The Mystery of “666”

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Cup-of-Ruin

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or... http://www.hebrewsongs.com/song-echadmiyodea.htm

Back on topic, I thought 7 was the number of completion and 8 was the number of new beginnings.
Seven - shevah in hebrew, means; to be full, satisfied, when God rested from the work of Creation, it was full and complete, good and perfect, nothing to be added. Seven is the number of completion, competion to the point of satisfaction and the fullness thereof. Eight is seven plus one, so it is associated with regeneration and resurrection, the beginning of a new era or order, i.e. Noah "the eighth person" (2 Pet. 2:5) who stepped out onto the new earth after the Deluge to commence the the new life and order in a regenerated cleansed world. Hence circumcision was performed on the eighth day.
 
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Graybeard

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#43
That looks like a bunch of mojo mystical crap to me. No offense, but I don't see any Godly reason why people would do that. It looks like something a bunch of men did for fun to try and get meanings out of things that dont' really have any meanings. To me, that's the same as trying to use divination or finding meaning in the palms of people's hands, etc.
Years ago I heard this testimony from this guy Roger Mac Dowell (not sure of the spelling)an American who studied numerology and had several degrees in it, he was very much anti Christ so he set out as his life ambition to prove through numerology that the Bible was contradictory and wrong......cut a long story short, he could not find fault and was totally amazed at how all the books/verses of the Bible tied into each other, he came to the conclusion that based on the studies he had done, that the Bible truly was divinely inspired and IS The Word of God....he accepted Christ and started travelling the world sharing his testimony.

so I for one do believe that there is very much more to numbers and their meaning than we realize.

....... I don't think my name, Andrea, has any power based on the number of letters in it. It doesn't make me a different person than if my name was Amanda, it doesn't make me smarter than if my name was Georgiana.......
Names do have meanings, why would God change Abram to Abraham?...or Saul to Paul? and there are others, so there must be a reason for the change would you not say?
 
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Carpe_diem

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#44
Whoever is not doing the will of God, is not pleasing to God but operating in the disobedient spirit of Adam (666). Peter was used as a perfect example of 666, because He still had the mind of Adam/sin of man and not that of Christ.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If anymanwill come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Peter was not yet transformed because the resurrection hadn't happened and thus the comforter was not yet sent.

Joh 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,eventhe Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

The first super apostles as Paul named them, didn't happen overnight. Do you believe those comments from Jesus pierced Peter's heart? OUCH! As we all do, Peter had to face and confront many things within himself that were false. Everything about the flesh of man (Adam) is false and everything about the second Adam Christ is truth.

Are you eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or the Tree of Life? One is of the father of all lies and the other is from The Majestic and Holy Father who is the Creator over all. Who's whispering in your ear?

My experience with the Holy Spirit has always been...just when you think you know, you discover how little you know.

His Workmanship,
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After all is said and done, I think that Satan IS a fox in that he tries to trick us into doing what we shouldn’t’ do, and as Genesis says, “…the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made.” Watch out and never let your guard down.
 
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Carpe_diem

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Yes Bob...Amen! However, you still raised a good question and one needs to be aware of who is who...listening to the Holy Spirit within the man, not what remains of the man...this is the subtly the Father speaks of in Genesis. The sinful nature of man is still being used via the whispers of the serpent/satan.
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
 
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Yes Bob...Amen! However, you still raised a good question and one needs to be aware of who is who...listening to the Holy Spirit within the man, not what remains of the man...this is the subtly the Father speaks of in Genesis. The sinful nature of man is still being used via the whispers of the serpent/satan.
Mat 10:16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
That is a beautiful Scripture. It is multi-dimensional.
 

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Vicarius Filii Dei (Latin: Vicar or Representative of the Son of God) is a phrase used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter. It also features in the argument put forth by some Protestant groups who identify the phrase with the "number of the beast" (666) from the book of Revelation and subsequently the Pope with Antichrist, based on the counting method (gematria) of Roman numerals.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Note that according to verse 17, there are three different characteristics that distinguish the beast:
  • his mark (of authority)
  • his name
  • the number of his name (666).
It might be argued by some that 666 must be applied to one man's name, and that this will then help identify him as the antichrist. I would offer the following verse to show that 666 need not apply solely to a man's name:
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
The same Greek word translated as name (onoma: G3686) that appears in Revelation 13:17-18 is also used in chapter 19:16, so clearly the word can also apply to a title, and not just one man's name. Now, we are told that it takes a certain understanding and wisdom to discern just how this number is actually applied. Based on the fact that 666 can apply to a title, below are several words and phrases that have been put forth over the centuries as probable solutions to the enigma of 666.

