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How does one become 'fully known'? By Scripture or by God? 1 Cor. 13 -> Face to face
Do these verses tell us that we are already 'fully known' by God, or, by Scripture (the canon), or, by love, which never fails ?
Does the bible = God.
"In the beginning was The Word, and, the Word was God and the the Word was with God."
Can the bible be what Paul was speaking about that would be 'perfect' that comes ?
Did Paul see Scripture 'dimly' in his time but knew that one day (after he died) that people would see Scripture 'face to face' ?
When Paul was speaking his final thoughts, it sounds to me like Paul had not written anything yet of Scripture. Not sure what the people of bible times KNEW regarding Matthew, Mark, Luke, and, John's gospel writings, four seperate reports, but, I'm guessing, they, too, were, maybe, not yet written.
What do you think? Were the Gospels written when Paul said what he said in 1 Cor. 13 ?
I think, we know that Peter still was going to write two books later on after Paul's books so we know that those weren't written, and, John would still write, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, and, Revelation so we know those, too, weren't written at the time that Paul made this huge statement regarding something that sooooo many have the answer to its meaning YET they disagree like crazy on the subject......................... So, the verses that mean soo much to sooo many
What do we truly make of them when we view them now, face to face ?
Paul speaks in the final climactic (anti-climactic?) verse of 1 Corinthians 13: And now these three remain, faith hope and love, the greatest of these is love.
What is Paul saying here? That faith and hope pale in comparison to love when it comes to believing that ONE DAY that Scripture will be MADE CLEAR ?
Or, is Paul making it clear that ONE DAY our Saviour will come again, and, that we better have LOVE in our sights because faith and hope will be NOTHING to go by IF we do not, too, have LOVE ?
I believe, 'when completeness comes' refers not to what a lot probably think it refers to......
I believe this 'perfect' that 'comes' is, indeed, some thing and not some one. Describing God as 'The perfect' makes no sense to me. So, it's some thing else
It's a time that changes things, this 'completeness,' when 'the perfect comes.'
Now, maybe, it's a time of the bible written in its entirety and published in a form that others can read it like Gone With The Wind, so we need no more knowledge, no more tongues, no more prophecies, because we have it in our hands, or, we see it 'face to face,' as THIS is what cessationists believe. a
And, maybe, this 'completeness' of when 'the perfect comes' is a time of the coming of Christ back again, and, we will wholly know Him fully then.
Hmmmmm, the words 'as I am fully known' really stand out to me. It makes this 'some thing' become a 'some one,' LOL, or, maybe, not LOL , to you, this is serious stuff ! But, yeah, what do you think?
HOw are you going to fully know when Scripture goes from parchment to book form as you are already 'fully known' by Scripture ? I guess, that's what this verse is saying, that's what it says to me, anyway.
The only possible thing I can think of for why cessationists believe like they do is that they think Scripture is being referred to as a human. Or, else, the bible can NOT fully know you. LOL, it can't , it's just a book . I mean, it's the holy, inspired Word of God, don't get me wrong, but, yeah, it's just a book with words printed on it. Make sense
Ok, what do you think ? Is God or 'Christ,' is He the 'reflection in the mirror' Paul speaks of?
Or, is it Scripture that Paul sees 'dimlly' of when he writes this in 1 Corinthians 13 ?
Do these verses tell us that we are already 'fully known' by God, or, by Scripture (the canon), or, by love, which never fails ?
Does the bible = God.
"In the beginning was The Word, and, the Word was God and the the Word was with God."
Can the bible be what Paul was speaking about that would be 'perfect' that comes ?
Did Paul see Scripture 'dimly' in his time but knew that one day (after he died) that people would see Scripture 'face to face' ?
When Paul was speaking his final thoughts, it sounds to me like Paul had not written anything yet of Scripture. Not sure what the people of bible times KNEW regarding Matthew, Mark, Luke, and, John's gospel writings, four seperate reports, but, I'm guessing, they, too, were, maybe, not yet written.
What do you think? Were the Gospels written when Paul said what he said in 1 Cor. 13 ?
I think, we know that Peter still was going to write two books later on after Paul's books so we know that those weren't written, and, John would still write, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, and, Revelation so we know those, too, weren't written at the time that Paul made this huge statement regarding something that sooooo many have the answer to its meaning YET they disagree like crazy on the subject......................... So, the verses that mean soo much to sooo many
What do we truly make of them when we view them now, face to face ?
Paul speaks in the final climactic (anti-climactic?) verse of 1 Corinthians 13: And now these three remain, faith hope and love, the greatest of these is love.
What is Paul saying here? That faith and hope pale in comparison to love when it comes to believing that ONE DAY that Scripture will be MADE CLEAR ?
Or, is Paul making it clear that ONE DAY our Saviour will come again, and, that we better have LOVE in our sights because faith and hope will be NOTHING to go by IF we do not, too, have LOVE ?
I believe, 'when completeness comes' refers not to what a lot probably think it refers to......
I believe this 'perfect' that 'comes' is, indeed, some thing and not some one. Describing God as 'The perfect' makes no sense to me. So, it's some thing else
It's a time that changes things, this 'completeness,' when 'the perfect comes.'
Now, maybe, it's a time of the bible written in its entirety and published in a form that others can read it like Gone With The Wind, so we need no more knowledge, no more tongues, no more prophecies, because we have it in our hands, or, we see it 'face to face,' as THIS is what cessationists believe. a
And, maybe, this 'completeness' of when 'the perfect comes' is a time of the coming of Christ back again, and, we will wholly know Him fully then.
Hmmmmm, the words 'as I am fully known' really stand out to me. It makes this 'some thing' become a 'some one,' LOL, or, maybe, not LOL , to you, this is serious stuff ! But, yeah, what do you think?
HOw are you going to fully know when Scripture goes from parchment to book form as you are already 'fully known' by Scripture ? I guess, that's what this verse is saying, that's what it says to me, anyway.
The only possible thing I can think of for why cessationists believe like they do is that they think Scripture is being referred to as a human. Or, else, the bible can NOT fully know you. LOL, it can't , it's just a book . I mean, it's the holy, inspired Word of God, don't get me wrong, but, yeah, it's just a book with words printed on it. Make sense
Ok, what do you think ? Is God or 'Christ,' is He the 'reflection in the mirror' Paul speaks of?
Or, is it Scripture that Paul sees 'dimlly' of when he writes this in 1 Corinthians 13 ?
