Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[Kreation]

This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?

I am really interested in people's viewpoints

I apologise if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.

Thanks for replying in advance

 

[oldhermit]

What Has God said about it?

 

[thecreationtutor]

The Bible makes it clear that any sex outside covenant marriage between one man and one woman is sin. Man's laws mean nothing to God.

We are all born with the sin nature, and satan has a plan for each of our lives, and he uses whatever sin we might have proclivity towards.

 

[GreenNnice]

The Bible makes it clear that any sex outside covenant marriage between one man and one woman is sin. Man's laws mean nothing to God.

We are all born with the sin nature, and satan has a plan for each of our lives, and he uses whatever sin we might have proclivity towards.

They need to ask for forgiveness, just like sexual immorality, adultery, lying, cheating, and all others sins WE do need forgiven.

1 John 1:9
Romans 8:28
Galatians 5 is powerful Scripture too.

 

[Kreation]

I'd be interested in hearing the people's views on agreeing that homosexuality is not considered a sin.

 

[Hizikyah]

Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not have sexual relations with a man, as with a woman. It is an abomination."

Romans 1:24-27(-25), "Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: For this reason Yahweh bgave them up to degrading passions: for even their women exchanged the cnatural use into that which is against nature. And the men did the same thing: leaving the natural use of the woman, they burned in their lust for one another; men committing shameful acts with men, and suffering in their own bodies the penalty for their error, which is their fitting retribution."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

There is hope:

Acts 3:19, "Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Most High."

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the ftime will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; telling them what they want to hear. And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."

 

[jahsoul]

I'd be interested in hearing the people's views on agreeing that homosexuality is not considered a sin.

That would be kinda hard to do without attempting to butcher or over intellectualize the Word.

 

[oldhermit]

Over intellectualize - Translation, distort.

 

[hootowl]

Hi

One person asks a simple question and off we go with the sin bit.

I am sorry I like gay people. They are governed by exactly the same rules as anybody else. Apart from the fact they sleep with the same sex which is their business. not unless others in here could be secretly interested, it seems to worry some of you a lot. " The gentleman doth protest too much"

I have had this out before. Gay people the real ones not Bi etc who have a choice, are born gay. For them to change is like trying to tell a dark skinned person to change the colour of their skin.

If you believe that God is the maker of man then he also made gays.

Why don't you pick on the swinger Christians or the Adulterer or lets face it the Godly men of the cloth who use children for their own desires. And which I may add is hidden by the churches.

It is not a sin to love. Yes I have heard of the saying "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" We were put on this earth to create blah blah blah.

So being barren is a sin too I take it. There you go if you cant have kids do not have sex it is a sin

Mathew told the multitudes no sin is greater than the other. I notice verses that are used against gays are only the ones that suit. Please remember condemnation is a sin have you forgotten " condemn not lest you be condemned" Oh yes I can also quote. So you too are sinning as much as any gay.

Get a life leave others alone at least gays are upfront with their sins how about others.

If God does not like it let him get off his throne get down here and tell the gays himself.

Personally I would rather have it from the engine driver than the oil rag

Hoot Owl

 

[oldhermit]

Hi

One person asks a simple question and off we go with the sin bit.

I am sorry I like gay people. They are governed by exactly the same rules as anybody else. Apart from the fact they sleep with the same sex which is their business. not unless others in here could be secretly interested, it seems to worry some of you a lot. " The gentleman doth protest too much"

I have had this out before. Gay people the real ones not Bi etc who have a choice, are born gay. For them to change is like trying to tell a dark skinned person to change the colour of their skin.

If you believe that God is the maker of man then he also made gays.

Why don't you pick on the swinger Christians or the Adulterer or lets face it the Godly men of the cloth who use children for their own desires. And which I may add is hidden by the churches.

It is not a sin to love. Yes I have heard of the saying "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" We were put on this earth to create blah blah blah.

So being barren is a sin too I take it. There you go if you cant have kids do not have sex it is a sin

Mathew told the multitudes no sin is greater than the other. I notice verses that are used against gays are only the ones that suit. Please remember condemnation is a sin have you forgotten " condemn not lest you be condemned" Oh yes I can also quote. So you too are sinning as much as any gay.

Get a life leave others alone at least gays are upfront with their sins how about others.

If God does not like it let him get off his throne get down here and tell the gays himself.

Personally I would rather have it from the engine driver than the oil rag

Hoot Owl

So you regard it a prudent thing to defend what God has condemned?

 

[jimmydiggs]

If God does not like it let him get off his throne get down here and tell the gays himself.

He already did. Ever read the bible?

 

[nathan3]

Romans 1:21-27 is the place in the New Testament where Paul deals with Sodomy also

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

This verse is talking about taking part in the perversion of homosexual acts, man with man or woman with woman. The act is an abomination, and it is an abomination to God. The penalty for doing these homosexual acts of sodomy was death. Chapter twenty deals with these perversion in detail. I Corinthians 6:9, 10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,....shall enter into the kingdom of God." This is New Testament, and not just Old Testament.

Leviticus 18:23 "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shalt any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

These acts of having sexual relations with animals were practiced by in Egypt, where the children of Israel were in bondage for several centuries. They were camped here at the foot of mount Sinai, receiving the instructions from God for their journey back to the promise land, but at the time of this writing, the memories from Egypt was only a few years back, as part of their lives. God is letting His people know that that practice would no longer be acceptable under any circumstance.

Leviticus 18:24 "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:"

The nations that are being cast out of the promise land are the five nations of the Canaanites.

Leviticus 18:25 "And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants."

The land is taking on the appearance of a human being, and it will revolt against the inhabitants of the land of Canaan. These inhabitants were so evil that even the earth would not allow them to remain within its soil.