GREEK

The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can also be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 8.
The ancient Greek word for "the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS
L = 30 lambda A = 1 alpha T = 300 tauE = 5 epsilon I = 10 iota N = 50 nu O = 70 omicron S = 200 sigma ------------ 666 NOTE: Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church. Church Documents are usually published first in Latin, and then translated from the Latin into other languages. The association of "Lateinos" with 666 was first suggested by Irenæus (ca. 130-202 A.D.) who proposed in his Against Heresies that it might be the name of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:7.
Then also Lateinos has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence].
Source:
Against Heresies, by Irenæus, Book 5, chapter 30, paragraph 3.

St. Irenaeus biography online at the New Advent Catholic web site.


The ancient Greek for
"The Latin Kingdom" is
HE LATINE BASILEIA
BASILEIA is Strong's # G932The ancient Greek for
"Italian Church" is
ITALIKA EKKLESIA
EKKLESIA is Strong's # G1577 And in ancient Greek
the word APOSTATES And in ancient Greek
the word for "tradition"
PARADOSIS

Strong's # G3862
H = 0(transliterated) E = 8eta L = 30lambda A = 1alpha T = 300tau I = 10iota N = 50nu E = 8eta B = 2beta A = 1alpha S = 200sigma I = 10iota L = 30lambda E = 5epsilon I = 10iota A = 1alpha
666
I = 10iota T = 300 tau A = 1alpha L = 30lambda I = 10iota K = 20kappa A = 1alpha E = 5epsilon K = 20kappa K = 20kappa L = 30lambda E = 8eta S = 200sigma I = 10iota A = 1alpha
666
A = 1 alpha P = 80piO = 70 omicron ST = 6stigma*A = 1 alpha T = 300 tau E = 8 eta S = 200 sigma
666


* Stigma
is a now obsolete Greek character, but it appears in the New Testament in Rev 13:18 to give the value 666 (chi xi stigma - See Strong's Concordance, # G5516).



P = 80piA = 1 alpha R = 100rhoA = 1alphaD = 4deltaO = 70 omicron S = 200 sigmaI = 10iotaS = 200 sigma
666





LATIN



NUMERALNAMEVALUEIunus1Vquinque5Xdecem10Lquinquaginta50Ccentum100Dquingenti500Mmille1000


VICARIUS FILII DEI


THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of FILII - means son DEI - means God


V=5 F =no valueD=500I=1I =1E=no valueC=100L=50I=1A=no valueI =1--------R=no valueI =1501I=1--------U/V=553S=no value--------
112 + 53 + 501 = 666

112


DUX CLERI
translated means Captain of the Clergy
D = 500 U = 5 X = 10 C = 100 L = 50 E = no value R = no value I = 1 -------------------- 666




LUDOVICUS
translated means Vicar of the Court
L = 50 U = 5 D = 500 O = no value V = 5 I = 1 C = 100 U = 5 S = no value -------------------- 666





HEBREW

The numeric equivalents of Hebrew letters can be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 50.

ROMIITH
means the Roman Kingdom
R = 200 resh O = 6 waw (vav) M = 40 mem I = 10 yod I = 10 yod TH = 400 taw -------------- 666


The Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi)

"Vicar of Christ . . . Title used almost exclusively of the Bishop of Rome as successor of Peter and, therefore, the one in the Church who particularly takes the place of Christ; but used also of bishops in general and even of priests. First used by the Roman Synod of A.D. 495 to refer to Pope Gelasius; more commonly in Roman curial usage to refer to the Bishop of Rome during the pontificate of Pope Eugene III (1145-1153). Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) asserted explicitly that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ; further defined at the Council of Florence in the Decree for the Greeks (1439) and Vatican Council I in Pastor Aerternus (1870). The Second Vatican Council, in Lumen Gentium , n.27, calls bishops in general "vicars and legates of Christ." All bishops are vicars of Christ for their local churches in their ministerial functions as priest, prophet, and king, as the Pope is for the universal church; the title further denotes they exercise their authority in the Church not by delegation from any other person, but from Christ Himself."
Source: Catholic Dictionary, Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Editor, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., Huntington, 1993, pp. 484-485.
THE WORDS VICARIOUS AND VICAR

