Are King James Bible believers "Idolaters"?

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Are King James Bible believers "Idolaters"?

Over the years I have talked to literally hundreds of different people about the Bible version issue and whether or not there exists such a thing as a Bible in ANY language that is the complete, inspired and 100% true and inerrant words of the living God.

One of the charges I have repeatedly heard leveled against the King James Bible believer goes something like this: “You guys are idolaters. You are worshiping the King James Bible more than God!”

Allow me to address this charge of idolatry with two main points. First, neither I nor any King James Bible believer I have ever run into worships our Bible. I do not have an altar set up in my home complete with incense and burning candles where I bow down and pray to my King James Bible. I don’t do that, nor does anyone else I know.

I write in my Bible and get it dirty sometimes. I bend the pages and have spilled coffee (or worse) on it. I sometimes toss it in the back of my car or misplace it. I have even had to throw a Bible or two away because it was so worn out, and get a new one. But I can assure you, neither I nor any other Bible believer I know of worships our King James Bible.

I do however believe it is the infallible words of the living God whom I DO worship.

Secondly, what I have found over the years is that the persons who label us King James Bible believers as being “idolaters” without exception are professing Christians who themselves do not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS or ever was the complete, infallible and 100% true words of God. Without exception.

They could not show you a copy of what they believe to be the infallible words of God if their life depended on it, and they know it.

Most of them do not want to face the FACT that they simply do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible - ANY Bible in any language, including “the” Hebrew and Greek. So, in order to feel better about themselves and to attempt to justify their own position of unbelief in the infallibility of the Bible, they accuse the King James Bible believer of Idolatry and say he or she is worshiping the Bible instead of or more than God.

I always ask these people who accuse the KJB believer of “idolatry” these simple, straight forward questions. They are very logical and fundamental questions to ask anyone who professes to be a Christian and is discussing the Bible or quoting its verses in an effort to make some point or teach us something.

The questions go like this: “Do you personally believe that there is such a thing as a Bible in ANY language that is the complete (66 books in a single volume), inspired and 100% true and inerrant words of God? And when other versions or translations differ from your “inerrant Bible” either in the TEXTS or in the meanings, then the other versions are wrong and yours is right? Yes or No?

If Yes, then can you please give us the specific name of this infallible Bible you say you believe in or give us a link to where we can see it for ourselves so we can compare it to the Bible we are using now to see the differences and similarities? If No, then are you willing to be honest enough to admit it? Thank you.

What then happens about 95% of the time is that this person gets very uncomfortable because they know that they really do not believe in an infallible Bible and so they avoid answering the question and they dodge it. They act like they didn’t hear you and keep on posting about some other point or else they try to change the subject. But they won’t answer the questions.

Only about 5% of the people will actually admit that they do not believe that any Bible is the infallible words of God. But they usually do it in a sneaky and subtil way so as to try to give you the impression that they really do. They will generally say something like: “No, I don’t believe that any TRANSLATION is the infallible words of God. They all have mistakes and errors in them. We really can’t fully express nuances of the Hebrew and Greek in English or other languages.”

You see, they are trying to make you think that they actually have an “untranslated” or “original languages” Bible that they DO believe is the complete and inerrant words of God. But they don’t, and once again, they know they don’t. Just ask them to SHOW you this “original language Bible” they profess to believe is the inerrant words of God. They simply won’t and can’t do it.

What you will usually hear from these people whom I call “Bible agnostics” (“a” = not, and “gnostic” = to know) or unbelievers in the infallibility of the Scriptures are typically one or two different statements.

#1. “Only the originals are inspired and inerrant.” Notice they use a present tense verb here - ARE- when they tell us that “only the originals ARE inspired.” They have never seen a single word of these long lost “originals” a day in their lives and most of them couldn’t read them if they had them. So they end up professing a faith in something that they not only have never seen, but that they KNOW does not exist!



#2. “All bibles say pretty much the same things and no doctrines are changed.” This is one of their favorites, but it is completly false and shows just how little they really know about the textual issues involved and what the Bible Babble Buffet versions actually SAY.

