1 corinthians 5:1-13

GingerFollowerofChrist · Sep 7, 2013

[h=3]1 Corinthians 5[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Dealing With a Case of Incest[/h]5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

There has been great confusion over this passage. Some people think it's talking to the church but also family as well. I find no such instructions in the context of what is being said though. Paul never addressed the father/husband of the two who had incest together. Paul was dealing with the church. So what are your thoughts about this?

I'm trying to learn this passage because some of my family members are mentioned in what not to associate with and they are pronounced believers.

mystdancer50 · Sep 7, 2013

I believe he is speaking to the church. He is telling them to beware of using 'grace' and 'love' as an excuse to allow sexual immorality in the church. And, yes, the church does this very thing today. It is running rampant, in fact, as most churches don't deal with sin anymore, just speak love and grace and acceptance, while the members of the church do whatever they feel is right in the moment, including rampant sexual immorality.

Sorry...this is a huge issue with me lately.

GingerFollowerofChrist · Sep 7, 2013

I'm trying to learn Mystdancer50 so please don't feel like you're saying to much. I'm looking for understand so that i can appropriately obey.

p_rehbein · Sep 7, 2013

some thoughts..........yes, Paul is speaking to the church at Corinth, yet this lesson is just as applicable to a believer's family as well. Why should it not be? If we are unable to keep our family properly, how will we be able to keep our church family properly? I believe this is also taught in Scripture by Paul, but can't remember the exact scripture at this moment.

another thought.........there are some who believe that this passage of Scripture supports the death penalty......particularly vs. 5)hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

just a couple of thoughts........God bless

GingerFollowerofChrist · Sep 7, 2013

I understand how this could be related to family but what is Paul addressing here and who is it to?

Does he address the father with what to do with the two who comitted sexual immorality? What does Paul tell him to do? Nothing specifically from what i think. But what i find is that this is for the church body/community for them not to associate with them. I can see how this would work and it is within context.

If this man who has been cheated on was to not associate with his wife how then could he love her and she love him according to the bible when it states something like you're your partners body and the other. How can this fit but not to associate? This is why i think it makes more sense for it to be a community church type deal and not instructions for family specifically as of now. I'm trying to not be hostile towards this way of thinking but this is what makes sense within context.

Not to mention the eating thing at verse 11 with the previous scripture in verse 8 talking about a festival. In festivals they would eat together in fellowship.

What are your thoughts?

4enlightment · Sep 7, 2013

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled (The followers that are in Corinth) and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.( This verse is implying that this person will go through suffering until they has become more understanding about the pain that they have caused, and which satan is the one that will torture this person)
6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? ( There sinful behavior can lead to more sinful behavior)7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler (This is referring to the ones that pretending to be Christians, but they are Antichrist or double-minded). Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church (The ones that aren't Christians)? Are you not to judge those inside?13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

Isaiah 54:16
“See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to wreak havoc;

Exodus 12:23
When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the door frame and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

Jeremiah 6:26Put on sackcloth, my people, and roll in ashes; mourn with bitter wailing as for an only son, for suddenly the destroyer will come upon us.

Hebrews 11:28By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.

Job 1 9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has,and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

2 Samuel 24:16
When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the Lord was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.

Judges 2:18Whenever the Lord raised up a judge for them, he was with the judge and saved them out of the hands of their enemies as long as the judge lived; for the Lord relented because of their groaning under those who oppressed and afflicted them.

Matthew 18:34In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

God use satan to purify us even-though satan doesn't know that he is doing the will of God. satan is just waiting to sink his claws in us and not thinking about what going on around him.

1 Peter 5:8Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

mystdancer50 · Sep 7, 2013

I think that he is speaking with the two committing the adultery, alongside the church. I don't know if the man is aware of what is happening, though he may be aware and that would be a different thing entirely.

If the man wasn't aware, the two committing adultery are the two that are to be cast out so that they can see the truth about the sinfulness of their actions.

If the man is aware and is not putting a stop to it or confronting them, then all three are guilty and need to be put out of the church.

In 2 Corinthians, the church goes more extreme, having set the man out of the church, and then refusing to let him back in, though he changed and repented. Once one turns from their sin and repents, they are forgiven and are to be forgiven by us as well. The issue was that sexual immorality was being allowed in the church and the church was congratulating themselves on being loving and accepting and merciful, when the sin needed to be dealt with. Then, once they did as Paul said, they prided themselves on keeping the man out, when, in truth, the time had come to allow him back in, as the sin had been dealt with, the man repented and brought back to right relationship with Christ, and should then be allowed back into the body of Christ, which is the true example of grace, love and mercy.

2 Corinthians 2:5-11

Also, it is believed that the woman the man was with was his stepmother, not his birth mother, and that they could very well have been living together or married, which means the father wasn't even in the picture at all, either gone or passed away.

nathan3 · Sep 7, 2013

Don't mind the funny picture of Christ. Just use the study for chapter 5 Gingerfollowerofchrist

> 1 Corinthians <

GingerFollowerofChrist · Sep 7, 2013

Thanks for that article Nathan3 but it didn't cover the family portion though.