Now look up the word vicarious in almost any common dictionary. Here is what you would find in the Webster Handy College Dictionary: "substituting for or, feeling in place of another."
Also in the Webster's II New Riverside Desk Dictionary for the definition of Vicar-
1. A parish priest in the Church of England.
2. A cleric in the Episcopal Church in charge of a chapel.
3. One who serves as a *substitute* for another.
A Vicar General is defined in the 1994 Catholic Almanac on page 330 as "a priest or bishop appointed by the bishop of a diocese to serve as his deputy, with ordinary executive power, in the administration of the diocese." So a vicar serves in the place of (substituting for) the bishop, and assumes his power of office for certain duties.
So the Papal title of VICAR OF CHRIST which in Latin is VICARIUS CHRISTI, means a SUBSTITUTE FOR CHRIST, which is synonymous with Antichrist, i.e., assuming the power of God on earth! This blasphemous claim is made repeatedly by various Popes and is the very foundation of Roman Catholicism and it's Papacy.
Some Catholics may protest that the Pope represents, but does not substitute for Jesus Christ, to avoid the association.
Now, from the Webster Hand College Dictionary, the definition of the word represent:
1. portray; depict; describe.
2. play the role of; impersonate.
3. denote; symbolize; stand for.
4. speak and act for; *be a substitute for*.
5. set forth; assert.
6. be composed of; consist in.
Clearly then, Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi) and Antichrist have exactly the same meaning. The Pope substitutes himself in place of God on earth, and that is *exactly* the meaning of Antichrist.





ROMITI
means the Roman Man
R = 200 resh O = 6 waw (vav) M = 40 mem I = 10 yod T = 400 taw I = 10 yod ---------- 666


 
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Vicarius Filii Dei (Latin: Vicar or Representative of the Son of God) is a phrase used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter. It also features in the argument put forth by some Protestant groups who identify the phrase with the "number of the beast" (666) from the book of Revelation and subsequently the Pope with Antichrist, based on the counting method (gematria) of Roman numerals.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Note that according to verse 17, there are three different characteristics that distinguish the beast:
  • his mark (of authority)
  • his name
  • the number of his name (666).
It might be argued by some that 666 must be applied to one man's name, and that this will then help identify him as the antichrist. I would offer the following verse to show that 666 need not apply solely to a man's name:
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
The same Greek word translated as name (onoma: G3686) that appears in Revelation 13:17-18 is also used in chapter 19:16, so clearly the word can also apply to a title, and not just one man's name. Now, we are told that it takes a certain understanding and wisdom to discern just how this number is actually applied. Based on the fact that 666 can apply to a title, below are several words and phrases that have been put forth over the centuries as probable solutions to the enigma of 666.

GREEK

The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can also be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 8.
The ancient Greek word for "the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS
L = 30 lambda A = 1 alpha T = 300 tauE = 5 epsilon I = 10 iota N = 50 nu O = 70 omicron S = 200 sigma ------------ 666 NOTE: Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church. Church Documents are usually published first in Latin, and then translated from the Latin into other languages. The association of "Lateinos" with 666 was first suggested by Irenæus (ca. 130-202 A.D.) who proposed in his Against Heresies that it might be the name of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:7.
Then also Lateinos has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence].
Source:
Against Heresies, by Irenæus, Book 5, chapter 30, paragraph 3.

St. Irenaeus biography online at the New Advent Catholic web site.


