Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?
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okay, but so much worrying about the Lord's Name......and languages and stuff:
Yahshua is an argued transliteration of the original Hebrew or Aramaic name of Jesus commonly used by individuals in the Sacred Name Movement.
The English spelling Yahshua originates at least as early as 1950 with Angelo Traina The New Testament of our Messiah and Saviour Yahshua. The form Yahshua is used in some Sacred Name Bibles, including the Restoration Original Sacred Name Bible, Word of Yahweh and the Sacred Name King James Bible.
Yahshua - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
....are you sure you're not hooked in to someone else's traditions?
i dunno.
The Sacred Name Movement (SNM) is a movement within the Church of God (Seventh Day) in Christianity, propagated by Clarence Orvil Dodd from the 1930s, that claims to seek to conform Christianity to its "Hebrew Roots" in practice, belief and worship. The best known distinction of the SNM is its advocacy of the use of the "sacred name" Yahweh (יַהְוֶה), i.e. the reconstructed proper name of the God of Israel, and the use of the original Hebrew name of Jesus, often transcribed as Yahshua.[1] SNM believers also generally keep many of the Old Testament laws and ceremonies such as the Seventh-day Sabbath, Torah festivals and kosher food laws.
Sacred Name Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
so, as a gentile, who knows Jesus, you now know (if you were not raised as a Christian) that your forefathers inherited lies.
right? i don't know where your forefathers came from, but let's say....the Pagan Island of Somewhere. you now know that the traditions and religious stuff they do is false.
right?
the lie isn't about the Tetragrammaton...(we're all hung up about Latin letters YHWH with english vowels inserted)...it's about being pagan idol worshippers.
do you really think Constantine wasn't in the Lord's Plan for the Church?
well i guess the lesson is important, primarily regarding if it has already happened - wasn't it about the Apostles if not Jesus Himself?
if it hasn't happened, is it now gentiles (aYahdai?) wearing tzitzit ten men will take hold of, saying "We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you"?
because you said: "However the things of Yahweh are not of or belonging to the Jews, these are things of and belonging to Yahweh that he rejected. Certianly we should never become a "Jew" or "Hebrew" as then be follwing traditions of men."
well, i don't know if we disagree on much. do we?
i understand.
k...ttyl.
Yahshua is an argued transliteration of the original Hebrew or Aramaic name of Jesus commonly used by individuals in the Sacred Name Movement.
The English spelling Yahshua originates at least as early as 1950 with Angelo Traina The New Testament of our Messiah and Saviour Yahshua. The form Yahshua is used in some Sacred Name Bibles, including the Restoration Original Sacred Name Bible, Word of Yahweh and the Sacred Name King James Bible.
Yahshua - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
....are you sure you're not hooked in to someone else's traditions?
i dunno.
The Sacred Name Movement (SNM) is a movement within the Church of God (Seventh Day) in Christianity, propagated by Clarence Orvil Dodd from the 1930s, that claims to seek to conform Christianity to its "Hebrew Roots" in practice, belief and worship. The best known distinction of the SNM is its advocacy of the use of the "sacred name" Yahweh (יַהְוֶה), i.e. the reconstructed proper name of the God of Israel, and the use of the original Hebrew name of Jesus, often transcribed as Yahshua.[1] SNM believers also generally keep many of the Old Testament laws and ceremonies such as the Seventh-day Sabbath, Torah festivals and kosher food laws.
Sacred Name Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
so, as a gentile, who knows Jesus, you now know (if you were not raised as a Christian) that your forefathers inherited lies.
right? i don't know where your forefathers came from, but let's say....the Pagan Island of Somewhere. you now know that the traditions and religious stuff they do is false.
right?
the lie isn't about the Tetragrammaton...(we're all hung up about Latin letters YHWH with english vowels inserted)...it's about being pagan idol worshippers.
do you really think Constantine wasn't in the Lord's Plan for the Church?
well i guess the lesson is important, primarily regarding if it has already happened - wasn't it about the Apostles if not Jesus Himself?
if it hasn't happened, is it now gentiles (aYahdai?) wearing tzitzit ten men will take hold of, saying "We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you"?
because you said: "However the things of Yahweh are not of or belonging to the Jews, these are things of and belonging to Yahweh that he rejected. Certianly we should never become a "Jew" or "Hebrew" as then be follwing traditions of men."
well, i don't know if we disagree on much. do we?
i understand.
k...ttyl.