To see some concrete examples of how very different textually the various versions are - anywhere from 3000 to 5000 words in the New Testament alone and hundreds of words in the Old Testament - see Part Two of ‘Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. are the new Vatican Versions’

ESV,=Catholic Part 2 - Another King James Bible Believer

And there most definitely ARE some fundamental Doctrines of the Faith that have been changed, weakened or even perverted in all the modern versions. Here are several of these changed doctrines you can take a look at -

Perverted Doctrines MVs - Another King James Bible Believer

To summarize - First, those who call us “Bible Thumpers” or even “idolaters” do so out of a need to feel better and superior about themselves and to justify their own unbelief in the infallibility of The Bible - ANY Bible.

And secondly, we King James Bible believers are NOT idolaters, but we worship our Creator God and our Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, in both spirit and in truth.

We love the words of God and have a deep reverence for them because we believe this is the attitude and spirit God wants us to have towards His words.

“If a man love me, he will keep my words.” John 14:23

“but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.” Isaiah 66:2

“for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” Psalms 138:2

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16

All of grace, believing The Book - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Will Kinney

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I personally have several translations that I use. I mostly use them for clarification or wording phrases. I am not really loyal to any version really. I do use a NKJV...that's just preference on my part. Besides, it fits my hands and is a comfortable size print without being bulky. If I have to look up a word occasionally in the NKJV it is worth it to me to pull out a dictionary and look up a word or two. Countless thousands have gone through the trouble to produce the original and I believe God does not really approve of a lazy Christian who can't take the time research and explore His word. I do think a few versions are really watered down.
 
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i admit it; i worship the word of god
 
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Are King James Bible believers "Idolaters"?
To see some concrete examples of how very different textually the various versions are - anywhere from 3000 to 5000 words in the New Testament alone and hundreds of words in the Old Testament - see Part Two of ‘Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. are the new Vatican Versions’
ESV,=Catholic Part 2 - Another King James Bible Believer
And there most definitely ARE some fundamental Doctrines of the Faith that have been changed, weakened or even perverted in all the modern versions. Here are several of these changed doctrines you can take a look at -
The KJV translators on the topic of Bible burning of medieval and early modern Catholics:

THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER. (1769)
"No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the sun, where apostles or apostolic men--that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God's spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility--had not their hand? The Romanists therefore, in refusing to hear, and daring to burn the word translated, did no less than despite the Spirit of grace, from whom originally it proceeded, and whose sense and meaning, as well as man's weakness would enable, it did express."

Matt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

KJV-onlyism is the same as medieval European Catholicism: same methods, different target.

<b>[video=youtube;r5T2aqbyxuA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T2aqbyxuA[/video]
 
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I personally have several translations that I use. I mostly use them for clarification or wording phrases. I am not really loyal to any version really. I do use a NKJV...that's just preference on my part. Besides, it fits my hands and is a comfortable size print without being bulky. If I have to look up a word occasionally in the NKJV it is worth it to me to pull out a dictionary and look up a word or two. Countless thousands have gone through the trouble to produce the original and I believe God does not really approve of a lazy Christian who can't take the time research and explore His word. I do think a few versions are really watered down.

Hi Anonimous. Yet even though you "use" several different versions, you still don't believe that any Bible in any language IS the complete and infallible words of God. You are like most Christians today in this respect. You may or may not be interested, but if you are, here are some very good reasons why the NKJV is not the infallible words of God at all. It is a very poor substitute, though not as bad and far off base as the Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV,NASB stuff.

Is the NKJV the inerrant and 100% true Bible? Not a Chance!

NKJV same as KJB? - Another King James Bible Believer

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8
 
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Beware:

The different "versions" all came about after very specific events. Names like Wescott and Hort could be named.
The biggest changes are due to which ancient documents they pull the gospel out of. Those who wish to know learn more about these 3 manuscripts.

Textus Receptus- All that the KJV uses.


Codex Vaticanus - used by new versions

codex sinaiticus- also used new versions.

important facts

There is only 1
Vaticanus

There is only 1
sinaiticus


the Textus Receptus?

Textus Receptus is based on the vast majority (over 95%) of the 5,300+ Greek manuscripts in existence. That is why it is also called the Majority Text.
Textus Receptus is not mutilated with deletions, additions and amendments, as is the Minority Text.

Textus Receptus agrees with the earliest versions of the Bible: Peshitta (AD150) Old Latin Vulgate (AD157), the Italic Bible (AD157) etc. These Bibles were produced some 200 years before the Minority Texts (like Vatican and Sinai) favored by the Roman Catholic Church.



an example of some changes?