The ancient Greek for
"The Latin Kingdom" is
HE LATINE BASILEIA
BASILEIA is Strong's # G932The ancient Greek for
"Italian Church" is
ITALIKA EKKLESIA
EKKLESIA is Strong's # G1577 And in ancient Greek
the word APOSTATES And in ancient Greek
the word for "tradition"
PARADOSIS

Strong's # G3862
H = 0(transliterated) E = 8eta L = 30lambda A = 1alpha T = 300tau I = 10iota N = 50nu E = 8eta B = 2beta A = 1alpha S = 200sigma I = 10iota L = 30lambda E = 5epsilon I = 10iota A = 1alpha
666
I = 10iota T = 300 tau A = 1alpha L = 30lambda I = 10iota K = 20kappa A = 1alpha E = 5epsilon K = 20kappa K = 20kappa L = 30lambda E = 8eta S = 200sigma I = 10iota A = 1alpha
666
A = 1 alpha P = 80piO = 70 omicron ST = 6stigma*A = 1 alpha T = 300 tau E = 8 eta S = 200 sigma
666


* Stigma
is a now obsolete Greek character, but it appears in the New Testament in Rev 13:18 to give the value 666 (chi xi stigma - See Strong's Concordance, # G5516).



P = 80piA = 1 alpha R = 100rhoA = 1alphaD = 4deltaO = 70 omicron S = 200 sigmaI = 10iotaS = 200 sigma
666





LATIN



NUMERALNAMEVALUEIunus1Vquinque5Xdecem10Lquinquaginta50Ccentum100Dquingenti500Mmille1000


VICARIUS FILII DEI


THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of FILII - means son DEI - means God


V=5 F =no valueD=500I=1I =1E=no valueC=100L=50I=1A=no valueI =1--------R=no valueI =1501I=1--------U/V=553S=no value--------
112 + 53 + 501 = 666

112


DUX CLERI
translated means Captain of the Clergy
D = 500 U = 5 X = 10 C = 100 L = 50 E = no value R = no value I = 1 -------------------- 666




LUDOVICUS
translated means Vicar of the Court
L = 50 U = 5 D = 500 O = no value V = 5 I = 1 C = 100 U = 5 S = no value -------------------- 666





HEBREW

The numeric equivalents of Hebrew letters can be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 50.

ROMIITH
means the Roman Kingdom
R = 200 resh O = 6 waw (vav) M = 40 mem I = 10 yod I = 10 yod TH = 400 taw -------------- 666


The Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi)

"Vicar of Christ . . . Title used almost exclusively of the Bishop of Rome as successor of Peter and, therefore, the one in the Church who particularly takes the place of Christ; but used also of bishops in general and even of priests. First used by the Roman Synod of A.D. 495 to refer to Pope Gelasius; more commonly in Roman curial usage to refer to the Bishop of Rome during the pontificate of Pope Eugene III (1145-1153). Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) asserted explicitly that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ; further defined at the Council of Florence in the Decree for the Greeks (1439) and Vatican Council I in Pastor Aerternus (1870). The Second Vatican Council, in Lumen Gentium , n.27, calls bishops in general "vicars and legates of Christ." All bishops are vicars of Christ for their local churches in their ministerial functions as priest, prophet, and king, as the Pope is for the universal church; the title further denotes they exercise their authority in the Church not by delegation from any other person, but from Christ Himself."
Source: Catholic Dictionary, Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Editor, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., Huntington, 1993, pp. 484-485.
THE WORDS VICARIOUS AND VICAR

Now look up the word vicarious in almost any common dictionary. Here is what you would find in the Webster Handy College Dictionary: "substituting for or, feeling in place of another."
Also in the Webster's II New Riverside Desk Dictionary for the definition of Vicar-
1. A parish priest in the Church of England.
2. A cleric in the Episcopal Church in charge of a chapel.
3. One who serves as a *substitute* for another.
A Vicar General is defined in the 1994 Catholic Almanac on page 330 as "a priest or bishop appointed by the bishop of a diocese to serve as his deputy, with ordinary executive power, in the administration of the diocese." So a vicar serves in the place of (substituting for) the bishop, and assumes his power of office for certain duties.
So the Papal title of VICAR OF CHRIST which in Latin is VICARIUS CHRISTI, means a SUBSTITUTE FOR CHRIST, which is synonymous with Antichrist, i.e., assuming the power of God on earth! This blasphemous claim is made repeatedly by various Popes and is the very foundation of Roman Catholicism and it's Papacy.
Some Catholics may protest that the Pope represents, but does not substitute for Jesus Christ, to avoid the association.
Now, from the Webster Hand College Dictionary, the definition of the word represent:
1. portray; depict; describe.
2. play the role of; impersonate.
3. denote; symbolize; stand for.
4. speak and act for; *be a substitute for*.
5. set forth; assert.
6. be composed of; consist in.
Clearly then, Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi) and Antichrist have exactly the same meaning. The Pope substitutes himself in place of God on earth, and that is *exactly* the meaning of Antichrist.





