he that is righteous is righteous and he that commiteth sin is of the devil

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Apostol2013

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1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
 

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1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
This is a very strong verse to me, it shows me I am responsible for my actions. It shows me I can not walk in sin and honestly claim i am in the Messiah. I had a friend who when we read this book, basically told me his congregation did not read 1 John, and when we went over some of there verses they completely rejected them because they basically said this message was not for them, I was caught off gaurd by that, and dissapointed that their pastor was teaching this, because I nelieve 1 Yahchanan (John) is an honest reality check for all those who want to follow the Messiah no matter what group they belong to. This next reading really made me evaluate myself:

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:3-6, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not dkeep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked."
 

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John (the same John) writes the same thing a little differently here...

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
(Joh 15:1-8)
 

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John (the same John) writes the same thing a little differently here...

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
(Joh 15:1-8)
That compliments the prior verse perfectly. Those words contain so much beauty and command so much reverence at the same time. Truly our Father and His Son are prefect in love and righteousness judgement.
 
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1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
So to ask, what is the purpose of this thread?
 

Apostol2013

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The purpose of this thread is to see the different responses by a multi diversified number of people mostly for the edification
 

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This is a very strong verse to me, it shows me I am responsible for my actions. It shows me I can not walk in sin and honestly claim i am in the Messiah. I had a friend who when we read this book, basically told me his congregation did not read 1 John, and when we went over some of there verses they completely rejected them because they basically said this message was not for them, I was caught off gaurd by that, and dissapointed that their pastor was teaching this, because I nelieve 1 Yahchanan (John) is an honest reality check for all those who want to follow the Messiah no matter what group they belong to. This next reading really made me evaluate myself:

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:3-6, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not dkeep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked."
So exactly how did Christ walk? Upon baptism water, he went out and was tested by the Devil, not God. Jesus now had the anointing of God on him as John the Baptist stated he saw and testified to.

So did Jesus do anything or say anything on his own? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he did whatever the Father told him, through the Holy Ghost.
After he did his work here in earth and went to the cross, died and rose again, hung around resurrected for 40 days, and telling the disciples why all these things had to come to pass, he was going to go to the Father, and send us the Holy Ghost. At that time it was to them the Holy Ghost was coming, and the day of Pentecost came. Born again

Okay so today when one believes in the Christ, it is for the finished work of Christ, That Christ is the one that makes us righteous by Christ and we abide in Faith in this, as a banana hanging off the branch abides in the branch for life, while the branch abides in the tree and the tree in the nutrients from the ground all for life.

So it is the same for new life here and now in God, through the cross, death, burial as being our death to self, then risen life being our new life in the Spirit of God. See this Spiritually from God
It is all God and none of anyone else that has made new life possible
So either I can go on trying not to sin or I can see the finality of the cross, where he has made me perfect in him through Son and receive the new life, and learn to renew my mind into and unto Father's perspective. Spirit thinking not flesh
It is good to want to obey, it is better to believe God and thus the response is obey, without flesh pride in the way.
Love you, here is some scriptures to see
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (see that Christ is our mediator to Father as being perfect so if we sin we can go to Father and be taught by Father how we stepped out and back into flesh walk over the Spirit walk.)
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.

So yes definitely we should walk as he walked. But we can't, not without the Holy Ghost leading and we listening and doing as the Holy Ghost leads
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So today how is the only way God is worshipped?
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So don't we need to discern then between Spirit of God and flesh?
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

And we try to get flesh to behave, how absurd, yes? When it is in the Spirit that we behave to God, yet not us it is actually God living God's life through us, by belief.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 

Hizikyah

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So exactly how did Christ walk? Upon baptism water, he went out and was tested by the Devil, not God. Jesus now had the anointing of God on him as John the Baptist stated he saw and testified to.

So did Jesus do anything or say anything on his own? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he did whatever the Father told him, through the Holy Ghost.
After he did his work here in earth and went to the cross, died and rose again, hung around resurrected for 40 days, and telling the disciples why all these things had to come to pass, he was going to go to the Father, and send us the Holy Ghost. At that time it was to them the Holy Ghost was coming, and the day of Pentecost came. Born again

Okay so today when one believes in the Christ, it is for the finished work of Christ, That Christ is the one that makes us righteous by Christ and we abide in Faith in this, as a banana hanging off the branch abides in the branch for life, while the branch abides in the tree and the tree in the nutrients from the ground all for life.

So it is the same for new life here and now in God, through the cross, death, burial as being our death to self, then risen life being our new life in the Spirit of God. See this Spiritually from God
It is all God and none of anyone else that has made new life possible
So either I can go on trying not to sin or I can see the finality of the cross, where he has made me perfect in him through Son and receive the new life, and learn to renew my mind into and unto Father's perspective. Spirit thinking not flesh
It is good to want to obey, it is better to believe God and thus the response is obey, without flesh pride in the way.
Love you, here is some scriptures to see
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (see that Christ is our mediator to Father as being perfect so if we sin we can go to Father and be taught by Father how we stepped out and back into flesh walk over the Spirit walk.)
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.