My family partakes in some of the things list above. What should i do being a child of my parents? Does this not eating with them pertain to the people who aren't in immediate contact? Am i suppose to move and be homeless to not associate with them?

nathan3 · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

maybe try this study. Not sure the right time in the videos for chapter 5, But take a look

Just Thoughts The Book of 1st Corinthians Part 1 2013 - YouTube

TannarDarr · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

Some young man stole his daddy's wife and was doing the nasty with her. Apparently he was getting some attaboys for it. Paul told them that wasn't appropriate behavior.

You'll notice that Paul gave suggestions, but not orders. He did NOT overwrite the authority of the church elders on the topic, but rather tried to guide them..

And you'll notice in 2 Cor the issue was resolved.

Some concern over, "hand him over so satan destroys the flesh so the spirit may be saved...."

Remember Paul taught the flesh had some control over us. And he said HE, himself and others, were no longer in the flesh. Rom 7:5ish.
The boasting part, you can't be sure if they were boasting of the young man's exploits in bed, or if the boasting is a second issue the church was plagued with. It could mean either way, grammatically.

The part about judging those outside the church is a passage 98.99 % of the people in the church freely ignore. They do it constantly. Can anyone think of something in politics today that does that???? errrrr... perhaps the gay marriage fiasco????

Somehow they have determined that judging is their job, and if they don't do it, they aren't loving neighbor. :| What a bastardization of what is taught, eh? Those are my thoughts.

HOpefully I gave you more questions than you had before. Happy hunting.

TannarDarr · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

You have a brother who is sleeping with your father's wife?

If not, what do you think applies?

The letter was to the Church telling them how to live life IN THE CHURCH. It was for behavior IN THE CHURCH. Your personal family doesn't even apply to this section unless your brother is sleeping with your father's wife.

mystdancer50 · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

Prayerfully ask God if He wants you to stay in such an environment or if He wants you to move out. If He wants you to move out, find a roommate from your church or something to help you do so in a healthy way. If He wants you to stay, be the example that Christ wants you to be to your family. Either way, ask God and seek godly counsel from your pastor or another strong Christian in your church and line it up alongside the word of God and the words He speaks to you.

starfield · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

Pray for them, don't partake in their error but be a godly example for them to imitate. 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 is dealing with tolerance of sin within the church rather than home. Sin defiles the body of Christ just like a little yeast leaven the whole lump (1 Cor 5:6) and we shouldn’t close our eyes to it. Excommunicating the wrongdoer out of love may sometimes be necessary (1 Cor 5:13) so that they can repent.

GingerFollowerofChrist · Sep 7, 2013

TannarDarr said:

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people

This describes my situation. Not a brother sleeping with my mom. There are more examples than just the first problem that Paul talked about.

Thanks for your words mystdancer50. Please keep me in your prayers! I would really appreciate it if God answered FAST on this one as i am in need. I don't want to just keep going against in disobedience if something i am doing is not okay.

SpaceCowboy · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

You have to start with understanding who Paul was as a person to understand the types of verses that people put under the category of being 'church instruction.' His instructions were instructions because Paul was an apostle, but still he wasn't the pope of the early church or something ya know.

The church is just about Jesus Christ, and love for other believers. Christians are just regular people who happen to believe in the same God for the same reason. Paul is no different. He was a murderer. Remember that when reading his epistles and they'll start to make a lot more sense.

People know what they should or shouldn't do. The law of God is written on peoples hearts.

Don't do bad stuff. Do good stuff. Jesus name.

That's it.

GingerFollowerofChrist · Sep 7, 2013

starfield said:

That's along the lines as to what i keep on coming back to and thinking about. It's talking to the church. Not a at home situation. This is where i am at. So my understanding of them not associating with them is talking to outside family members being in contact. As Paul was writing this letter to the church.

Thoughts?

reject-tech · Sep 7, 2013

I think that means don't let them rub off on you.
Which might or might not include staying away from them, or hanging around them, depending on how vulnerable a person is to peer pressure.
Because association requires some shared medium.

4enlightment · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler

This verse is referring that the ones that claim to be with Christ are the worst of them all rather than the ones that aren't with Christ. It is okay to be in this world, but not of this world, because you must see the things that goes on and learn from it. One day you must be tested since you had branched from this tree, you need to see if you are not apart of this tree anymore. If you follow after them, then you are still apart of the tree. Even though if you were taken away from this tree in your early years, there's a chance that you will do the same acts which they are doing. I guess God want you to fully understand so if you are in relationship with someone that you wouldn't cross the line with that someone even if it is something that doesn't pertain what they are doing; nobody should never be put in a situation that makes them uncomfortable and maybe that is what God is trying to tell you; not to think for oneself, but think for others. After what you have been going through, you should never be thoughtless about others.

John 15:4Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

Romans 11:19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”

Matthew 4:20At once they left their nets and followed him.

Matthew 19:5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

Mark 10:29“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel ( This verse means that no one has left their memories and ways that they were brought up with)

Mark 7:5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

Mark 7:8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

SpiritofFire · Sep 7, 2013

GingerFollowerofChrist said:

It is not about sex with your father's wife physically. These are spiritual matters.

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