Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[bikerchaz]

This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?

I am really interested in people's viewpoints

I apologise if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.

Thanks for replying in advance

God does not, can not look on sin, so God does not look on homosexuality. God sees Jesus in us or we are dead to Him. The act of repentance brings us into the line of sight of God.

Whether this sin is more offending to God than any other, 'no'. All sin, from white lies to murder, from sexual sin to anything anyone can think of, is still sin and worthy of death. This is why we die, because Adam sinned so we die, this body we have will die and we will be raised again if we are within God's line of sight. Being there means we have been clothed with the righteousness of Jesus, it means we have accepted His sacrifice and we are covered through His blood and made Holy to God.

To ask for a poll to differentiate one sin from another has other gives the impression that different sin has different values, which is not the case. This earth we live on has rules and doing anything against the Law is punishable with differing degrees of sentence depending on the severity of the offence committed.

Gods law of love in not the law of the land and people coming within it boundaries by accepting Jesus sacrifice are then under Gods authority, not ours or that of the authorities. Even within the mainstream churches in the UK where gay marriage and coexistence is allowed to continue, these people are still the people that Jesus hung on the cross for and bled out for and died for.

Any one who has not accepted Jesus as saviour is dead to God and does not have God's eye. All who do have God's eye are not left alone. God will move everything to bring us into a perfect place with Him. It may take time but we are God's problem, Praise Him , He will sort us out.

 

[tanakh]

I believe that in a majority of cases it is the way people are born. It is obviously not a natural state but there are many abnormalities and disabilities that people can be born with. I have met and worked with people who have felt attracted to the same sex from a young age. In biblical times all illness and disability was thought to be Gods judgement on the individual or their parents. The concept of Germs and Viruses were unknown as was Genetics. There are also some cases where it is a perversion and these are people who claim to be bisexual. Aids was believed to have spread to Heterosexual people via the sexual activity of bisexuals.

 

[Yet]

I start a thread about the robbery of widows and the poor in the organized church and get 7 responses. Someone starts a homo thread and gets 600 responses. Identifying perversion while not identifying or even caring about grandma getting hosed by the pastor seems a bit strange. What say you?

 

[lettucepray]

People who strive to be virtuous, upright, SERIOUS, Truth-telling individuals are not flamboyant. Homosexuality isn't a product of those traits. It's a product of rebellion, of falling in love with lying and standing for every fruit the Holy Spirit doesn't encompass. So No, you won't be seeing homosexuality in Heaven, sorry :/

 

[resurrection33]

This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?

I am really interested in people's viewpoints

I apologise if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.

Thanks for replying in advance

I think this pretty well describes how the Lord feels about homosexuality:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV

 

[Talishi]

I start a thread about the robbery of widows and the poor in the organized church and get 7 responses. Someone starts a homo thread and gets 600 responses.

Go to Christian Supply, ask for a book about the Holy Spirit, there's about three of them. Ask for a book about the Pope being the False Prophet in cahoots with the Antichrist and the Beast in the union of Ten Kingdoms with three Horns, etc, you'll be directed to a shelf thirty-five feet long full of such books. Ears and tickles.

 

[followjesus]

why not take what the word says and believe that? homosexuality, is no different than a person who is in a habit of lying, stealing, sleeping around with the opposite sex. they may be born with that nature, all of us are born with sin in our nature,God will forgive sin, and cleanse us from it if we will repent. there is a push to accept it, but it is not God pushing. its about repentance no matter the sinful nature in us.

 

[Talishi]

why not take what the word says and believe that? homosexuality, is no different than a person who is in a habit of lying, stealing, sleeping around with the opposite sex. they may be born with that nature, all of us are born with sin in our nature,God will forgive sin, and cleanse us from it if we will repent. there is a push to accept it, but it is not God pushing. its about repentance no matter the sinful nature in us.

I have been interacting on social media since the very beginning when Microsoft built the TCP/IP stack into Windows 95 and people started getting online on dial-up, and in every religious forum I have encountered, homosexuality is the number one topic, bar none. I have found there's a gender difference in attitudes toward that topic that is clearly illustrated by the scouting organizations we set up for our kids. Boy Scouts ban it, Girl Scouts don't give a rat's patootie about it.