Fisrst I want to say everybody that uses Yahweh's Name is not part of this "movement" whatever it is, nor are they automattically "unknowingly following it." If you agree Yahweh name is Yahweh then one use of it may come from Yahweh revaeling it to them. Isayah 52:6, "Therefore My people will know My Name..." I do think it's possible the Name of the Messiah is yahshua, Yahushua, Yahwshuwa, or something similar. I have studied mant religions, sects, etc etc, I belong to none, truth is truth, period, even if a satanist says, the is a intelligent Creator thats the truth.(they might not know who it is, but there is one) Seeing as Yahweh, hundreds of times in His world speaks the importance of HIS NAME, I dont take it lightly, it is not a free pass knowing it, but He Himself said many times over:
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls." (and this is quoted in Acts, yet HIS NAME WAS REMOVED! BUT IT IS NOT OBSELETE)
You see all who translate replacing Yahweh's NAME are following the rabbinical decree, IN WHICH YAHSHUA CONSTANTLY SCOLDED THE PHARISSES FOR, yet I stand here (noy you, but many) portrayed as a "wanna be JEW" because I cast this pharisee practice in the trash. Is that not ironic? Also this practice REALLY took hold post Yahshua's time, certianly during also, but to fullness after.
Yahchanan 17:6, "I have manifested Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world."
The Messiah TAUGHT Yahweh's REAL NAME, however this truth is lost on most, disregarded as JEW JEW JEW or simply irrevant. This spirit can NOT come from Yahweh or Yahshua.
Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal"
Yahweh clearly is not ok with this.
So the word "vain" or "vanity" is used by Solomon and in it meaning means empty or emptiness. Could it be possible one is "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
Is it possible that one is taking His Name in "vain" by translating it as "the LORD thy God"
Again knowing and using His name is not a free pass or one is holier than thou, but in the same thought, not knowing using it may be a falsehood of ensnarement?
No I dont, I think it was a part of Satans plan. I could write a book on this but, Constantine took everyting Yahweh out of the religion, and incorperated everything Babylonian. Constantine continused to wear clothes with and to mint coins with "COMMITTED TO SOL INVICTUS MITHRA" for 30 years after his "conversion" and even made the holy day of SOL INVICTUS MITHRA law punishable by death, so to me this is not even up for discussion, I have done way more homework than this, this was the begininng of my coming out of mystery babylon. I searched many secular sources as to avoid ant bias against certian religious view, but my studies were nt limited to those.
You know I considered that this was talking about the Messiah as He taught PERFECT TRUTH, but I dont know of a place where he taught 10 men of all nations, possible? Also possible of the disciples? I cant say either way for sure. And also where it says "Yahdai" or "Jew" in most, but something closer to "Yahdai" in original, I dont fully suscribe to it being a "Jew" amy or may not be, this word in its root meaning, can mean "one who follows/worships Yahweh". So it may or may not be a "Jew", but none the leass will have Yahweh's truth.
certianly we dont disagree on all, again I dont care if the truth where comes from I want it, and I dont care where the lies comes from I dont want them.
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls." (and this is quoted in Acts, yet HIS NAME WAS REMOVED! BUT IT IS NOT OBSELETE)
You see all who translate replacing Yahweh's NAME are following the rabbinical decree, IN WHICH YAHSHUA CONSTANTLY SCOLDED THE PHARISSES FOR, yet I stand here (noy you, but many) portrayed as a "wanna be JEW" because I cast this pharisee practice in the trash. Is that not ironic? Also this practice REALLY took hold post Yahshua's time, certianly during also, but to fullness after.
Yahchanan 17:6, "I have manifested Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world."
The Messiah TAUGHT Yahweh's REAL NAME, however this truth is lost on most, disregarded as JEW JEW JEW or simply irrevant. This spirit can NOT come from Yahweh or Yahshua.
Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal"
Yahweh clearly is not ok with this.
So the word "vain" or "vanity" is used by Solomon and in it meaning means empty or emptiness. Could it be possible one is "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
Is it possible that one is taking His Name in "vain" by translating it as "the LORD thy God"
Again knowing and using His name is not a free pass or one is holier than thou, but in the same thought, not knowing using it may be a falsehood of ensnarement?