Isaiah 14:12

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!



Isaiah 14:12

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!




Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


where else is Lucifer mentioned by name? NOWHERE

Does the name Lucifer exist in the NIV? NO

who is in his place?

Rev. 22:16

are there those who are of the opinion this is just some translational err? yes. Do I chance it? No.

Rat poison is 99% good food.
 
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Hi Praus. I am not the least bit surprised that you would grace us with a video by James White, the Protestant Pope of the new Vatican Versions. I even wrote an article about your bible agnostic hero. Check out some of his "sound" scholarship.

James White - the Protestant Pope of the New Vatican Versions

James White P.Pope VV - Another King James Bible Believer

Next time you see him or write to him, ask James White to tell you where you can get a copy of that "infallible Bible" he SAYS he believes in.
 
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Hi Praus. I am not the least bit surprised that you would grace us with a video by James White, the Protestant Pope of the new Vatican Versions. I even wrote an article about your bible agnostic hero. Check out some of his "sound" scholarship.

James White - the Protestant Pope of the New Vatican Versions

Next time you see him or write to him, ask James White to tell you where you can get a copy of that "infallible Bible" he SAYS he believes in.

He won't respond to you so you order me to carry your messages to him?
:confused:

The issue is the idolatrous and satanic nature of Bible burning, not James White.
 
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i guess every house have a KJV bible in their shelf. Are we keeping an idol in our shelf???

i do not believe KJV is the inspired word of god, its just a translation like any other. But by calling KJV believers "idolators", we are forgetting that we have a copy of KJV in our shelf too
 
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lol no. I like the KJV version the best but to anyone who says that the Word of God is defined by translation would be gravely mistaken.

Little trivial things like this always cause division in Gods Church. Take something like this as a microcosm for the bajillion other confusing half truth statements made by people.

For example. Anyone who reads KJV is an idolotor. Whoever made that statement is in a way agreeing with Christ by admitting their own idolotry, but to not be outdone(mistake) they say whoever reads KJV is an idolotor too. You see?

Kinda like the Westboro baptist. One of the main guys isn't nessecarily completley wrong with his personal doctrine. He just doesn't want to take offence for the cross of Christ to help others ('God hates fags' guy was a homosexual.) and so he acts like a fool and spews the hatred he feels for himself on other people, thus slandering the gospel of God.
 
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If a Bible, ANY Bible translation, isn't God authorized and God inspired, then it is an idol,
since it would be "man made." Accuracy is a human standard. Being inspired is God's standard.
People use a Bible as if it is an Academic Text Book that helps the reader become a Religious
Engineer. Sorry, but it don't work like that. There is a relationship most Christians have forgotten.
A relationship with God. God gave English speaking people the KJV Bible and they take it back to
the store and exchange it for something they like better. He gave English speakers what He wanted
them to read and they don't want to read it. If they want to read a man made religious text, God
will guide them through the milk and that's about it. He gave one Bible version to read from in order
to help the body be of one mind.
Rom 15:5-6 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another
according to Christ Jesus: (6) That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father
of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The reason the body isn't one mind now is because so many want to do "their own thing." To
read from a man made Bible and you miss the spiritual. It is God who gives the wisdom and
understanding of His word. If anyone don't want to read what He gave you, then its your loss.
God places His word above His own name. When He gave the KJV Bible, He gave a very valueable
gift and most today just turn their noses up at it and go after the man made. Do you honestly
think one will gain spiritual depth and knowledge with that attitude? Not a chance.
 
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i guess every house have a KJV bible in their shelf. Are we keeping an idol in our shelf???

i do not believe KJV is the inspired word of god, its just a translation like any other. But by calling KJV believers "idolators", we are forgetting that we have a copy of KJV in our shelf too
Hi Sanashankar. So, you don't believe the KJB is the inspired word of God. Wow! I am shocked. You're the first I've run into;-) So tell us, Sana, do you then fall into the category of the bible agnostics and unbelievers in the infallibility of ANY Bible in ANY language? Surely not, right? Then tell us very plainly if you can show us a complete and infallible Bible that you DO believe in. Give us a link to where we can see it, or tell us the exact name of this infallible Bible you seem to want us to think you actually believe in so we can see it for ourselves and compare what is the same and what is missing or added to our King James Bible or whatever version one might be using at the moment. Will you do that for us? Waiting to hear your answer. Thanks.
 
