The Mystery of “666”

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So, do they have any Godly reason to give these letters a number or is that just some kind of "sorcery" men came up with to try and explain things?

Also, aren't the popes mostly named after disciples? How do their names come up with 666? Wouldn't the diciples names also be 666, and I wouldn't call them evil.
 
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yeah, but what does that number specifically have to do with any one person?

Sorry, I posted that right as Enoch posted his explanation. Hey, I'm wondering, where do the values for the different letters come from? Why is Resh 200 and Samech 60 etc?
because, he was a famous tyrant, and the book was written almost directly after Nero's "Suicide"

Numerology is code,Alphabetic systems
There are many numerology systems which assign numerical value to the letters of an alphabet. Examples include the Abjad numerals in Arabic, the Hebrew numerals, Armenian numerals, and Greek numerals. The practice within Jewish tradition of assigning mystical meaning to words based on their numerical values, and on connections between words of equal value, is known as gematria.
1= a, j, s; 2= b, k, t; 3= c, l, u; 4= d, m, v; 5= e, n, w; 6= f, o, x; 7= g, p, y; 8= h, q, z; 9= i, r
...and are then summed.
Examples:
3,489 → 3 + 4 + 8 + 9 = 24 → 2 + 4 = 6
Hello → 8 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 6 = 25 → 2 + 5 = 7
A quicker way to arrive at a single-digit "summation" is simply to take the value modulo 9, substituting a 0 result with 9 itself.
Different methods of calculation exist, including Chaldean, Pythagorean, Hebraic, Helyn Hitchcock's method, Phonetic, Japanese, Arabic and Indian.
The examples above are calculated using decimal (base 10) arithmetic. Other number systems exist, such as binary, octal, hexadecimal and vigesimal; summing digits in these bases yields different results. The first example, shown above, appears thus when rendered in octal (base 8):
3,48910 = 66418 → 6 + 6 + 4 + 1 = 218 → 2 + 1 = 38 = 310
 
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I'm partial to the idea of it being 616.
You may be partial to the idea 'Snail, but scripture records the number as '666' , there is no doubt about this, the number of 666 is represented several times in the Bible not just in Revelations as I have pointed out.


Both 616 and 666 give credible names of roman emperors who they could apply to. It is only meant to be a numbers game,
It's not a 'game', Bible says it is 'wisdom'.
whether it is 666 or 667 or 777 it doesn't matter.
It certainly does matter as 777 is God's number and 666 is man's number under Satanic guidence, I would say that is a extremely important difference, wouldn't you?


It could just as easily have been 777 or 49 or a multiple of 7.
Not for the antichrist it cannot be, that number is 666, God's number is 777.




There's nothing about a human trinity of perfection in the bible.
6 tripled (trinity) numerically is the value of human rebellion, by default this is viewed from the human perspective as perfection, in God's eyes it would be human imperfection as it is the human rebellion and independence from God, against God, this is represented by the trinity of six.
 
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That looks like a bunch of mojo mystical crap to me. No offense, but I don't see any Godly reason why people would do that. It looks like something a bunch of men did for fun to try and get meanings out of things that dont' really have any meanings. To me, that's the same as trying to use divination or finding meaning in the palms of people's hands, etc.
 
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That looks like a bunch of mojo mystical crap to me. No offense, but I don't see any Godly reason why people would do that. It looks like something a bunch of men did for fun to try and get meanings out of things that dont' really have any meanings. To me, that's the same as trying to use divination or finding meaning in the palms of people's hands, etc.
finding meaning in numbers looks like mojo crap to you?

Granted, people can come up with some rather out there and ludicrous ideas of what numbers mean, but that doesn't mean it is all mojo crap.
 
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Remember, not all alphabets have 26 letters. Also, I think Fox News is owned by the devil...in fact I'm 99.9 percent sure it is...lol. But yeah, you can do whatever you want with numbers. It's also like when people took the 20 dollar bills and folded them to make it look vaguely like the world trade buildings crashing and supposedly that was some sign of a conspiracy. But! I once folded a dollar bill into a paper airplane and threw it and it crashed, so that must mean that my dollar bill was showing me the future of a certain airplane that would later crash somewhere. Humans are awesome at convicning themselves of anything.
Cable news was a beacon of righteousness until Fox came along!
 
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So, do they have any Godly reason to give these letters a number or is that just some kind of "sorcery" men came up with to try and explain things?

Also, aren't the popes mostly named after disciples? How do their names come up with 666? Wouldn't the diciples names also be 666, and I wouldn't call them evil.
that's exactly my point, numerology is pretty much crap.

Popes, nor disciples are evil men.

it's just an inaccurate, occult system.
 
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So, do they have any Godly reason to give these letters a number or is that just some kind of "sorcery" men came up with to try and explain things?
It's not godly or satanic it's neutral. It's an ancient hebrew numbers game. Presumably it was done to disguise what the author really wanted to say. Afterall, they were living in a time of persecution, and politically sensitive times, anyone found with a document saying that Nero was the beast and anti christ and would be overthrown by Christ might be locked up. I agree there's no particular mystical meaning, the book of Revelations is called Revelations afterall, but we tend to treat it like some complex mystical document full of hidden meaning that rivals the stories of the Da Vinci code.
 
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finding meaning in numbers looks like mojo crap to you?