No I dont, I think it was a part of Satans plan. I could write a book on this but, Constantine took everyting Yahweh out of the religion, and incorperated everything Babylonian. Constantine continused to wear clothes with and to mint coins with "COMMITTED TO SOL INVICTUS MITHRA" for 30 years after his "conversion" and even made the holy day of SOL INVICTUS MITHRA law punishable by death, so to me this is not even up for discussion, I have done way more homework than this, this was the begininng of my coming out of mystery babylon. I searched many secular sources as to avoid ant bias against certian religious view, but my studies were nt limited to those.
well i guess the lesson is important, primarily regarding if it has already happened - wasn't it about the Apostles if not Jesus Himself?
if it hasn't happened, is it now gentiles (aYahdai?) wearing tzitzit ten men will take hold of, saying "We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you"?
because you said: "However the things of Yahweh are not of or belonging to the Jews, these are things of and belonging to Yahweh that he rejected. Certianly we should never become a "Jew" or "Hebrew" as then be follwing traditions of men."
if it hasn't happened, is it now gentiles (aYahdai?) wearing tzitzit ten men will take hold of, saying "We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you"?
because you said: "However the things of Yahweh are not of or belonging to the Jews, these are things of and belonging to Yahweh that he rejected. Certianly we should never become a "Jew" or "Hebrew" as then be follwing traditions of men."
well, i don't know if we disagree on much. do we?
i understand.
k...ttyl.
i understand.
k...ttyl.
even being raised as a christian I inherited lies, (not saying the prophey is fulfilled in me!!! no not at all!) and through much study and prayed was able to come out from them, if more remain, i pray Yahweh frees me of them. Just as an example, I can drive around and from the outside alone, see pagan archetechture and "monuments", actual "pillars of baal" on churches, seeing as Yahweh says He hates these pillars in His word do these going into the "church even know or care what Yahweh thinks? (This is 1 example but when you expose ANY of these lies that have crept in people hate you and would rather cast you off than see if it is true of not)
ok.
i really struggle with this issue. you say you don't believe your salvation is tied to knowing the true pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, but i really wonder sometimes.
Yeshua may refer to:
Yeshua (name), the Hebrew name ישוע, an ancient common variant of Yehoshua יהושע (equivalent to English Joshua or Jeshua).
Yehoshua, the Hebrew name יהושע (equivalent to English Joshua).
Yahshua, modern variant of Yeshua.
Yahshuah, modern variant of Yeshua.
so do you want old or modern?
okay...
here we are today, speaking to each other in English.
and we are reading Bible passages, in English.
here we read (in English) about the inscription on the cross: "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS."
it was written in: Hebrew, Latin and in Greek
John 19
18 There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. 19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 20 Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek
are we really trying to say that we are unable to know Jesus' Name in Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and now English (not to mention all the other languages of the world)?
why did the Holy Spirit make certain we knew Pilate wrote Jesus' Name in 3 languages?
shouldn't that have either been forbidden, or made clearer?
Acts 4:12
11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
is there any indication here at all that God has something against languages - GENTILE languages?
NO....The Holy Spirit is poured out and the Jews from the nations are hearing the disciples (Galileans) speaking in all those languages. about Jesus. about salvation...in all the languages from "every nation under heaven."
that's the whole point Hizikyah
we don't see anywhere that the Apostles tried to put the brakes on the Gospel to the gentiles because of languages - just opposite - they got supernatural gifts to TAKE THE NAME OF JESUS to the nations. this was a sign to the Jews.
the New Testament is Greek....please don't tell me you think that is of satan also.
anyways.....
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Exodus 3:14 Interlinear: And God saith unto Moses, 'I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, 'Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.' < click
John 8:58
57 So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" 58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
John 8:58 Interlinear: Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am;' < click
egō eimi
John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."
egō eimi
Acts 4:12
11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
John 19
18 There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. 19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 20 Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek
i really struggle with this issue. you say you don't believe your salvation is tied to knowing the true pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, but i really wonder sometimes.
Yeshua may refer to:
Yeshua (name), the Hebrew name ישוע, an ancient common variant of Yehoshua יהושע (equivalent to English Joshua or Jeshua).
Yehoshua, the Hebrew name יהושע (equivalent to English Joshua).
Yahshua, modern variant of Yeshua.