 

[followjesus]

I have been interacting on social media since the very beginning when Microsoft built the TCP/IP stack into Windows 95 and people started getting online on dial-up, and in every religious forum I have encountered, homosexuality is the number one topic, bar none. I have found there's a gender difference in attitudes toward that topic that is clearly illustrated by the scouting organizations we set up for our kids. Boy Scouts ban it, Girl Scouts don't give a rat's patootie about it.

interesting. its really evident these days the push to accept any and everything as acceptable in the church. the teaching of grace covers everything is destroying righteousness that is freely available. the word is there to learn and believe its the mind of God recorded for man to know what is right and wrong, were all born wrong. I myself, though not a homosexual, was an adulterer at one time, knew it was wrong and did it because i desired the woman made the excuses..... as well as so many more things i did and was in the past. God will accept any of us at our worst regardless of what we have done....But He is not willing to accept us to continue in those things when we know His word is opposed. I cant judge anyone because i myself was a great sinner, and i know God Loves even the worst of us. He Loves us so much that He is willing to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness, it makes it hard on children given the reach of social media constantly being taught that your a bigot if you dont approve of certain things...

 

[pottersclay]

I have been interacting on social media since the very beginning when Microsoft built the TCP/IP stack into Windows 95 and people started getting online on dial-up, and in every religious forum I have encountered, homosexuality is the number one topic, bar none. I have found there's a gender difference in attitudes toward that topic that is clearly illustrated by the scouting organizations we set up for our kids. Boy Scouts ban it, Girl Scouts don't give a rat's patootie about it.

I used to support the scouts but now don't. When the scouts lifted the ban that was enough for me.

Rats patootie I bet that's not what you said in your head. Lol

 

[followjesus]

I have been interacting on social media since the very beginning when Microsoft built the TCP/IP stack into Windows 95 and people started getting online on dial-up, and in every religious forum I have encountered, homosexuality is the number one topic, bar none. I have found there's a gender difference in attitudes toward that topic that is clearly illustrated by the scouting organizations we set up for our kids. Boy Scouts ban it, Girl Scouts don't give a rat's patootie about it.

i think one of the reasons it is such a popular topic also, is christians judge homosexuals, while they themselves are also sinning in many other ways but somehow are so aggressive toward a sin like homosexualtiy, when they practice these things

proverbs 6:16019 "There are six things the Lord hates,seven that are detestable to him:haughty eyes,a lying tongue,hands that shed innocent blood,a heart that devises wicked schemes,feet that are quick to rush into evil,a false witness who pours out liesand a person who stirs up conflict in the community."

we somehow assume because it is called detestable to God, its a worse sin than the very things some of us are caught up in. its easier to point and say " God wont accept you for your sin" because were not doing that particular thing. that i think is part of the reason anyways

 

[disciplemike]

interesting how some believers will listen to God on certain commandments, but shun other commandments.

where are all the people that keep telling me, "we are not under the law, but under grace?

speak up.

 

[Tommy379]

interesting how some believers will listen to God on certain commandments, but shun other commandments.

where are all the people that keep telling me, "we are not under the law, but under grace?

speak up.

What is up with people who disregard the law in the bible? I bet they wouldn't disregard a state or federal law. Sure we have grace, but couldn't we miss out on a lot of blessings by not following the law? A sin is a sin.

 

[disciplemike]

I think it could be said that often times, homosexuality is part of judgment, stemming from other sins.

If one cares to look, the original sin of Sodom & Gomorrah was not homosexuality. Again, in my opinion, homosexuality was part of when God "turns one over to a reprobate mind".

 

[Tommy379]

I think it could be said that often times, homosexuality is part of judgment, stemming from other sins.

If one cares to look, the original sin of Sodom & Gomorrah was not homosexuality. Again, in my opinion, homosexuality was part of when God "turns one over to a reprobate mind".

Maybe shame has something to do with this. Shame hurts so they judge another sin to be worse than their own.