So yes definitely we should walk as he walked. But we can't, not without the Holy Ghost leading and we listening and doing as the Holy Ghost leads
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So today how is the only way God is worshipped?
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So don't we need to discern then between Spirit of God and flesh?
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

And we try to get flesh to behave, how absurd, yes? When it is in the Spirit that we behave to God, yet not us it is actually God living God's life through us, by belief.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
How did I in anyway go against any of those verses by feeling responsible for my actions or wanting to evaluate myself? You see for years I (THIS IS ME NONE ELSE) was a "saved born again christian" that was a servant to sin. Until one day I said the most serious prayer I ever had, and 3 days later my life changed ( not getting into specifics but up side down changed) and realized I could not:

Yeremyah 7:10, "And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! to do all these abominations?"

i could not do that any longer, and this is when Yahweh began to send me truth and guidance, free will remains and if I sin I hold myself accountable, it is nobodys fault but mine if I transgress. If one dosent set their mind to obey the Spirit one will never obey the Spirit of Yahweh. Yahweh sends me strength to do what is right but dosent force me to do anything, the adversary tempts but cant force me to sin. certianly without Yahweh no man would have a chance, Romans 8:7-8 tell us one can not even subject himself to Yahweh's instruction with out Yahweh's Spirit, but that does not mean they then become an automoton, the strength is from Yahweh, the Spirit is from Yahweh but man can choose to follow its lead or reject it.I think there is a telling verses I want your view on, tell me do you think Shaul was accepting or rejecting Yahweh's Spitirt in this verse?

1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

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plané: a wandering​
Original Word: πλάνη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: plané
Phonetic Spelling: (plan'-ay)
Short Definition: a wandering, error
Definition: a wandering; fig: deceit, delusion, error, sin.

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say, then? Should we go on sinning, so that mercy and pardon may abound? By no means! How can we, who have died to sin, live in it any longer?"

1 timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times osome will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

Hebrews 6:3-6, "If indeed Yahweh permits, we will now proceed to advanced teaching. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, And the righteous, having come to know that which is spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the Prophets, the power of Yahweh, and the world to come, If they shall fall away, it is impossible for them to be renewed to repentance again. They have rejected the Son of Yahweh, and therefore are alienated from Yahweh."

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."
 
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By the same token and purpose for edification we do not go around pointing a finger at those we see living in sin and label them as of the devil. If it's a brother you see in sin, you go to them alone as a spirit filled believer, filled with the grace of God in your heart to restore them in the spirit of meekness. You lay your life down to restore them and not to condone or be a partaker of their sin. That is how a righteous believer conducts their behavior and steps toward a sinning brother and in most cases they get restored because of grace.
 

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By the same token and purpose for edification we do not go around pointing a finger at those we see living in sin and label them as of the devil. If it's a brother you see in sin, you go to them alone as a spirit filled believer, filled with the grace of God in your heart to restore them in the spirit of meekness. You lay your life down to restore them and not to condone or be a partaker of their sin. That is how a righteous believer conducts their behavior and steps toward a sinning brother and in most cases they get restored because of grace.
Very Scriptual brother

Mattithyah 18:15, "Moreover, if a brother among you sins, go and prove his guilt to him--privately between you and him. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not listen, then take one or two more with you, so that in the
mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."
 
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1 John 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Hebrews 12:6
because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Matthew 23:13
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.





John 3:1Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.


There are some that will not change or listen, because they don't have the spirit of God in them. You can't even try to get them to see the truth because they don't want to here it. Jesus had tried to stayed away from the Pharisees except for Nicodemus and Paul, because they had the spirit in them. The Pharisees were following Jesus around to prevent the followers from listening to Jesus so that they will stay as they are. That is why we aren't to go around forcing or putting fear in anyone head if they don't repent, because when the children of God know when they here something that is right, they'll show interest in it, because it light up something inside of them which they don't need to be force into submission because they know that it is right and they desires to do what is right.
 
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When we reference sin we seem to always refer to outward sins of the flesh that can be seen by others and judged to be sin. But what about inward sins of the mind and heart that deal with unbelief, idleness, omission and not being a doer of the word? What about the sins of the tongue that are associated with a lack of faith in the promises of God? The 10 spies that went out to spy the land came back with an evil report and later died of a plague because of that report in (Num 13:32, 14:37).
 
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When we reference sin we seem to always refer to outward sins of the flesh that can be seen by others and judged to be sin. But what about inward sins of the mind and heart that deal with unbelief, idleness, omission and not being a doer of the word? What about the sins of the tongue that are associated with a lack of faith in the promises of God? The 10 spies that went out to spy the land came back with an evil report and later died of a plague because of that report in (Num 13:32, 14:37).
Peter had lied by swearing that he didn't knew Jesus, but God know that we are weak. We all has to be strengthen spiritually, and once that is strengthen as it says that the outward of the cup will also be clean which that mean that it will be shown by our physical appearance.
 