Yahshuah, modern variant of Yeshua.
so do you want old or modern?
okay...
here we are today, speaking to each other in English.
and we are reading Bible passages, in English.
here we read (in English) about the inscription on the cross: "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS."
it was written in: Hebrew, Latin and in Greek
John 19
18 There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. 19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 20 Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek
are we really trying to say that we are unable to know Jesus' Name in Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and now English (not to mention all the other languages of the world)?
why did the Holy Spirit make certain we knew Pilate wrote Jesus' Name in 3 languages?
shouldn't that have either been forbidden, or made clearer?
Acts 4:12
11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
is there any indication here at all that God has something against languages - GENTILE languages?
NO....The Holy Spirit is poured out and the Jews from the nations are hearing the disciples (Galileans) speaking in all those languages. about Jesus. about salvation...in all the languages from "every nation under heaven."
that's the whole point Hizikyah
we don't see anywhere that the Apostles tried to put the brakes on the Gospel to the gentiles because of languages - just opposite - they got supernatural gifts to TAKE THE NAME OF JESUS to the nations. this was a sign to the Jews.
the New Testament is Greek....please don't tell me you think that is of satan also.
anyways.....
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Exodus 3:14 Interlinear: And God saith unto Moses, 'I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, 'Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.' < click
John 8:58
57 So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" 58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
John 8:58 Interlinear: Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am;' < click
egō eimi
John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."
egō eimi
Acts 4:12
11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
John 19
18 There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. 19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 20 Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek
If you look at the Hebrew letters, there has to be some kind of "hey" sound before the "shua", so I know moder jews use Yeshua, but I think this is latching onto the ADDED vowel points of modern hebrew so my Yahshua may not be 100% accurate, howeve I dont see how it can not have the stuff I just mentioned. I will get to the other stuff now, I just wanted to say this, because theres alot to read that you wrote!
even being raised as a christian I inherited lies, (not saying the prophey is fulfilled in me!!! no not at all!) and through much study and prayed was able to come out from them, if more remain, i pray Yahweh frees me of them. Just as an example, I can drive around and from the outside alone, see pagan archetechture and "monuments", actual "pillars of baal" on churches, seeing as Yahweh says He hates these pillars in His word do these going into the "church even know or care what Yahweh thinks? (This is 1 example but when you expose ANY of these lies that have crept in people hate you and would rather cast you off than see if it is true of not)
we know about the one at the Vatican; Washington....everywhere. okay?
i know it's disturbing when your eyes are opened to that stuff.
but i think i'm just about done have a discussion with you on this matter if you're going to freak out about architecture.
particularly on christian churches, calling them of baal. you better be careful.
we have a very short life in this world, and if you think it's to be spent peering into hebrew letters looking for secret names, or examining every masonic symbol around you, good luck.
it's everywhere. get on with the Gospel. if you know it.
so unless there is a Scripture I have forgotten, we dont know that the Spirit of yahweh instructed Pilate to translate Yahshua's name in 3 languages. It could have simply been so people of different languages could see the romans had "killed" this one that was "stirring up trouble". As you know these murders were always a public display to scare others into submission.
And while I certianly dont believe the ticket to the kingdom is stamped and unchangeable, the verse does say "no other Name." It may be literally one Name, IDK, all I know is what the Scriptures say, so in that you may have to have an argument with your Bible? No trying to be rude, I just dont know what I could say here that is Scriptual besides this: There is a verse that says:
Romans 8:26, "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we might not know how to offer our prayer worthily, as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes for us, with groans that words cannot express."
Knowing I havehad prayers answered when I was using words that were not 100% accurate I can say this verse is true by seeing it myself.
With that said He only has one name, your name dosent change when you go to a different country, that country may have different version of that name, but you name remains the same. If a girls name is Lisa, she doesnt go to china and sing her name Ling Ling. I have heard this argument that its the same name in different languages but this is a foolish argument of man. When Yahshua went to those of a different nation I doubt He changed His name to match their local tongue. And last on this subject the "Jehoshua" is as accurate as "Jehovah" both are misunderstanding due to ADDED vowel points. Believe me I went through much uncertianty in studying this, but I felt it important or yahweh would have never set it in front of me.