ROMITI
means the Roman Man
R = 200 resh O = 6 waw (vav) M = 40 mem I = 10 yod T = 400 taw I = 10 yod ---------- 666


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Cup-of-Ruin

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Vicarius Filii Dei (Latin: Vicar or Representative of the Son of God) is a phrase used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter. It also features in the argument put forth by some Protestant groups who identify the phrase with the "number of the beast" (666) from the book of Revelation and subsequently the Pope with Antichrist, based on the counting method (gematria) of Roman numerals.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Note that according to verse 17, there are three different characteristics that distinguish the beast:
  • his mark (of authority)
  • his name
  • the number of his name (666).
It might be argued by some that 666 must be applied to one man's name, and that this will then help identify him as the antichrist. I would offer the following verse to show that 666 need not apply solely to a man's name:
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
The same Greek word translated as name (onoma: G3686) that appears in Revelation 13:17-18 is also used in chapter 19:16, so clearly the word can also apply to a title, and not just one man's name. Now, we are told that it takes a certain understanding and wisdom to discern just how this number is actually applied. Based on the fact that 666 can apply to a title, below are several words and phrases that have been put forth over the centuries as probable solutions to the enigma of 666.

GREEK

The numeric equivalents of Greek letters can also be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 8.
The ancient Greek word for "the Latin speaking man" is LATEINOS

L = 30 lambda A = 1 alpha T = 300 tauE = 5 epsilon I = 10 iota N = 50 nu O = 70 omicron S = 200 sigma ------------ 666 NOTE: Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church. Church Documents are usually published first in Latin, and then translated from the Latin into other languages. The association of "Lateinos" with 666 was first suggested by Irenæus (ca. 130-202 A.D.) who proposed in his Against Heresies that it might be the name of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:7.
Then also Lateinos has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: I will not, however, make any boast over this [coincidence].
Source:
Against Heresies, by Irenæus, Book 5, chapter 30, paragraph 3.


St. Irenaeus biography online at the New Advent Catholic web site.


The ancient Greek for

"The Latin Kingdom" is

HE LATINE BASILEIA
BASILEIA is Strong's # G932The ancient Greek for
"Italian Church" is
ITALIKA EKKLESIA
EKKLESIA is Strong's # G1577 And in ancient Greek
the word APOSTATES And in ancient Greek
the word for "tradition"
PARADOSIS







Strong's # G3862
H = 0(transliterated) E = 8eta L = 30lambda A = 1alpha T = 300tau I = 10iota N = 50nu E = 8eta B = 2beta A = 1alpha S = 200sigma I = 10iota L = 30lambda E = 5epsilon I = 10iota A = 1alpha


666

I = 10iota T = 300 tau A = 1alpha L = 30lambda I = 10iota K = 20kappa A = 1alpha E = 5epsilon K = 20kappa K = 20kappa L = 30lambda E = 8eta S = 200sigma I = 10iota A = 1alpha
666
A = 1 alpha P = 80piO = 70 omicron ST = 6stigma*A = 1 alpha T = 300 tau E = 8 eta S = 200 sigma
666












* Stigma
is a now obsolete Greek character, but it appears in the New Testament in Rev 13:18 to give the value 666 (chi xi stigma - See Strong's Concordance, # G5516).







P = 80piA = 1 alpha R = 100rhoA = 1alphaD = 4deltaO = 70 omicron S = 200 sigmaI = 10iotaS = 200 sigma


666












LATIN





NUMERALNAMEVALUEIunus1Vquinque5Xdecem10Lquinquaginta50Ccentum100Dquingenti500Mmille1000




VICARIUS FILII DEI




THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of FILII - means son DEI - means God





V=5 F =no valueD=500I=1I =1E=no valueC=100L=50I=1A=no valueI =1--------R=no valueI =1501I=1--------U/V=553S=no value--------
112 + 53 + 501 = 666





112



DUX CLERI

translated means Captain of the Clergy

D = 500 U = 5 X = 10 C = 100 L = 50 E = no value R = no value I = 1 -------------------- 666









LUDOVICUS

translated means Vicar of the Court

L = 50 U = 5 D = 500 O = no value V = 5 I = 1 C = 100 U = 5 S = no value -------------------- 666














HEBREW



The numeric equivalents of Hebrew letters can be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Languages of the World", Table 50.