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Now the children of the devill are manifest by their fruits ; 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. We must then refrain from doing evil and pray to be liberated from these things fervently in the spirit and work in all Godliness keeping clean even our inner thoughts not by our power but by the holy spirit , sometimes it means seperating from all ungodly counsel friends family whososver will be a hinderance for God to do his change in you that you may afterwards help those close to you
 

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You know, grace is an amazing thing. Because of my many sins I see myself as unworthy for God's love and sometimes wonder why he doesn't give up on me. I ask him how can you love someone like me who sins daily, you do not deserve this. But he always lets me know that he still dearly loves me. Because of how much he loves me even though I sin more than I know not to I feel a sense of freedom from the chains of condemnation and I can freely tell him how much I love and care for him even if I have just commited a sin I am not proud of. Being able to tell him how I love him makes me realize I am free from sin and can run into his arms.

I sometime tell God that my sin does not define who I am, it's almost like a building of glass. The inside of the building is me and the glass is God, the sin is the rain that can only slide down the glass unable to get the house wet. Umm maybe I could use a better explanation than that but if anyone gets it then my job here is done
 

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Once i remember in church i was on my knees praying in the spirit to God that He helps me forgive myself it is harder to forgive yourself i also released my unforgiveness towards others and that moment i felt my Lord before me and that moment i heard and felt chains drop it was liberating heartfilled i was balling that was my moment of one of my liberations it is good to know Jesus
 
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1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
How do we do righteousness?
Either it's by perfect obedience to the law OR our faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5).

So we see that it's Christians who do righteousness, in that their faith is counted for righteousness.

1John 3:8 says that anyone who sins is of the devil. To understand this lets define sin.
Sin is:
Blasphemy of the holy Spirit, Mark 3:29
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17
Transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.

Christians cannot be charged with these sins.

We don't blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
We believe on Jesus.
Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5
We're not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:24, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9. Hence we cannot be charged with transgression of the law. Remember, whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

Hence Rom 8:33 says:
Who shall lay any thing (even sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So we see scripture confirming that Christians cannot be charged with sin.
We've ceased from sin.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh (crucified), arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin

1John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1Pet 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Above we see there are 2 different groups described in 1Pet 4:18.
Group 1: Righteous/Saved
Group 2: Sinner/Ungodly

Above we clearly see that either we're righteous OR we're a sinner. You can't be both.

Either we believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness and thereby we cannot be charged with sin.
OR
We're in unbelief, seeking to establish our own righteousness by works of the law and failing to keep it perfectly, thus being guilty of all the law (James 2:10) and making ourselves a sinner. Such are of the devil, as 1John 3:8 says.


So who is it that sins and therefore is of the devil, as 1john 3:8 says?
It's those without Christ. Remember it's the sin of unbelief in Jesus that the world is convicted of, John 16:9.

How can a Christian make themselves a sinner again?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law),I make myself a transgressor/Sinner

Any Christian who turns back to the law to determine righteousness (this would be unbelief in Jesus) makes themselves a sinner. Such are of the devil, as 1John 3:8 says.
 
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Either we believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness and thereby we cannot be charged with sin.
So once you have faith in Yahshua no matter what you do its not a sin?This is "grace perversion" if I an reading you right because the Scriptures say different:

Romans 6:1-2, "What, then, shall we say? shall we continue in the sin that the grace may abound? let it not be! we who died to the sin — how shall we still live in it?"

Hebrews 10:26-30
"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will
judge His people."

Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."
We're in unbelief, seeking to establish our own righteousness by works of the law and failing to keep it perfectly, thus being guilty of all the law (James 2:10) and making ourselves a sinner. Such are of the devil, as 1John 3:8 says.
1 Yahchanan (John) 3:4,8, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law. He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the hworks of the devil."


So who is it that sins and therefore is of the devil, as 1john 3:8 says?
It's those without Christ. Remember it's the sin of unbelief in Jesus that the world is convicted of, John 16:9.

How can a Christian make themselves a sinner again?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law),I make myself a transgressor/Sinner

Any Christian who turns back to the law to determine righteousness (this would be unbelief in Jesus) makes themselves a sinner. Such are of the devil, as 1John 3:8 says.
No 1 john 3:8 says

1 Yahchanan (John) 3:4,8, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law. He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil."

I agree none are saved by works of the Law, however to say obedience is sin and of the devil? 1 Johm 3:4-8 clearly tells us commiting sin, which is the breaking of the Law is the sign that one is of the devil.

This is all cleared up very easily

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in
Yahshua Messiah
."

You can say Commandments it makes no difference, the Scriptures CLEARLY tell us what a saint is, and clearly tell us what one of satan is.

"saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah"
"He who commits sin is of the devil"
 

Hizikyah

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So we see scripture confirming that Christians cannot be charged with sin.
We've ceased from sin.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh (crucified), arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin

1John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
Yahchanan 5:14 (John) 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."

Not sin but dont call it sin, STOP sinning.