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lol no. I like the KJV version the best but to anyone who says that the Word of God is defined by translation would be gravely mistaken.

Little trivial things like this always cause division in Gods Church. Take something like this as a microcosm for the bajillion other confusing half truth statements made by people.
Hi Space. In case you haven't noticed, the church is already divided into thousands of pieces and you certainly are not going to put it back together into unity. There are those like you who do not believe that ANY Bible in any language IS the complete and infallible words of God, and there are the King James Bible believers who do.


Now, if you think I totally misunderstood you or am painting you in a bad and unfair light, then please show us a copy of this "untranslated" complete and infallible Bible you seem to want us to think you actually believe in. I'll even make it easier on you. You don't have to give us the Old Testament, which the Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. so often reject and ADD to. Just show us the New Testament copy that you honestly believe is God's infallible words and when others differ from it in text or meaning, then the others are wrong and your infallible N.T. is right. Will you do that for us? Thanks so much. God bless.
 
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this is really silly.
 
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this is really silly.


And you think this because if you faced this issue honestly you would have to admit that you are just another Bible agnostic who does not know for sure what God said and did not say, and you do not believe in an infallible Bible in any language, and you really don't care. So you just label the whole issue as being "silly" and that way you can feel better about yourself and your own "wisdom". Happy Trails.
 
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Are King James Bible believers "Idolaters"?

Over the years I have talked to literally hundreds of different people about the Bible version issue and whether or not there exists such a thing as a Bible in ANY language that is the complete, inspired and 100% true and inerrant words of the living God.

One of the charges I have repeatedly heard leveled against the King James Bible believer goes something like this: “You guys are idolaters. You are worshiping the King James Bible more than God!”

Allow me to address this charge of idolatry with two main points. First, neither I nor any King James Bible believer I have ever run into worships our Bible. I do not have an altar set up in my home complete with incense and burning candles where I bow down and pray to my King James Bible. I don’t do that, nor does anyone else I know.

I write in my Bible and get it dirty sometimes. I bend the pages and have spilled coffee (or worse) on it. I sometimes toss it in the back of my car or misplace it. I have even had to throw a Bible or two away because it was so worn out, and get a new one. But I can assure you, neither I nor any other Bible believer I know of worships our King James Bible.

I do however believe it is the infallible words of the living God whom I DO worship.

Secondly, what I have found over the years is that the persons who label us King James Bible believers as being “idolaters” without exception are professing Christians who themselves do not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS or ever was the complete, infallible and 100% true words of God. Without exception.

They could not show you a copy of what they believe to be the infallible words of God if their life depended on it, and they know it.

Most of them do not want to face the FACT that they simply do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible - ANY Bible in any language, including “the” Hebrew and Greek. So, in order to feel better about themselves and to attempt to justify their own position of unbelief in the infallibility of the Bible, they accuse the King James Bible believer of Idolatry and say he or she is worshiping the Bible instead of or more than God.

I always ask these people who accuse the KJB believer of “idolatry” these simple, straight forward questions. They are very logical and fundamental questions to ask anyone who professes to be a Christian and is discussing the Bible or quoting its verses in an effort to make some point or teach us something.

The questions go like this: “Do you personally believe that there is such a thing as a Bible in ANY language that is the complete (66 books in a single volume), inspired and 100% true and inerrant words of God? And when other versions or translations differ from your “inerrant Bible” either in the TEXTS or in the meanings, then the other versions are wrong and yours is right? Yes or No?

If Yes, then can you please give us the specific name of this infallible Bible you say you believe in or give us a link to where we can see it for ourselves so we can compare it to the Bible we are using now to see the differences and similarities? If No, then are you willing to be honest enough to admit it? Thank you.

What then happens about 95% of the time is that this person gets very uncomfortable because they know that they really do not believe in an infallible Bible and so they avoid answering the question and they dodge it. They act like they didn’t hear you and keep on posting about some other point or else they try to change the subject. But they won’t answer the questions.

Only about 5% of the people will actually admit that they do not believe that any Bible is the infallible words of God. But they usually do it in a sneaky and subtil way so as to try to give you the impression that they really do. They will generally say something like: “No, I don’t believe that any TRANSLATION is the infallible words of God. They all have mistakes and errors in them. We really can’t fully express nuances of the Hebrew and Greek in English or other languages.”

