil and above all...CHRISTIAN in nature. This forum is about enlightening and helping one another after all.

Remember, you are free to disagree and "click through" to the next post at any time if you don't like what you read.

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You either live a Christian life or you don't. There is no middle ground.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

If you are not living as Christ did, putting the Father first in all things, and you call yourself a "Christian" or claim to be "Saved", you do nothing more than defame those who actually ARE living it, furthermore, you dishonour the Father and Son to those who witness the deeds you do in the name of Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:10-17
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

If you belong to a denomination (including attending a "Non-Denominational" church), then by default you partake in the divisive organizations that I believe Paul warns and speaks disdainfully about. I do not believe that the "church model" Christ and the apostles founded had any resemblance to what "church" has become today.

And They Crucified Him - Art Katz - YouTube

Is going to "church" for two hours on a Sunday, and then turning your back on the Father, and your brothers and sisters, the rest of the week pleasing to the Father?

2 Samuel 7:4-7 But in the same night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying, “Go and say to My servant David, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Are you the one who should build Me a house to dwell in? For I have not dwelt in a house since the day I brought up the sons of Israel from Egypt, even to this day; but I have been moving about in a tent, even in a tabernacle. Wherever I have gone with all the sons of Israel, did I speak a word with one of the tribes of Israel, which I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’

Jeremiah 32:33
They have turned their back to Me and not their face; though I taught them, teaching again and again, they would not listen and receive instruction.

Acts 17:24-25
The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;

Do you believe that asking someone to pray for you is more profitable than talking to the Father directly?

Do you believe that turning to a man (pastor, minister, priest) for guidance is more profitable than turning to the Father?

1 Samuel 15:22
But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.

Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire-- but my ears you have opened -- burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

Psalm 51:16
For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
You are not pleased with burnt offering.

Jeremiah 7:22-26
For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you will be My people; and you will walk in all the way which I command you, that it may be well with you.’ Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward. Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have sent you all My servants the prophets, daily rising early and sending them. Yet they did not listen to Me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck; they did more evil than their fathers.

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Do you believe that tithing is required to please the Father?

Do you believe that repentance and being "born again", forsaking your old self, and walking as Christ walked is not required to please the Father?

Do you believe "grace" is a license to continue in sin?

The true grace of God - YouTube

Hebrews 10:26-27
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

Do you believe that television programming, movies, and the majority of music today is acceptable and profitable as part of a "Christian way of life?"

Do you believe that the compilation of scriptures called "The Bible" which was commissioned by Constantine, a vicious Roman emperor, and compiled by the corrupted "church fathers" which became the Church of Rome (Catholic Church), is "the only inspired, infallible word of God?"

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

2 Samuel 1:18
and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.

The Book of Jasher

Jude 1:14-15
It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

The Book of Enoch Index
The Wesley Center Online: Book Of Enoch

2 Corinthians 11:14
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

The Forgotten Books of Eden: The First Book of Adam and Eve: Chapter XXVII

Matthew 5:16
Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Who do YOU serve?

Who do YOU glorify?

Lord Lord I Never Knew You - Paul Washer - YouTube

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Isaiah 54:13
All your children will be taught by the LORD, and great will be their peace.

Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise,
And the law of the Lord is with us’?
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes
Has made it into a lie.

Jeremiah 23:16
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:34
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

Acts 20:30
Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

2 Corinthians 11:13
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

Galatians 1:6--10
I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:9
Now about your love for one another we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other.

Hebrews 8:11
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

May the Lord bless and keep you.
 
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Note: These are a few verses I uncovered in a recent study. I have compiled them into a "doctrine" of sorts. You are welcome to your opinions and understandings as the Father gifts you.

This thread is not intended to be an "argument forum" of what anyone believes or how wrong or right you think I am.

Do what you want with the information contained in this post and add to it if you like. Please keep any replies or comments civil and above all...CHRISTIAN in nature. This forum is about enlightening and helping one another after all.

Remember, you are free to disagree and "click through" to the next post at any time if you don't like what you read.

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You either live a Christian life or you don't. There is no middle ground.

Revelation 3:16
So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Therefore, we are ambassadors (Representatives or messengers) for Christ, as though God were making an appeal (special request) through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

If you are not living as Christ did, putting the Father first in all things, and you call yourself a "Christian" or claim to be "Saved", you do nothing more than defame those who actually ARE living it, furthermore, you dishonor the Father and Son to those who witness the deeds you do in the name of Christ.

Matthew 23:25“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

1 Corinthians 1:10-17
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

If you belong to a denomination (including attending a "Non-Denominational" church), then by default you partake in the divisive organizations that I believe Paul warns and speaks disdainfully about. I do not believe that the "church model" Christ and the apostles founded had any resemblance to what "church" has become today.

