Why the King James Bible

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Agricola

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Reading The King James Bible is not a cult. The King James Onlyists are the cult, the people who claim that the King James Bible of 1611 is the only perfect Bible in existence and there never will be another. This Bible has been refined and crafted by God as mentioned in the Psalms, they claim all other Bibles after its existence are evil and written by Satan, the cult gives countless examples of corrupt verses, two of which I posted yet again but never get a reply from the cult members as to why their cult objects to that translation.

The cult claims that if people are told about the Bible Issue, and they continue to use other Bibles other than the King James 1611, then they will have to answer to Christ as to why they read other texts other than the 1611.

These are all hallmarks of a cult.
 
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Agricola said:
Reading The King James Bible is not a cult. The King James Onlyists are the cult, the people who claim that the King James Bible of 1611 is the only perfect Bible in existence and there never will be another. This Bible has been refined and crafted by God as mentioned in the Psalms, they claim all other Bibles after its existence are evil and written by Satan, the cult gives countless examples of corrupt verses, two of which I posted yet again but never get a reply from the cult members as to why their cult objects to that translation.

The cult claims that if people are told about the Bible Issue, and they continue to use other Bibles other than the King James 1611, then they will have to answer to Christ as to why they read other texts other than the 1611.

These are all hallmarks of a cult.
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If the KJV was good enough for Jesus and Paul it's good enough for me... Ha ha. This is sarcasm.
 
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Num 11:6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

Today it is, "But our brain is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this KJV Bible, before our eyes."

They lusted after meat and today, the church lusts after a new Bible. People just aren't pleased
with what God gave them. It always has to be to the standards of one's own self.
 
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The KJV is ok, but they really made a big mistake taking out 1 & 2 Maccabees. Publishers should definitely put it back in so the student without access to a lot of historical works can make some sense of the intertestamental period. Without Maccabees, the Feast of Hanukkah really doesn't have a context when we find it mentioned in John 10. We also have no context for Jesus as Messiah from the prophecies of Daniel without the prehistory of Maccabees. I'm convinced that Maccabees is an important an divinely intended part of the Bible, even though it may not have been inspired as Prophecy is inspired, yet its history is based upon prophecy and comes from a prophetic viewpoint even though it wasn't part of Ezra's original works of history of Gen. - 2 Kings. That's why I stick with the Septuagint. If it was good enough for Paul and Silas, it's good enough for me. The KJV is ok if you're into modern.
 
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Andrew1 said:
Most of the Christians I know don't hold to the inerrancy of the KJV and I get along with them just fine.
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nathan3 said:
? How is using a Bible translation that's been around since the 16oo's and newer translations work from also, how is that considered a cult ? A bible translation that people have learned God's words from for many years a cult ? That makes no logical sense to me.

I could care less what translation people use as long as they occasionally study into the Greek and Hebrew it was taken from.

So how is using any translation , considered being part of a cult ?
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Hi Nathan,

I think that the cult character is the use of the word "inerrancy" to describe the KJV and not any other Bibles. I love the KJV dearly but that doesn't make it an inerrant translation.


On that note, I found a scan of a real 1769 Blayney. :) It's a very beautiful Bible and it still has side notes. Unfortunately it's image scan only, not text. You all should check this out:

The 1769 King James Bible – Benjamin Blayney Edition | Original Bibles
 
p_rehbein

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Andrew1 said:
As to whether it's a sin to use the modern versions to me that's like asking is it a sin to punch yourself in the face or to eat a bowl of tacks. The question then is, Is it healthy or in your self interest to eat a bowl of tacks? I would say that yes it's probably wrong to eat a bowl of tacks. I'm pretty sure that God would not approve but that's because he loves us and doesn't want us to be harmed. My objective here is to inform Christians that their spiritual food and weaponry has been tampered with. Yes it is a sin for them not to listen but I don't despise them for it. Not that I'm saying that anybody does. But I suppose I'm more concerned with trying to show Christians that they can have far more spiritual strength if they have a Bible they can believe in and has no errors, rather than one that they believe has errors in it. I think the greater sin and condemnation falls on those who are pedaling these false Bibles and profiting from them and especially the ones who are aware of what they are doing. I guess I do essentially agree with this video, but I think it left out the point I just made.
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In spite of your intentions.............what you have actually done is say that The Lord God is not capable of assuring that His Word be translated into whatever language to assure that "all the world" has access to His Holy Word. So, what you have done is say that God really ain't all that powerful, because a few guys with pen and ink can corrupt His Holy Word, and there isn't anything He can do about it.

Now, I know you did not mean this, but this is exactly what you are saying........think about it.......

Me? I believe God can do whatever He wants, with whoever He wants, whenever He wants, and no man can hold God to accounting..........Read Job, and God asserts this quite clearly.

Read whatever Bible/Translation you want......matters not to me........just be sure to read....
 
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1disciple said:
The KJV is ok, but they really made a big mistake taking out 1 & 2 Maccabees. Publishers should definitely put it back in so the student without access to a lot of historical works can make some sense of the intertestamental period. Without Maccabees, the Feast of Hanukkah really doesn't have a context when we find it mentioned in John 10. We also have no context for Jesus as Messiah from the prophecies of Daniel without the prehistory of Maccabees. I'm convinced that Maccabees is an important an divinely intended part of the Bible, even though it may not have been inspired as Prophecy is inspired, yet its history is based upon prophecy and comes from a prophetic viewpoint even though it wasn't part of Ezra's original works of history of Gen. - 2 Kings. That's why I stick with the Septuagint. If it was good enough for Paul and Silas, it's good enough for me. The KJV is ok if you're into modern.
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That's a very good point. In the KJV, John 10:22 contains one of the eleven references in the NT to the Apocrypha.