You see, they are trying to make you think that they actually have an “untranslated” or “original languages” Bible that they DO believe is the complete and inerrant words of God. But they don’t, and once again, they know they don’t. Just ask them to SHOW you this “original language Bible” they profess to believe is the inerrant words of God. They simply won’t and can’t do it.

What you will usually hear from these people whom I call “Bible agnostics” (“a” = not, and “gnostic” = to know) or unbelievers in the infallibility of the Scriptures are typically one or two different statements.

#1. “Only the originals are inspired and inerrant.” Notice they use a present tense verb here - ARE- when they tell us that “only the originals ARE inspired.” They have never seen a single word of these long lost “originals” a day in their lives and most of them couldn’t read them if they had them. So they end up professing a faith in something that they not only have never seen, but that they KNOW does not exist!



#2. “All bibles say pretty much the same things and no doctrines are changed.” This is one of their favorites, but it is completly false and shows just how little they really know about the textual issues involved and what the Bible Babble Buffet versions actually SAY.

To see some concrete examples of how very different textually the various versions are - anywhere from 3000 to 5000 words in the New Testament alone and hundreds of words in the Old Testament - see Part Two of ‘Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. are the new Vatican Versions’

ESV,=Catholic Part 2 - Another King James Bible Believer

And there most definitely ARE some fundamental Doctrines of the Faith that have been changed, weakened or even perverted in all the modern versions. Here are several of these changed doctrines you can take a look at -

Perverted Doctrines MVs - Another King James Bible Believer

To summarize - First, those who call us “Bible Thumpers” or even “idolaters” do so out of a need to feel better and superior about themselves and to justify their own unbelief in the infallibility of The Bible - ANY Bible.

And secondly, we King James Bible believers are NOT idolaters, but we worship our Creator God and our Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, in both spirit and in truth.

We love the words of God and have a deep reverence for them because we believe this is the attitude and spirit God wants us to have towards His words.

“If a man love me, he will keep my words.” John 14:23

“but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.” Isaiah 66:2

“for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” Psalms 138:2

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16

All of grace, believing The Book - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Will Kinney

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1 john 2:26 i am writing this to you about those who are trying to decieve you.
but as for you christ has poured out his spirit on you.
As long as his spirit remains in you.
you do not need anyone to teach you. For his spirit teaches you about everything and what he teaches is true, not false.
Obey the spirits teachings, then and stay in union with christ.
yes my children remain in union with him so that when he apears we may be full of courage and need not hide in shame from him on the day he comes.
You do know that christ is righteous; You should know then, that everyone who does what is is right is gods child.
 
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You don't need to have a physical altar to be an idolater. You don't need to have an actual altar with the KJV Bible on it to commit the sin of idolatry.To believe only one Bible in one single translation is the word of God, is a little too idolatrous in my opinion,yes. Why do I feel this way? Because it limits God. God is not limited by language barriers, or understanding barriers. Not everyone in the world can speak English, and not everyone has had the opportunity to have a KJV even in English speaking countries. When I first became a Christian, I started reading an NIV Bible (in Spanish) and guess what? I didn't learn any heresies, nor was my salvation affected by it, unless by affected you mean greatly blessed by it.

I really find this topic not worthy of our worries. People in North Korea, China, Iran, and other countries would die to get a Bible in any translation available! and here there are some people too worried about one proclaiming one single translation as the Word of God. I do not despie the KJV, but really....there are other versions that are good as well. I personally prefer the NKJV or the NIV or the ESV. As for Spanish versions, I read the Reina Valera 1960 mostly. While I believe there are versions that we shouldn't read as authoritative , like the ones that merely paraphrase, but I would be careful not to disregard other Bibles that God has used for the salvation of many. The KJV is good, but I also think there are other versions that are a blessing to us.
 
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danschance

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Some KJV ONLY nuts are idolaters. They claim God to be foremost but their posts are constantly focused in on how the KJV is perfect and inspired. They claim God is God but only mention God as a foot note.

It is not what you say that is important. It is what you do that counts!
 
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And you think this because if you faced this issue honestly you would have to admit that you are just another Bible agnostic who does not know for sure what God said and did not say, and you do not believe in an infallible Bible in any language, and you really don't care.
It's getting harder and harder with each post to believe that you take the King James Bible seriously... :rolleyes:

Prov 6:16 ¶ These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.