Acts 6:1 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food.

And They Crucified Him - Art Katz - YouTube


May the Lord bless and keep you.
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If you have a body of believers walking in doctrinal unity they will have distinctives setting them apart from others who disagree. Now, which one is the denomination?
 
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Consider that the word "christian" means something different to every person alive. To claim any "no true Christian" card is just silliness going no where.

Scripture shows levels of Christians. Paul says milk and meat. Or perfect and not yet perfect. John says those walking in the light as He is, vs those who aren't there yet, still have darkness to be washed away, but DO have Christ as their mediator.

Seems you can be under atoning Grace, and not yet be a mature believer. So would you call one a Christian,and the other not?
 

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We should allow scripture to motivate what we believe more than what teachers say today.
 
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If you have a body of believers walking in doctrinal unity they will have distinctives setting them apart from others who disagree. Now, which one is the denomination?
Who's doctrine, who's unity?

Knowledge puffs up. Bickering over proper doctrine is not edifying. In fact scripture says unity is gained through doing the works, as led by the church leaders appointed by God. It also says the knowledge of christ you need to learn comes from those works as well. It also says spiritual maturity comes through those works. It says you'll be as spiritually mature as Jesus the Christ was.

Now most DOCTRINES say that is impossible on earth. And every denomination except holiness and Wesleyan and and and... errrr I forgot their cousin's name, will say that is impossible on Earth. Yet, even as they scream SOLA SCRIPTURA (which is silly cause scripture says it's not sola scriptura), they deny the scripture that doesn't say the things they like...

SO, when it comes to Doctrine, ONLY GOD knows the right doctrine.

And only doing the works He saved you to do will teach you and lead you to living the right doctrine. Knowing it and verbalizing it is irrelevant.

So, that's why I ask.... And I'm sorry my rant, fell from your quote. Has nothing to do with you, it's just one of those topics...... for me.
 

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Who's doctrine, who's unity?

Knowledge puffs up. Bickering over proper doctrine is not edifying. In fact scripture says unity is gained through doing the works, as led by the church leaders appointed by God. It also says the knowledge of christ you need to learn comes from those works as well. It also says spiritual maturity comes through those works. It says you'll be as spiritually mature as Jesus the Christ was.

Now most DOCTRINES say that is impossible on earth. And every denomination except holiness and Wesleyan and and and... errrr I forgot their cousin's name, will say that is impossible on Earth. Yet, even as they scream SOLA SCRIPTURA (which is silly cause scripture says it's not sola scriptura), they deny the scripture that doesn't say the things they like...

SO, when it comes to Doctrine, ONLY GOD knows the right doctrine.

And only doing the works He saved you to do will teach you and lead you to living the right doctrine. Knowing it and verbalizing it is irrelevant.

So, that's why I ask.... And I'm sorry my rant, fell from your quote. Has nothing to do with you, it's just one of those topics...... for me.
That's interesting 'doctrine' you are espousing. Be careful or next thing you know a new denomination will be born :).
...some say ''no creeds but deeds, that's my creed'' ...sorry, it isn't mine.
 
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That's interesting 'doctrine' you are espousing. Be careful or next thing you know a new denomination will be born :).
...some say ''no creeds but deeds, that's my creed'' ...sorry, it isn't mine.
It was Paul's in EPhesians 4:11-17.

I'm sorry you disagree with him. :)

ANd it's not a doctrine, it's a lack of doctrine. I can base it firmer in scripture than you can any doctrine you wish to dig up. But lets be honest, you would never change your claim to what doctrine is right, it would challenge your beliefs. And when you look at the life you live as contingent on what you believe, to admit error is scary. :) That's the psychology behind all denominational arguments.

Paul says you learn through works. He says doing the works is the teacher.

Doctrines wish to debate who is wisest and most englightened on scripture.

You can read every kinesiology book, and watch the film of every left handed pitcher in all of baseball, BUT, you can't throw the baseball lefty until you get out and do the work and fail a billion times. It's in the work you learn.

See a life with God is a changed life, NOT winning a debate on understanding what it would look like.

Without the change, and with all the understanding, you got nothing.

So I have a problem, not with you, but with the ideas behind the "doctrine" you espouse. AND you aren't responsible for it, you are just parroting what the largest number of the faith are being taught.

Peace brudder.
 

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It was Paul's in EPhesians 4:11-17.

I'm sorry you disagree with him. :)

ANd it's not a doctrine, it's a lack of doctrine. I can base it firmer in scripture than you can any doctrine you wish to dig up. But lets be honest, you would never change your claim to what doctrine is right, it would challenge your beliefs. And when you look at the life you live as contingent on what you believe, to admit error is scary. :) That's the psychology behind all denominational arguments.