And while I certianly dont believe the ticket to the kingdom is stamped and unchangeable, the verse does say "no other Name." It may be literally one Name, IDK, all I know is what the Scriptures say, so in that you may have to have an argument with your Bible? No trying to be rude, I just dont know what I could say here that is Scriptual besides this: There is a verse that says:
Romans 8:26, "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we might not know how to offer our prayer worthily, as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes for us, with groans that words cannot express."
Knowing I havehad prayers answered when I was using words that were not 100% accurate I can say this verse is true by seeing it myself.
With that said He only has one name, your name dosent change when you go to a different country, that country may have different version of that name, but you name remains the same. If a girls name is Lisa, she doesnt go to china and sing her name Ling Ling. I have heard this argument that its the same name in different languages but this is a foolish argument of man. When Yahshua went to those of a different nation I doubt He changed His name to match their local tongue. And last on this subject the "Jehoshua" is as accurate as "Jehovah" both are misunderstanding due to ADDED vowel points. Believe me I went through much uncertianty in studying this, but I felt it important or yahweh would have never set it in front of me.
Hizikyah,
i hate to break this to you, dear one. but seriously.
Yahweh is: an English pronunciation of four LATIN (Roman) letters: YHWH.
English vowels added.
you have no 'original' name there AT ALL - you have LATIN and ENGLISH. full stop.
i don't know what you will do now.
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i hate to break this to you, dear one. but seriously.
Yahweh is: an English pronunciation of four LATIN (Roman) letters: YHWH.
English vowels added.
you have no 'original' name there AT ALL - you have LATIN and ENGLISH. full stop.
i don't know what you will do now.
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So accoring to "you have no 'original' name there AT ALL - you have LATIN and ENGLISH"
then all our criptures are non-sense, which is not true, but if you change something in them then there is a problem.
YHWH, YH WH, not yahway, Yah Weh, so what about the hundreds of time He talks about the importance of His Name and the many times He says His people will know His Name, the gentiles will know his Name, etc and the over 6,823 HIS NAME IS WRITTEN, and pronounceable?
seems to me Constantine and you should be buddies, you dont want "Yahweh" in your religion.
K
The real name is Jesus, there is no other name that is above that name. So YHWH all you won't too. I recently heard a testimony of a man who was in the twin towers when they were hit. He spoke about how it was frowned upon to mention Jesus or any other religion at his work place. But, when the plans hit and they escaped to a stair well, he said I am going to pray to Jesus that He will help up. His testimony, he said many were atheist, but as he began to pray, he heard the voices and they were praying in the name of Jesus, even the atheist. HIm and his crew were saved from the destruction and He was on the floor where the first plane struck. So YHWH all you want too. I will call on the name of Jesus, He is my rock and my fortress, my strong and mighty tower and in Him will I trust.
Kerry, if your post is directed to my explaining how the Father's name is written and pronounced, it is only passing on information to better the understanding of all. Actually, we translate, not transliterate, Yahweh's name as I Am because this is the traditional translation.
The name of Jesus in Hebrew would be Yeshua, the transliteration from Hebrew, while Jesus is a transliteration from the Greek. The Greek name is a transliteration from the Hebrew, Yeshua.
Were you to translate the name, Yeshua, to English, it would be "The Help of I Am."
Why the panic about what name who uses? As long as the reference is to the Lamb of Yahweh Who takes away the sin of the world, it should not be a threat to you or anyone else.
Praise Jesus Christ, Whom I love to call by the name the angel gave to Mary, Yeshua. He is still the same Holy Savior.
Acting to cause further separation from the faith of the original assemblies of Yahweh is not fruitious at all, it lends to destruction.
The name of Jesus in Hebrew would be Yeshua, the transliteration from Hebrew, while Jesus is a transliteration from the Greek. The Greek name is a transliteration from the Hebrew, Yeshua.
Were you to translate the name, Yeshua, to English, it would be "The Help of I Am."
Why the panic about what name who uses? As long as the reference is to the Lamb of Yahweh Who takes away the sin of the world, it should not be a threat to you or anyone else.
Praise Jesus Christ, Whom I love to call by the name the angel gave to Mary, Yeshua. He is still the same Holy Savior.
Acting to cause further separation from the faith of the original assemblies of Yahweh is not fruitious at all, it lends to destruction.
I'm of the opinion these days that the nation of Israel itself shouldn't be the focus of God's Kingdom. It's about God choosing people as his own, regardless of nationality. That should be the focus.
