Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?

[thecreationtutor]

I have been wondering this as some of the threads, and people I meet on the highways and byways. Isreal as a nation was from the Mosaic law and ceremonial law from the exodus on. Abraham, Melchizedek, Job, Isaac, and Jacob, Adam, Eve, Noah, Enoch where not Hebrew, in that sense. They lived out the revelation that God had given them at that time.

Israel was to prefigure Christ's coming, etc, but Christ is here, do we need to emulate life prior to Christ in order to know Him, or are we filled with the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things?

Col 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

If they want to celebrate that, have at it.

It seems however that it can lead to an elitism attitude, like they really know what it's all about from special information or something. I am not saying this is the case at all times, but it's definitely a possibility.

I went to a messianic service, and the pastor completely ignored me, but conversed with my friends who had Jewish backgrounds. He knew them, but I was completely new, and he didn't know if I was saved or not.


Is living in light of the revelation of the Holy Spirit, the inner man, so hard that we think if we do these Sabbaths and feasts etc we will know what the Holy Spirit cannot teach? Is that looking for a spiritual experience that fades away a day or two after the festival, or looking for the living active presence of the Holy Spirit who helps us worship in spirit and in truth as much as/as often as we desire?

 

[p_rehbein]

The OP brought this Scripture passage to mind.......

Romans 2:28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 .) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[WeStand]

I have been wondering this as some of the threads, and people I meet on the highways and byways. Isreal as a nation was from the Mosaic law and ceremonial law from the exodus on. Abraham, Melchizedek, Job, Isaac, and Jacob, Adam, Eve, Noah, Enoch where not Hebrew, in that sense. They lived out the revelation that God had given them at that time.

Israel was to prefigure Christ's coming, etc, but Christ is here, do we need to emulate life prior to Christ in order to know Him, or are we filled with the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things?

Col 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

If they want to celebrate that, have at it.

It seems however that it can lead to an elitism attitude, like they really know what it's all about from special information or something. I am not saying this is the case at all times, but it's definitely a possibility.

I went to a messianic service, and the pastor completely ignored me, but conversed with my friends who had Jewish backgrounds. He knew them, but I was completely new, and he didn't know if I was saved or not.


Is living in light of the revelation of the Holy Spirit, the inner man, so hard that we think if we do these Sabbaths and feasts etc we will know what the Holy Spirit cannot teach? Is that looking for a spiritual experience that fades away a day or two after the festival, or looking for the living active presence of the Holy Spirit who helps us worship in spirit and in truth as much as/as often as we desire?

What's wrong with you people? what a rats ____ pile; there is more than just The Holy Spirit that can teach one things; only problem with that is, there the wrong things.

I could point out all the ignorance in this post, but why bother when you all love your ignorance so much.

EX: Israel IS the whole world AT THIS TIME! not the land of Judeah where Israel was formed in its INFANCY.

If one truly buys into the falsehood that Judeah is Israel, then an infant one still is.

 

[JaumeJ]

In response to your question, no more so than they should be pagan. We are brought to the faith of Abraham by the Lamb of Yahweh, and treating our own understanding with this as a beginning point is never harmful.

I do not advocate the further separation of the Assemblies of Yahweh from their origins. There is everything right with recognizing the original tree into which we are grafted but there is everything wrong in thinking we, those grafted in, are better than the original. This is worthy of meditation.

 

[p_rehbein]

What's wrong with you people? what a rats ____ pile; there is more than just The Holy Spirit that can teach one things; only problem with that is, there the wrong things.

I could point out all the ignorance in this post, but why bother when you all love your ignorance so much.

EX: Israel IS the whole world AT THIS TIME! not the land of Judeah where Israel was formed in its INFANCY.

If one truly buys into the falsehood that Judeah is Israel, then an infant one still is.

Thank you for your kind words...........and for your understanding of Scripture quoted from Romans, Chapter 2.

God bless you this day.

 

[thecreationtutor]

What's wrong with you people? what a rats ____ pile; there is more than just The Holy Spirit that can teach one things; only problem with that is, there the wrong things.

I could point out all the ignorance in this post, but why bother when you all love your ignorance so much.

EX: Israel IS the whole world AT THIS TIME! not the land of Judeah where Israel was formed in its INFANCY.

If one truly buys into the falsehood that Judeah is Israel, then an infant one still is.

your post makes no sense, so please don't respond

 

[thecreationtutor]

In response to your question, no more so than they should be pagan. We are brought to the faith of Abraham by the Lamb of Yahweh, and treating our own understanding with this as a beginning point is never harmful.