ROMIITH


means the Roman Kingdom

R = 200 resh O = 6 waw (vav) M = 40 mem I = 10 yod I = 10 yod TH = 400 taw -------------- 666




The Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi)



"Vicar of Christ . . . Title used almost exclusively of the Bishop of Rome as successor of Peter and, therefore, the one in the Church who particularly takes the place of Christ; but used also of bishops in general and even of priests. First used by the Roman Synod of A.D. 495 to refer to Pope Gelasius; more commonly in Roman curial usage to refer to the Bishop of Rome during the pontificate of Pope Eugene III (1145-1153). Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) asserted explicitly that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ; further defined at the Council of Florence in the Decree for the Greeks (1439) and Vatican Council I in Pastor Aerternus (1870). The Second Vatican Council, in Lumen Gentium , n.27, calls bishops in general "vicars and legates of Christ." All bishops are vicars of Christ for their local churches in their ministerial functions as priest, prophet, and king, as the Pope is for the universal church; the title further denotes they exercise their authority in the Church not by delegation from any other person, but from Christ Himself."


Source: Catholic Dictionary, Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Editor, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., Huntington, 1993, pp. 484-485.



THE WORDS VICARIOUS AND VICAR


Now look up the word vicarious in almost any common dictionary. Here is what you would find in the Webster Handy College Dictionary: "substituting for or, feeling in place of another."
Also in the Webster's II New Riverside Desk Dictionary for the definition of Vicar-




1. A parish priest in the Church of England.

2. A cleric in the Episcopal Church in charge of a chapel.

3. One who serves as a *substitute* for another.



A Vicar General is defined in the 1994 Catholic Almanac on page 330 as "a priest or bishop appointed by the bishop of a diocese to serve as his deputy, with ordinary executive power, in the administration of the diocese." So a vicar serves in the place of (substituting for) the bishop, and assumes his power of office for certain duties.

So the Papal title of VICAR OF CHRIST which in Latin is VICARIUS CHRISTI, means a SUBSTITUTE FOR CHRIST, which is synonymous with Antichrist, i.e., assuming the power of God on earth! This blasphemous claim is made repeatedly by various Popes and is the very foundation of Roman Catholicism and it's Papacy.

Some Catholics may protest that the Pope represents, but does not substitute for Jesus Christ, to avoid the association.
Now, from the Webster Hand College Dictionary, the definition of the word represent:


1. portray; depict; describe.
2. play the role of; impersonate.

3. denote; symbolize; stand for.
4. speak and act for; *be a substitute for*.
5. set forth; assert.
6. be composed of; consist in.


Clearly then, Vicar of Christ (Vicarius Christi) and Antichrist have exactly the same meaning. The Pope substitutes himself in place of God on earth, and that is *exactly* the meaning of Antichrist.





ROMITI

means the Roman Man

R = 200 resh O = 6 waw (vav) M = 40 mem I = 10 yod T = 400 taw I = 10 yod ---------- 666
Firstly 'Vicarius Filii Dei' is not the Catholic Pope's official title and has never been a title that the Pope uses.

Secondly, gematria is a counting method but the number 666 must be calculated or reckoned, not merely adding up, it cannot merely be known by gematria; "Let the discerning calculate (psephizo) the number of the beast, it is the number of a man, and the figures are six-hundred and sixty-six"

It is also a mark and the mark is the name of the beast, the mark or symbol can be calculated to equal 666, it is the cipher of his name.

Also I don't know which Latin Gematria system you are using but it's not correct, LOL whoever has made it up has just changed all the numbers round, it's quite funny, but no seriously, your method of Latin Gematria is wrong.
 