Similarly, I don't look at the OT and its commands as "Jewish" things. I see them as the commands God gave to His people. So as part of God's people today, I see tremendous value in following those commands. But those things don't define my relationship with God, they are a part of my relationship with Him. If people feel lead to follow those commands, great. There can be tremendous blessing in them. There can also be tremendous harm if the proper perspective isn't there.
And if people don't feel lead to do them, that's just fine by me. That is up to God to lay that on their hearts, not me.
Similarly, I don't look at the OT and its commands as "Jewish" things. I see them as the commands God gave to His people. So as part of God's people today, I see tremendous value in following those commands. But those things don't define my relationship with God, they are a part of my relationship with Him. If people feel lead to follow those commands, great. There can be tremendous blessing in them. There can also be tremendous harm if the proper perspective isn't there.
And if people don't feel lead to do them, that's just fine by me. That is up to God to lay that on their hearts, not me.
Abraham was hebrew, Isaac, jacob, etc...
Melchizedek could have been... errrr.... which one, SHEM I think. It would have fit all the things in the timeline correctly.
what makes you think you are "filled with the Spirit yet"?
EVERYONE makes that claim. but I suspect few really are. Scripture says if you are, you are no longer in the flesh. Paul says that if you are indwelled by the Spirit/walk by the Spirit, you do not give into temptation.
Then you got this type of person, that claims they are filled with the Spirit so everything they say must be right. And if you disagree then you are "obviously" lacking the Spirit. If a person is "filled with the Spirit" there will be changes in the person's life, not in their claims. Sorry for my tangent, that phrase sets me off on the topic though. my bad.
a Sabbath day, is not THE Sabbath day. There were many types of sabbath/rest days, but only one SABBATH DAY. They are not considered the same or even in the same group of holiness.
Really? Like the elitism attitude of those who bash gay marriage and Catholics? The ones who argue denominational issues even though scripture says you shouldn't? The Elitism of those claiming THEY are spirit indwelled and you disagree so you aren't??? Those types of elitism? In debate parlance, that is called a non unique argument. Meaning it could be applied to ANYTHING and is thus insignificant for determining this issue.
I'm sorry you got your feelers hurt.
This is sad. YOu don't keep the Sabbath day for a reward. You keep it because GOD made it holy at the seventh day of creation. HE DID NOT SET IT APART FOR HIMSELF, it was set apart for Adam and Eve. GOD made it holy for us to rest and as a reminder to remember Him.
Do you buy your spouse a gift for anniversary or birthday? Well, you probably aren't married, but for those that are, WHY do people do that? Are they expecting something? Do they do it for a rule? NO, it's a day to remember them on, and you do it out of love. If you remember anyone's birthday and honor it with them, that is the same reason you would keep the Sabbath.
Are people who make big issues out of "works", and "sabbath day" simply trying to muddy the water enough so they don't feel guilty? I can ask more passive attack questions than you can come up with. It's not productive, so let's just stop here.
Melchizedek could have been... errrr.... which one, SHEM I think. It would have fit all the things in the timeline correctly.
what makes you think you are "filled with the Spirit yet"?
EVERYONE makes that claim. but I suspect few really are. Scripture says if you are, you are no longer in the flesh. Paul says that if you are indwelled by the Spirit/walk by the Spirit, you do not give into temptation.
Then you got this type of person, that claims they are filled with the Spirit so everything they say must be right. And if you disagree then you are "obviously" lacking the Spirit. If a person is "filled with the Spirit" there will be changes in the person's life, not in their claims. Sorry for my tangent, that phrase sets me off on the topic though. my bad.
a Sabbath day, is not THE Sabbath day. There were many types of sabbath/rest days, but only one SABBATH DAY. They are not considered the same or even in the same group of holiness.
Really? Like the elitism attitude of those who bash gay marriage and Catholics? The ones who argue denominational issues even though scripture says you shouldn't? The Elitism of those claiming THEY are spirit indwelled and you disagree so you aren't??? Those types of elitism? In debate parlance, that is called a non unique argument. Meaning it could be applied to ANYTHING and is thus insignificant for determining this issue.
I'm sorry you got your feelers hurt.