I do not advocate the further separation of the Assemblies of Yahweh from their origins. There is everything right with recognizing the original tree into which we are grafted but there is everything wrong in thinking we, those grafted in, are better than the original. This is worthy of meditation.

not promoting thinking too highly of either branch - a right estimation of who we are in Christ and His Glorious Grace

 

[WeStand]

Thank you for your kind words...........and for your understanding of Scripture quoted from Romans, Chapter 2.

God bless you this day.

How shallow. Nothing to do with Romans 2, just your assumption.

 

[thecreationtutor]

How shallow. Nothing to do with Romans 2, just your assumption.

why are we so bitter?

 

[WeStand]

your post makes no sense, so please don't respond

Because you only know what mans religions tell you, Which is Not what God's Word says, though religion will give one all the half truths that one desires.

Don't tell me not to respond, its a public form. Don't like it, there is the ignore button, or you can formally complain lol

Straight forward facts, just like God's Word.

 

[thecreationtutor]

hmm - I guess in hind site, I have to believe that I can have as much God as I want, That there isn't second class citizens in heaven, that Elijah was a man like me, and that we are all of a like faith as the Apostles - as Peter said.

That's why it's all of God, it's all of Grace, there is nothing God saw in me that was redeemable, but He chose in His mercy to open my eyes to Him...

O magnify the Lord my soul, In my Savior I shall boast, in Him, IN HIM!

 

[thecreationtutor]

Because you only know what mans religions tell you, Which is Not what God's Word says, though religion will give one all the half truths that one desires.

Don't tell me not to respond, its a public form. Don't like it, there is the ignore button, or you can formally complain lol

Straight forward facts, just like God's Word.

I am just asking you to make more sense in your posts - if you can't make sense, then don't respond. Your first post did not make a whole lot of sense, but you just went on trying to restrain a bitter attack, which destroys any of your credibility.

If I am wrong and believing lies, then how are you any better by not even offering to correct Biblically, or even show concern for my soul?

 

[WeStand]

why are we so bitter?

Their you go assuming how I feel, no bitterness here, just a hatred of false teachers, that's all. But as a so-called Christian you probably think its wrong to hate lol

Oh, and i'm sure you can pull up some English verses out of context to make me look wrong, and pretty sure if you don't, someone will lol

 

[thecreationtutor]

Their you go assuming how I feel, no bitterness here, just a hatred of false teachers, that's all. But as a so-called Christian you probably think its wrong to hate lol

Oh, and i'm sure you can pull up some English verses out of context to make me look wrong, and pretty sure if you don't, someone will lol

Thank you for your condemnation, we can also think being a jerk, then getting treated badly is persecution as well, it's not

 

[WeStand]

I am just asking you to make more sense in your posts - if you can't make sense, then don't respond. Your first post did not make a whole lot of sense, but you just went on trying to restrain a bitter attack, which destroys any of your credibility.

If I am wrong and believing lies, then how are you any better by not even offering to correct Biblically, or even show concern for my soul?

Wasted effort, God's Word is not in English, though the textbook (Bible) can certainly assist ones study.

 

[WeStand]

Thank you for your condemnation, we can also think being a jerk, then getting treated badly is persecution as well, it's not

Think that you have your condemnation mixed-up, i'm the jerk, remember? lol

I've got no problem with persecution either, whether its righteous or not; so you should stop assuming things; especially The Word.

 

[WeStand]

By the way, its the title of the thread that I don't like and the false information, not you.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Think that you have your condemnation mixed-up, i'm the jerk, remember? lol

I've got no problem with persecution either, whether its righteous or not; so you should stop assuming things; especially The Word.

well, have fun with that

 

[WeStand]

hmm - I guess in hind site, I have to believe that I can have as much God as I want, That there isn't second class citizens in heaven, that Elijah was a man like me, and that we are all of a like faith as the Apostles - as Peter said.

That's why it's all of God, it's all of Grace, there is nothing God saw in me that was redeemable, but He chose in His mercy to open my eyes to Him...

O magnify the Lord my soul, In my Savior I shall boast, in Him, IN HIM!

Should be boasting The Father in and through The Son, not The Son lol

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems you already had your mind set before posing the question. My reply is how I believe, and probably a few others, but this would make no difference.

not promoting thinking too highly of either branch - a right estimation of who we are in Christ and His Glorious Grace