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An extremely long time ago, back when I was about the same age as many of you, I was looking at a couple of versions of the Bible, including my Mother’s New English version, as I studied this verse:

This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six. Revelation 13:18 RSV

I believe one of the versions contained the phrase “sum of the digits,” or some such thing, and it got me to thinking. There are twenty-six letters in the alphabet. In that range, three numbers have digits that add up to 6: 6, 15 (1+5=6), and 24 (2+4=6). The sixth letter is “F.” The fifteenth is “O.” The twenty-fourth is “X.” Put them together and you’ve got “FOX.” Certainly Satan is much like a fox, as he tricks us into doing what is wrong. Read these:

Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made…. Genesis 3:1
Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." Genesis 3:13

What do you think 666 means?
why wouldn't would also equate 33 3+3=6 cause that wouldn't spell what you wanted it to, I think this is really reaching for something that is not there, sorry, I know 33 don't fall within the range mentioned we just get to 26 and start over at A
 
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why wouldn't would also equate 33 3+3=6 cause that wouldn't spell what you wanted it to, I think this is really reaching for something that is not there, sorry, I know 33 don't fall within the range mentioned we just get to 26 and start over at A
Still, Satan is like a fox in that he tries to trick us into doing evil things, and he is the most subtle of the creatures the Lord created, so it’s good to be remember that and always be on our guard against him. Satan wants us to be prideful, unchaste, insober, and to commit all the other sins. It serves his purpose to have us do all those things. Right?
 
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One reason many people give to claim that the pope is the Antichrist is that he bears the mark of the beast, 666, which is found in the Book of Revelations. How does he bear this mark? Because, as some say, the numerological value of one of the titles of the pope is Vicarius Filii Dei. Numerology works like this, in the case of this title: The Latin language had no separate characters for numbers, so they used letters to represent value. The values are as follows: I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, C=100, D=500, and M=1000. Also, in Latin, there was no letter "U", but the vowel was written as "V." If one were to see the phrase "Vicarius Filii Dei" in Latin, it would likely appear as "Vicarivs Filii Dei" due to there being no "u" in the alphabet.

When one adds up the numerological value of this title (V+I+C+I+V+I+ L+I+I+D+I), this is the result: 5 (V) + 1(I) + 100 (C) + 1 (I) + 5 (V) + 1 (I) + 40 (L) + 1 (I) + 1 (I) + 500 (D) +1 (I) = 666. The title Vicarivus Filii Dei does indeed add up to be 666. At least we know that the people who come up with this are good with addition. But what does this title mean? Vicarius is the Latin word which means servant. Filii means son, and Dei means God. When These words are put together in the fashion they are, Vicarius Filii Dei means "Servant of the Son of God." But here, there is a problem. And that problem is this: Vicarius Filii Dei, a title which does add up to 666, the mark of the beast, is not a title which is used by the Catholic Church to formally describe the pope. It never has been, and it never will be. The pope is known by many things, and he has many titles, but not one of them is Vicarius Filii Dei. The closest title which he has to that one is Vicarius Christi, which means "Servant of Christ." That title does not have a numerological value of 666.

So what is all the fuss about, anyway? A long time ago, a group known as the Seventh Day Adventists cooked up this little tidbit of information. They claimed that the pope had these words, encrusted in jewels or fancy embroidery, on the papal tiara. The tiara was a type of headgear worn by all of the popes, which has recently been out of use by the popes in favor of the mitre which is familiar to bishops. The problem with the tiara theory is that no one has been able to find this alleged Satanic hat. No one. There is not one in existence. There is not even a photograph of one. Nothing is shown, tiara or mitre, which bears the phrase Vicarius Filii Dei on it in any fashion. Why? Because it does not exist.

Even today, it is rare to find any Seventh Day Adventist who still believes this claim. Still, a few do use it. Maybe they should consider the fact that the woman who founded their church, Ellen Gould White, has a name which adds up to 666: 50+50+5+50+500+5+5+1 = 666 (L+L+V+L+D+V+V+I). Do they call her the anti-Christ as well? Would this not imply that maybe their church is the church of the beast because of this "*****ng" evidence? Probably not.

666 likely is a reference to Nero, a great enemy of the early Christians who had a major part of Rome (not Greece) burned to make way for a special project he had planned. When the Roman citizens became angry with him and suspected his role in the fire, he blamed it on the Christians, a group that was already misunderstood and held in suspicion by the Roman people. A worthy scapegoat in his eyes. Thus began the persecutions of Christians, initiated by Nero. A good reason for Christians to dislike him enough to equate him with Satan.
 