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You asked why the King James Bible.
Because it is the only translation taken from the original greek and Hebrew
When the Bible was written. the only way to understand it is through the
of these original words which is contained in the Hebrew and Greek concordance.
you can't study other translations because the way it is written in words are not
contained n the Original Greek or Hebrew Text and when studying it is vital to know
and understand the original words so they can be correctly interpreted.
Otherwise you could misunderstand or get a completely different meaning
or understanding you shouldn't thats why we have a Greek and Hebrew Concordance.
 
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Agricola said:
Reading The King James Bible is not a cult. The King James Onlyists are the cult, the people who claim that the King James Bible of 1611 is the only perfect Bible in existence and there never will be another. This Bible has been refined and crafted by God as mentioned in the Psalms, they claim all other Bibles after its existence are evil and written by Satan, the cult gives countless examples of corrupt verses, two of which I posted yet again but never get a reply from the cult members as to why their cult objects to that translation.

The cult claims that if people are told about the Bible Issue, and they continue to use other Bibles other than the King James 1611, then they will have to answer to Christ as to why they read other texts other than the 1611.

These are all hallmarks of a cult.
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that doesn't qualify as a cult to me. a bit zealous yes , a cult no .
 
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Agricola said:
Reading The King James Bible is not a cult. The King James Onlyists are the cult, the people who claim that the King James Bible of 1611 is the only perfect Bible in existence and there never will be another. This Bible has been refined and crafted by God as mentioned in the Psalms, they claim all other Bibles after its existence are evil and written by Satan, the cult gives countless examples of corrupt verses, two of which I posted yet again but never get a reply from the cult members as to why their cult objects to that translation.

The cult claims that if people are told about the Bible Issue, and they continue to use other Bibles other than the King James 1611, then they will have to answer to Christ as to why they read other texts other than the 1611.

These are all hallmarks of a cult.
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That does not qualify as a cult, A cult is a group of people that do not allow people to make decisions on their own and think for themselves. What you describe is not a cult. A little zealous yes, a cult ? No.
 
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JaumeJ

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That is a paraphrase of what the Word says. The written word kills, it is dead and death without the Holy Spirit to give it life. How manyu have killed so many in the name of the written word without the understanding given by the Holy Spirit? Yahweh knows it is myriads.



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I'm not exactly sure what verse you are referring to, please quote. Where does it say that the written word is dead?

Heb 4:12 'For the word of God is quick,...' ie alive '...and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.' (Hebrews 4:12)

I agree that it is the Holy Spirit that gives us understanding but that is through the inerrant word. So anyway:

'34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;' (John 10:34-35)

We see here the written word referred to as the word of God and scripture.

'All scripture is given by inspiration of God,...' (2Timothy 3:16

Here it must be inferred that the written scriptures were given by inspiration of God.

'In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;'

Here we must infer that there can be no errors in the written scriptures because God cannot lie. So if there are errors those errors are not scripture and hold no authority.
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jessika said:
You asked why the King James Bible.
Because it is the only translation taken from the original greek and Hebrew
When the Bible was written. the only way to understand it is through the
of these original words which is contained in the Hebrew and Greek concordance.
you can't study other translations because the way it is written in words are not
contained n the Original Greek or Hebrew Text and when studying it is vital to know
and understand the original words so they can be correctly interpreted.
Otherwise you could misunderstand or get a completely different meaning
or understanding you shouldn't thats why we have a Greek and Hebrew Concordance.
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I'm not opposed to using a Greek and Hebrew concordances, but just because a Greek and Hebrew concordance says a word means something doesn't mean it is necessarily right. People use to believe that Reem meant unicorn or rhinoceros now a lot of modern scholars believe it means wild ox but not all some people still believe it means unicorn. Strongs concordance could very well be wrong it's not an infallible document. The only infallible document we have in existence today is the Bible.
 
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nathan3 said:
that doesn't qualify as a cult to me. a bit zealous yes , a cult no .
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'A bit zealous' Regardless of your intent I can't help but take that as a compliment thank you :)
 
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The King James Bible is beautiful but a modern translation helps to clarify some of the archaic language used in the KJV.
I recall the old joke about two people discussing the bible and one said I stick to the King James Bible wot Paul read. If it was good enough for him its good enough for me!
 
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Why not? It's a personal choice, just as is any other Translation any other person reads/prefers.
 
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nathan3 said:
? How is using a Bible translation that's been around since the 16oo's and newer translations work from also, how is that considered a cult ? A bible translation that people have learned God's words from for many years a cult ? That makes no logical sense to me.

I could care less what translation people use as long as they occasionally study into the Greek and Hebrew it was taken from.

So how is using any translation , considered being part of a cult ?
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it becomes a cult when it becomes exclusive and those who use other translations are seen as somehow unspiritual.
 
JaumeJ

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This would be true of any translation , if and when this understanding applies.

Back in the day, please do not ask which day, the RSV was regarded with a raised eyebrow or more.

I have always been very comfortable with the KJV, but I read the RSV, ASV, Oxford University versions, and so many more.

If one is most comvortable with the New Jerusalem Version, then he should use it.

The only Authority in what to read is the Holy Spirit guiding the reader. Praise God, and always asks His wisdom in understanding what is being read. .


valiant said:
it becomes a cult when it becomes exclusive and those who use other translations are seen as



somehow unspiritual.
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NIV is the most perverse version. They have taken the word,God out over 600 times. Zondervan publishing company made this version for money.
 
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MsLimpet said:
NIV is the most perverse version. They have taken the word,God out over 600 times. Zondervan publishing company made this version for money.
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Oh, boy. *headdesk*
 
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