This is sad. YOu don't keep the Sabbath day for a reward. You keep it because GOD made it holy at the seventh day of creation. HE DID NOT SET IT APART FOR HIMSELF, it was set apart for Adam and Eve. GOD made it holy for us to rest and as a reminder to remember Him.
Do you buy your spouse a gift for anniversary or birthday? Well, you probably aren't married, but for those that are, WHY do people do that? Are they expecting something? Do they do it for a rule? NO, it's a day to remember them on, and you do it out of love. If you remember anyone's birthday and honor it with them, that is the same reason you would keep the Sabbath.
Are people who make big issues out of "works", and "sabbath day" simply trying to muddy the water enough so they don't feel guilty? I can ask more passive attack questions than you can come up with. It's not productive, so let's just stop here.
Sacred and Hallowed be the name of The Father of the families of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel
YAHAVEH
The Father of The Covenant that was made in Love through these families.
Who IS the the MoreNatural Spirit of Love that He IS.
The most powerful, positive, physical, force and might in both the negative and our positive universe.
The Creator of Life and the Source of Love
Who rules MoreNaturally in the Glory and Honor of the Majesty of His Fairness/Righteousness.
Always Has! Still Does and Always WILL, Forever and Ever: That's That (amen)
PRAISE BE TO YAHAVEH
JUDAH/PRAISE BE TO YAHAVEH'S SAVIOUR.
YAHAVEH
The Father of The Covenant that was made in Love through these families.
Who IS the the MoreNatural Spirit of Love that He IS.
The most powerful, positive, physical, force and might in both the negative and our positive universe.
The Creator of Life and the Source of Love
Who rules MoreNaturally in the Glory and Honor of the Majesty of His Fairness/Righteousness.
Always Has! Still Does and Always WILL, Forever and Ever: That's That (amen)
PRAISE BE TO YAHAVEH
JUDAH/PRAISE BE TO YAHAVEH'S SAVIOUR.
QUOTE:
EVERYONE makes that claim. but I suspect few really are. Scripture says if you are, you are no longer in the flesh. Paul says that if you are indwelled by the Spirit/walk by the Spirit, you do not give into temptation.
Then you got this type of person, that claims they are filled with the Spirit so everything they say must be right. And if you disagree then you are "obviously" lacking the Spirit. If a person is "filled with the Spirit" there will be changes in the person's life, not in their claims. Sorry for my tangent, that phrase sets me off on the topic though. my bad.
END QUOTE............
Now, I agree that there are believers who have not yet received the 2nd Work of Grace, that being the "filling of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit," known as "sanctification." However, the idea that believers here on earth can not have the indwelling Holy Spirit is not what I read in Scripture. Acts, and many of the Epistles of Paul show that we can receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.......This is most often accomplished by the elders gathering around a believer, and the laying on of hands, and praying over them that they might receive His indwelling presence.
Without His indwelling presence, we would NOT HAVE the Gifts of the Holy Spirit that He imparts to each of us as He will.
(my thoughts)
EVERYONE makes that claim. but I suspect few really are. Scripture says if you are, you are no longer in the flesh. Paul says that if you are indwelled by the Spirit/walk by the Spirit, you do not give into temptation.
Then you got this type of person, that claims they are filled with the Spirit so everything they say must be right. And if you disagree then you are "obviously" lacking the Spirit. If a person is "filled with the Spirit" there will be changes in the person's life, not in their claims. Sorry for my tangent, that phrase sets me off on the topic though. my bad.
END QUOTE............
Now, I agree that there are believers who have not yet received the 2nd Work of Grace, that being the "filling of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit," known as "sanctification." However, the idea that believers here on earth can not have the indwelling Holy Spirit is not what I read in Scripture. Acts, and many of the Epistles of Paul show that we can receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.......This is most often accomplished by the elders gathering around a believer, and the laying on of hands, and praying over them that they might receive His indwelling presence.
Without His indwelling presence, we would NOT HAVE the Gifts of the Holy Spirit that He imparts to each of us as He will.
(my thoughts)
hmm - if your saved, your sealed with the Holy Spirit, One indwelling, multiple fillings - apostles prayed over and over for the filling of the Holy Spirit, not that the Holy Spirit would come and indwell them again, so I would not say it's a second work of grace. You can pray with a group of believers, yes for the filling of the Holy Spirit, but it's not conditional to receiving a filling of the Holy Spirit.