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Nero is 666 and Nero Caesar is 616.
Where is Nero's 'mark'? Where is the mark of the beast that [was] received in the right hand or on the forehead? Even more, 'Snail, you claim that Book of Revelation is not future events but has already happened nigh 2 thousand years ago! Well when did the Euprates dry up? I know it is drying now, but it has never dried before! Mystery Babylon cannot refer to Rome, that would be fairly obvious to even semi-literate folk! Oh yea we must of missed the battle of Armageddon? Where is the history of a third of the earth ships being destroyed and a third part of the sea becoming blood, and a third of the creatures in the sea die! History must have missed the part where the star 'Wormwood' crashes into the ocean, that's already happened according to 'Snail...Where are the locusts? Did the king come up from the bottomless pit? Apparently a third of all the men on earth died around the time of Ceasar, and the number of the army that killed them was 200 million, did Nero have an army of 200 million? No, did Nero kill a third of all the men on earth, No!!!What are you talking about 'Snail, do you know anything of History? To say that Nero was the Anti-Christ, is I think an insult to a man's intelligence. And of course we must have all missed the return of Christ, that's really what your saying 'Snail, is it not?
 
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666 likely is a reference to Nero, a great enemy of the early Christians who had a major part of Rome (not Greece) burned to make way for a special project he had planned. When the Roman citizens became angry with him and suspected his role in the fire, he blamed it on the Christians, a group that was already misunderstood and held in suspicion by the Roman people. A worthy scapegoat in his eyes. Thus began the persecutions of Christians, initiated by Nero. A good reason for Christians to dislike him enough to equate him with Satan.
I don't know how anybody in their right mind could claim that the Book of Revelations is a past event, I cannot fathom the lack of reason and knowledge and lack of spiritual awareness that one would have to have to belive that Nero was the anti-Christ and the Book of Revelations has been and gone, albeit unrecorded by History! What a poor and misguided interpretation of scripture, I pray that God opens your eyes.
 
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I'm right were God wants me.
 
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An extremely long time ago, back when I was about the same age as many of you, I was looking at a couple of versions of the Bible, including my Mother’s New English version, as I studied this verse:

This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six. Revelation 13:18 RSV

I believe one of the versions contained the phrase “sum of the digits,” or some such thing, and it got me to thinking. There are twenty-six letters in the alphabet. In that range, three numbers have digits that add up to 6: 6, 15 (1+5=6), and 24 (2+4=6). The sixth letter is “F.” The fifteenth is “O.” The twenty-fourth is “X.” Put them together and you’ve got “FOX.” Certainly Satan is much like a fox, as he tricks us into doing what is wrong. Read these:

Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made…. Genesis 3:1
Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." Genesis 3:13

What do you think 666 means?

Man has always been the number 6 in the Bible. God's number is 7 and man's number is 6 signifying
that man is just below the angels due to his fall from grace.
Though man will never be a full 7, Christians are granted being a 7 by God and will rule over
everything once we are in heaven.
 

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Firstly 'Vicarius Filii Dei' is not the Catholic Pope's official title and has never been a title that the Pope uses.

Secondly, gematria is a counting method but the number 666 must be calculated or reckoned, not merely adding up, it cannot merely be known by gematria; "Let the discerning calculate (psephizo) the number of the beast, it is the number of a man, and the figures are six-hundred and sixty-six"

It is also a mark and the mark is the name of the beast, the mark or symbol can be calculated to equal 666, it is the cipher of his name.

Also I don't know which Latin Gematria system you are using but it's not correct, LOL whoever has made it up has just changed all the numbers round, it's quite funny, but no seriously, your method of Latin Gematria is wrong.
yes he has and still do ; and he the catholic church treat him as though he is a god, he is the only one who could say if it can be a mericle granted, they vote on a saint at his approvel, they bow down to him and kiss his feet, thes I heard with my own ears from a catholic program. I ask that you look again and doulbe check, anytime this title is mentioned on tv is always say it is the pope, so please dont say what have never been when you have not all the imformation, sorry; no offence; but your statement is not true.
 
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