Paul says you learn through works. He says doing the works is the teacher.

Doctrines wish to debate who is wisest and most englightened on scripture.

You can read every kinesiology book, and watch the film of every left handed pitcher in all of baseball, BUT, you can't throw the baseball lefty until you get out and do the work and fail a billion times. It's in the work you learn.

See a life with God is a changed life, NOT winning a debate on understanding what it would look like.

Without the change, and with all the understanding, you got nothing.

So I have a problem, not with you, but with the ideas behind the "doctrine" you espouse. AND you aren't responsible for it, you are just parroting what the largest number of the faith are being taught.

Peace brudder.
Doctrine is often spoken of positively in Scripture. Paul lays out doctrine ...11 chapters worth before he starts up with works in chapter12 of the book of Romans and he repeats this pattern in his other epistles including Ephesians which book you cited.
Notice what you have been writing?...YOUR doctrine.
 
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This thread is not intended to be an "argument forum" of what anyone believes or how wrong or right you think I am.

Do what you want with the information contained in this post and add to it if you like. Please keep any replies or comments civil and above all...CHRISTIAN in nature. This forum is about enlightening and helping one another after all.
uhhhhhhhh JESUS! :D
 
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I personally don't believe in "doctrine" as this changes with different people, denominations etc. What Christ taught is fairly simple, and not confusing. I choose to read His teachings and allow God to work through them to teach me. I have read the Bible through many times and for the life of me I really don't understand why it is being made so confusing to others or any one for that matter. There is only one doctrine, one church and that is the body of Christ, the ones who have given their all to follow Him. No preconcieved notions, no making things fit, just honest humble belilef in the one true God and creator.

Blessings to all
 
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Doctrine is often spoken of positively in Scripture. Paul lays out doctrine ...11 chapters worth before he starts up with works in chapter12 of the book of Romans and he repeats this pattern in his other epistles including Ephesians which book you cited.
Notice what you have been writing?...YOUR doctrine.
Eph 4 says that's the purview of the leaders of the Church, not as us silly reformers do and when we disagree go make ANOTHER denomination..... What did Paul say about things that cause factions and dissensions???? (it's not spirit led is a hint...)

Paul never set out to write doctrine, as we know the word to represent today... He explained Christ, he didn't say this is what you are to believe or you can't be here. CAVEAT I'm speaking of his comments about and to those in the Church. Since that's where doctrinal importance lies, within the church. If you don't belong in the church you don't care what their doctrines are, until they are attacking you and burning you at the stake.

He had a perfect opportunity in the letters to the Corinthians, and yet, he left it open to them.

Paul never wrote about the Trinity.
He never wrote about sola scriptura, in fact he says things that disprove sola scriptura.
Those are your "doctrine" type chats that I thought we were discussing, and they are not in the Bible but deduced by man later from the Bible and became debate topics, not something that promotes growth in the faith.

"Notice what you have been writing?...YOUR doctrine."<<<<<< you, appropriately snide.

I haven't touched doctrine. Doctrine would be creating something you are to believe that isn't found in scripture but is deduced from scripture.

What I've been doing is hermeneutics and exegetics on what the Book actually says.

You try to attack the message and messenger, not the interpretation of the Bible. I'm assuming LACKING a refutation to how I explained the scriptural verses that was all you had left. But it's cheap, and I think you are above that.

I may have, but I don't think I did present any "position" I wasn't showing that scripture forced my belief on it. Example, the whole Eph example... I've paraphrased it, referenced, explained it, and showed how I use it to determine the direction of my faith on that topic. your response? "you are writing doctrine. blahhhh blahhhh neeener neeener".

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When you can attack my exegetics, rather than me as a person, OR attempt to discredit me with your silly "your doctrine" comments, I'm sure we can have an edifying experience for both you, me and also the rest of the lurkers who read our silliness.
 
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I personally don't believe in "doctrine" as this changes with different people, denominations etc. What Christ taught is fairly simple, and not confusing. I choose to read His teachings and allow God to work through them to teach me. I have read the Bible through many times and for the life of me I really don't understand why it is being made so confusing to others or any one for that matter. There is only one doctrine, one church and that is the body of Christ, the ones who have given their all to follow Him. No preconcieved notions, no making things fit, just honest humble belilef in the one true God and creator.

Blessings to all

Exactly...

If you just take the word CHRISTIAN, and get a definition from 100 self proclaimed "Christians" you will get no less than 120 different answers.

Someone has to have it wrong.

So some wise assssk me another word for them.... will say, WELL, If you had the SPirit of God indwelling you, you would KNOW what it means..... In other words, I know and you don't, and since I claim God's Spirit I'm automatically right and you are wrong.