Leviticus 18:26 "Ye shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:"


Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Genesis 19:5-7

King James Version (KJV)

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.


The Lord sent two angels to move lot and his family out and way from Sodom and Gomorrah : because God was going to destory it for all the evil things going on there.

One of those things is homosexuality . It got so bad there was mobs going through the city doing really awful things to people.

The men wanted to "know" the messengers God sent. The word " know "is used here euphemistically for a sexually assault . That is what the men were planing . And the kind of sin that was going on in those cities .



There are other scriptures to read about this sin also consider :

Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."


This really means, a man should not take the place of a women, in a sexual act. Like sodomy .

 

[RedTent]

People are always justifying sin, adding things to it, white washing it. But the fact is that God gave us sex, and sex puts together male and female to make them one again. If you break something and put the pieces back there is no way to put pieces together unless it is from the same original. It is the same with the sexes. God says that like things are to be put with like, don't try to mix them up.

You can paint this up pretty, give it other causes, say it is all psychological or medical, but the bottom line is that you simply can't make male and male or female and female fit in God's eyes, and God is the one who runs our show.

 

[jahsoul]

Hi

One person asks a simple question and off we go with the sin bit.

I am sorry I like gay people. They are governed by exactly the same rules as anybody else. Apart from the fact they sleep with the same sex which is their business. not unless others in here could be secretly interested, it seems to worry some of you a lot. " The gentleman doth protest too much"

I have had this out before. Gay people the real ones not Bi etc who have a choice, are born gay. For them to change is like trying to tell a dark skinned person to change the colour of their skin.

If you believe that God is the maker of man then he also made gays.

Why don't you pick on the swinger Christians or the Adulterer or lets face it the Godly men of the cloth who use children for their own desires. And which I may add is hidden by the churches.

It is not a sin to love. Yes I have heard of the saying "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" We were put on this earth to create blah blah blah.

So being barren is a sin too I take it. There you go if you cant have kids do not have sex it is a sin

Mathew told the multitudes no sin is greater than the other. I notice verses that are used against gays are only the ones that suit. Please remember condemnation is a sin have you forgotten " condemn not lest you be condemned" Oh yes I can also quote. So you too are sinning as much as any gay.

Get a life leave others alone at least gays are upfront with their sins how about others.

If God does not like it let him get off his throne get down here and tell the gays himself.

Personally I would rather have it from the engine driver than the oil rag

Hoot Owl

Hi Hoot,

The thing is the OP specifically asked about homosexuality. You went on a tangent without truly addressing what the topic was about. Is homosexuality a sin? According to the Bible it is, just like lying, killing, getting drunk, adultery, fornication, etc. etc. I didn't see any condemnation in this thread.

You liking gay people have nothing to do with the issue of sin. If they are upfront about their sin, does that somehow make it right? No, just like anything else because it is still sin. Like you said in your post, no sin is greater than the other, so why would open sin be more respected than concealed sin, when they are both sin.

And if you read that verse in Matthew a little more, Jesus said that if we remove the plank from our own eyes, we could see clearly to remove it from our brothers. Calling something a sin is not condemning.

And God doesn't have to come off of his throne to tell anyone. You see the scriptures and disregard it. Also. contrary to your view, the "engine driver" commanded the "oil rags" to proclaim the good news to the World.

 

[GreenNnice]

They need to ask for forgiveness, just like sexual immorality, adultery, lying, cheating, and all others sins WE do need forgiven.

1 John 1:9
Romans 8:28
Galatians 5 is powerful Scripture too.

So, who died and made you God ? God said it's a sin. Period. Read your bible, it's in there. But God is not condemning the PERSON who is gay, they are human, don't be silly, it's the ACT , just like ANY OTHER SIN, and, some sins, on Earth, obviously, carry greater consequences, but a sin is a sin is a sin.

They all require ONE thing: going to God for forgiveness and turning from it. We want to bring glory to God in our ACTions on Earth. We WANT to produce fruit, with His Spirit received, living in us, our being "in the Spirit" is the way we live our lives 'differently,' we LIVE our lives solely for Him

 

[nathan3]

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why?
Thanks for replying in advance

I gave some scripture about this in the post below , there are probably more I believe I can remember there being some more, I just cant recall . Maybe Jude as well concerning what the fallen angels did... So about your question: Yes it is a sin. Simply reading what we read.



And as far as people claiming the excuse that people are "born" that way. That is not written and its a lie .

What i observed so far for the few years i been here, is that people actually encourage children at a small age to engage in the behavior , either by condoning it, or actually assaulting them against their will.

Every other situation that there is documented Proof and deformities of one form or another ,God knows all, and is fair .





But, people still have to obey God's commandments no matter their situation . I read , its a sin.

 

[oldhermit]

I have had this out before. Gay people the real ones not Bi etc who have a choice, are born gay. For them to change is like trying to tell a dark skinned person to change the colour of their skin. If you believe that God is the maker of man then he also made gays.

Defending homosexual is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. It is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.

 

[nathan3]

Defending homosexual is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. It is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.

Did you write that yourself ? Thats what I believe, all the times i hear about this, overwhelmingly kids are being conditioned and educated to believe its okay. its not okay when it gos against the very nature of things. anyway. i said my peace.

 

[Kreation]

Defending homosexual is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. It is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.

@ oldhermit :I don't think you can learn to sin so to speak. We are born sinners as we have inherited it from Adam and Eve. I believe that although we are all born sinners we have a chance to become born again.


@rest of forum: Do you think there's more condemnation for homosexuals in the christian community rather than offering the message of salvation through Christ by example and love, ministering and care?

How would you feel if you walked in a church and there were gay people in the congregation? Would you walk away or sit and listen to their story?