 

[followjesus]

this is part of the Law.

leviticus 20 :9-16 " ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.10“ ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.11“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.12“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.13“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.14“ ‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.15“ ‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.16“ ‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

surely we dont observe this as Christians or we are transgressing against the gospel. the gospel cleanses the heart when we obey Jesus commands. so if we follow the command to rid ourselves of Lust, and also to honor our parents all of these types of laws are kept without even looking at the letters. if we follow Jesus command to rid our lives of hate, anger, malice, deceit, gred ect. all of the law is kept, the gospel covers all of the Law and keeps it rightly because all sin originates in mans heart from our thoughts and desires.

did you know even unintentional sin is punished under the law? that covers all the morality by following Jesus, things like the passover, thats kept through communion. the passover is to remind isreal that God delivered them from slavery in egypt, communion is done in remembrance of Jesus Gods Lamb that delivered us from sin. its all this way. the gospel is where we are, not under the mosaic, nor does grace excuse what we actively do after accepting Jesus. itforgives us for our sinful Lives, and the truth that is there teaches us to become pure in Heart, and the pure in Heart, keep Gods commands and it is not a burden to do so. to purify the heart through obeying the gospel ,makes us new and we Love Gods law.

john 1:17 "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

were not under the Law of moses, nor does grace mean we are excused of our actions when we accept Jesus. because we have the truth, which is the gospel commands and teachings of Jesus that purify us inside, inside purity always leads to outward righteous living wich is "good fruit" " make a tree good, and its fruit will be good" " wash the inside of the dish, and the outside will be clean"

remember how harsh Jesus was on the pharisees? they were strict keepers of the mosaic law yet Jesus condemned them harshly " sons of Hell" he called them. if you study toward the end of the old testament God became disgusted with sacrifices, and ordinances because thier hearts were far from Him, though they still observed the Laws requirements, he refused to accept them because thoier hearts were corrupt. Jesus is the solution to all of that, IF we obey His teachings and commands, it will always lead to keeping the righteousness of the Law.

 

[followjesus]

I think it could be said that often times, homosexuality is part of judgment, stemming from other sins.

If one cares to look, the original sin of Sodom & Gomorrah was not homosexuality. Again, in my opinion, homosexuality was part of when God "turns one over to a reprobate mind".

God hates and detests all sin from a lie to a murder to homosexual acts. the gospel is the Law perfected that removes the roots of sin by cleansing the heart IF we obey His word. grace is nothing without truth.

 

[followjesus]

I think it could be said that often times, homosexuality is part of judgment, stemming from other sins.

If one cares to look, the original sin of Sodom & Gomorrah was not homosexuality. Again, in my opinion, homosexuality was part of when God "turns one over to a reprobate mind".

adam eating the fruoit turned man from purely good, to double minded nature of good and evil, leaving us subject to sin. this is evident as early as cain. God is telling Him " just do whats right and you will be accepted" the next verse he goes and lures abel into a field and kills Him. because abel acted right before God, and cain chose evil.

1 john 3:12 "Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous." adam went from the image of God, to what we are now, all subject to sin through temptation. or " sinners" Christ and the gospel, is Gods solution to that. not just saying the gospel, but obeying Jesus commands and principles, they will always uphold the Law of God. bit they are better

 

[garee]

I think this pretty well describes how the Lord feels about homosexuality:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV

It does not get much clearer than that.

Is it something people are born with? I would say yes we are born sinners with the potential to sin against God in any way .Yhat includes any kind of sin.

When we try and separate one violation of disobeying God from another and try and build on it as if it was separate .The reasoning should be questioned to see if we are reasoning by the faith of Christ that comes from hearing the Holy Spirit that jealously dwells in the believer.

And not whether we have a gene that disposes one more than another person. All sin is violation to the law of God . To violate his law at any point a person is held guilty of the whole.Forgivable yes , justifiable without forgiveness, no. If a person does not recognize they have sinned and offended the God who created them then there would be no need for forgiveness .

 

[garee]

interesting how some believers will listen to God on certain commandments, but shun other commandments.

where are all the people that keep telling me, "we are not under the law, but under grace?

speak up.

Sounds like some believers refuse to except laws designed for ceremonies are not laws designed to regulate the human race as moral laws. ceremonial laws are used to announce the the gospel of Christ in respect to the suffering of Christ and the glory that did follow.... beforehand. Trying to make them into a moral law for some reason or other I would question the motives.


Its why they call them ceremonial . as shadows as that which could do nothing as far as making the conscience perfect. Its what shadows do as signs they point ahead to the unseen eternal just as they were designed to do..

A few verses I am offering in a hope you will study and get back when your find your answer as to the timing of the refomation. The restoring of things lost.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for "the time then present", in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until the time of reformation".Heb 9:8

Has that time come? Or would a person still hear the bleating of lambs to be slaughtered ?

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Col 2:17