SOOOOOooooo we get another denomination. :)

It's comical.

That's why if you keep the conversations on the exegetics, and the book, these chats can get somewhere. When you try to defend beliefs and cliches you think define the faith, it gets unproductive.
 
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If you belong to a denomination (including attending a "Non-Denominational" church), then by default you partake in the divisive organizations that I believe Paul warns and speaks disdainfully about. I do not believe that the "church model" Christ and the apostles founded had any resemblance to what "church" has become today.
Now this is half right and half wrong. The churches in the days of Acts where often a single church group in a city. They often met together. This means they are sort of a nondenominational group have good doctrine, for the most part. Each church group of a city can be in good standing with God or not.

Rev. 3 Jesus address the seven churches. He commends some, advises others to do better and so on. So I disagree it is always wrong to join a church.
 
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OH yeah, for the matter of doctrine, the ONLY PEOPLE authorized to make doctrine in the NT were Christ, and then His disciples. BOTH were given the power of miralces (like moses) to show they had a message from God. Calvin had to KILL PEOPLE to get his doctrine to stick. I find a huge difference in what Calvin taught, vs the doctrine setting leaders in the Bible. :|

Calvin brought doctrine, like the muslims brought their faith, by conquest and force.

Paul explained that after Him, the bishops of the Church managed the churches to keep them in line. BUT PAUL still gave the Churches great control over their governance. The first sentence you find in the Timothys, and the second in the Corinthian letters.

Paul said that the CHURCH LEADERS are to lead the people in works of service, NOT IN LECTURING DOCTRINE.

We can make all the excuses we want, but the fact is, until we do it right, we will fail. AN example of failure is the fleshly way the Protestant churches are run; of which I'm a member.
 
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Now this is half right and half wrong. The churches in the days of Acts where often a single church group in a city. They often met together. This means they are sort of a nondenominational group have good doctrine, for the most part. Each church group of a city can be in good standing with God or not.

Rev. 3 Jesus address the seven churches. He commends some, advises others to do better and so on. So I disagree it is always wrong to join a church.

Errrrrr.... let's rethink this. Timothy was in an area that the members would not meet in one house. In fact, rarely could you meet alll the people in one house. Think about it, I'm in Dallas TX, how many can I put in my house? There were MANY HOUSES, or churches, congregations. Each had elders, and readers, and teachers, and other leadership roles. TIMOTHY was over an area like this. AS WAS TITUS, and JAMES (Jerusalem). When the Apostles/Disciples met at the council of Jerusalem they deferred to James as he was leader of that location's church. I guess you could call James the first "pope" like person.

You had an area and it had a church in it. The area was ran by a Timothy or Titus. They taught the leaders of the individual meeting places. It's like the bishop of NY takes care of all the Catholic Churches in his purview, but each one has it's own leaders.

They were not little renegade churches running around independently of each other.

If you read 1 Clement, a person who was around for the teaching of the disciples and apostles, had undoubtedly had contact with both Paul and Peter, and I'm pretty sure Barnabas as well, and he described the Church as a hiearchy. HE WROTE THIS LETTER while the last apostle was still alive. So while a person who walked with Christ lived, the Church was ran much like the Church of Rome runs it today.

You have to find a very small town to fit all the Christians in it in one household, knowing the size of the buildings of those days.
 

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I follow no denomination because I find the disunity amongst christians sad, this is what I believe the OP was saying in his post. How we have dispersed from one mind one heart and one faith. Sure we can be christians but there are so many types of christians, key word types. We allow different types of doctrines to seperate us and make each other dislike each other, I have seen many people end up hating each other because of their different kinds of doctrines.
 
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Yup have to go along with that blain your right different strokes for different folks lol

I have even herd it get so bad that some Christians believe all Catholics will go to hell, that's what you call pure hate,

its sad because they all claim to worship the one true god which is the most important thing here, but they fall out over the little stuff, or they paint everyone with the same brush, does my head in. but the more i see it the easier it is for me to deal with it bro, dont worry time is a healer,

just a quicky to the op, you carnt paint a perfect picture how a christian should be its asking to much to expect other people to behave how you would like them too, we can be Christians but we all cant be disciples, we can be teachers but we can also be followers, we can be generals but we also can be solider,s.

we can throw our self's in front of bus to save a child but we cant all be ready to that, you could devote yourself completely to Jesus and his word and just speak his word and no other word, its your choice,but we cant all be ready to do that, you can live a quiet life and just think his word also, its the same for people who are deaf, (if you get my meaning) you can just lead a normal life, you don't have to prove anything to anyone, peace be with you.

you can choose to be a disciple or a follower, its your choice.
 
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to the op again didn't mean that your painting the perfect picture so don't take it as an insult i meant everybody