Granted, people can come up with some rather out there and ludicrous ideas of what numbers mean, but that doesn't mean it is all mojo crap.
It just seems so random to me is what I mean. Why does A = 1? Why doesn't it = 53? I don't really put a lot of stock in the power of numbers and letters, because all they are are human made markings that have an agreed upon value or sound. I don't think my name, Andrea, has any power based on the number of letters in it. It doesn't make me a different person than if my name was Amanda, it doesn't make me smarter than if my name was Georgiana, and if the numbers add up to 45 it doesn't make me any differen than if the numbers added up to 67. Really, I just dont' see the point in randomly assigning numbers to letters and then giving them some kind of special meaning or trying to discern a meaning from them. It's just shapes that we are taught have a sounds or quantify a specific amount of something.
 
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That looks like a bunch of mojo mystical crap to me. No offense, but I don't see any Godly reason why people would do that. It looks like something a bunch of men did for fun to try and get meanings out of things that dont' really have any meanings. To me, that's the same as trying to use divination or finding meaning in the palms of people's hands, etc.
Well than you will not be able to compute pseephizo, calculate the number, the word does not mean merely count or simply add up or enumerate, therfore it is not known only by gematria, it is computed, reckoned, there are more than one calculation factor. When you say 'mystical' the number 666 is indeed a mystical number, it has it origin in the mystery schools where it is known symbolically, it is indeed a secret symbol. The Bible associates 666 with rebellion against God, as do the mystery schools.
 
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It's not godly or satanic it's neutral. It's an ancient hebrew numbers game. Presumably it was done to disguise what the author really wanted to say. Afterall, they were living in a time of persecution, and politically sensitive times, anyone found with a document saying that Nero was the beast and anti christ and would be overthrown by Christ might be locked up. I agree there's no particular mystical meaning, the book of Revelations is called Revelations afterall, but we tend to treat it like some complex mystical document full of hidden meaning that rivals the stories of the Da Vinci code.
See, that makes more sense to me. It makes sense to me that they would come up with a secret code so that their letters can't be read or whatever. I was reading it that it was some kind of system they came up for predicting the future or other such mysticism.
 
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It just seems so random to me is what I mean. Why does A = 1? Why doesn't it = 53? I don't really put a lot of stock in the power of numbers and letters, because all they are are human made markings that have an agreed upon value or sound. I don't think my name, Andrea, has any power based on the number of letters in it. It doesn't make me a different person than if my name was Amanda, it doesn't make me smarter than if my name was Georgiana, and if the numbers add up to 45 it doesn't make me any differen than if the numbers added up to 67. Really, I just dont' see the point in randomly assigning numbers to letters and then giving them some kind of special meaning or trying to discern a meaning from them. It's just shapes that we are taught have a sounds or quantify a specific amount of something.
it was a code made along time ago. key word on "code" the best codes are completely at random, are they not?
 
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http://philologos.org/bpr/files/n001.htm

This was interesting, and I think this might where you got part of your explanation Cup. 666 isn't the MEANS of finding the name, it's the PROOF once the person is revealed. Like, we don't need to use it to go search for the antichrist or whatever, but when the antichrist is revealed, we can compare it to this and have proof.
 
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it was a code made along time ago. key word on "code" the best codes are completely at random, are they not?
Yeah, I understand now. I was just confused and thought it was something like palm reading, where this one line randomly means you are going to live longer, and these lines randomly mean you are going to have so many kids. Now that I realize it was a system used to code writings, etc, so people couldn't understand them, it makes sense.
 
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http://philologos.org/bpr/files/n001.htm

This was interesting, and I think this might where you got part of your explanation Cup. 666 isn't the MEANS of finding the name, it's the PROOF once the person is revealed. Like, we don't need to use it to go search for the antichrist or whatever, but when the antichrist is revealed, we can compare it to this and have proof.
I find that idea laughable, I think once the antichrist is truly revealed, no one's going to give a hoot about his numbers adding up.

also, that would not be proof as countless people (Even my full name adds up to "616") have that same code.

PS. I strongly doubt I'm the antichrist.
 
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Well, I mean, like I said, lots of people's names add up to that, and they aren't the antichrist. But when the antichrist DOES appear and is revealed, we'll know because of the mark of the beast. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. The antichrist will have the number 666, but not everyone who adds up to 666 is the antichrist.
 
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Well, I mean, like I said, lots of people's names add up to that, and they aren't the antichrist. But when the antichrist DOES appear and is revealed, we'll know because of the mark of the beast. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. The antichrist will have the number 666, but not everyone who adds up to 666 is the antichrist.
also, in the bible it said that everyone who is not with christ will be given the label "666"

which means it is simply used as a way of telling whose on whose team. (at the very basic)
 
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also, in the bible it said that everyone who is not with christ will be given the label "666"

which means it is simply used as a way of telling whose on whose team. (at the very basic)
PS. I like your analogy.

PPS. popes are given names that add up to 666 because the number "666" means worldliness.

it keeps the Popes from appearing to be holy, because they are still of this world. (and by no means perfect)

I know it's sort of late to explain that, but I did my homework.
 
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http://philologos.org/bpr/files/n001.htm

This was interesting, and I think this might where you got part of your explanation Cup. 666 isn't the MEANS of finding the name, it's the PROOF once the person is revealed. Like, we don't need to use it to go search for the antichrist or whatever, but when the antichrist is revealed, we can compare it to this and have proof.
I use alot of E.W. Bullinger work, he would be my main source when it comes to numbers in scripture.
 
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PS. I like your analogy.

PPS. popes are given names that add up to 666 because the number "666" means worldliness.

it keeps the Popes from appearing to be holy, because they are still of this world. (and by no means perfect)

I know it's sort of late to explain that, but I did my homework.
Actually 444 would be 'worldliness', 4 is the number of the world, 6 is the human number, 7 is God, 8 is Jesus.
 
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