AntiChrist

i think the anti christ will be jewish and if thats not acceptable for america it will be by that time... what do you think

by the way is barack muslim

no right??

[Bob1953]

Originally Posted by yaeger1

i think the anti christ will be jewish and if thats not acceptable for america it will be by that time... what do you think

Why do you believe that?

i dont know it just got in my head, like all the jewish people would have someone to rub in our faces becuse hed be able to do all the things with secret christian haters leaders, and they would think hes so great that they beviel hes the true christ and will never abandon anything he says or something like that and all the american christians would just have to take it

[Bob1953]

Originally Posted by yaeger1

i dont know it just got in my head, like all the jewish people would have someone to rub in our faces becuse hed be able to do all the things with secret christian haters leaders, and they would think hes so great that they beviel hes the true christ and will never abandon anything he says or something like that and all the american christians would just have to take it

I don’t know if I understood that. Are you saying that Jewish people who hate Christians will find a leader who will make life difficult for Christians, and Christians will just have to live with it?

I do not know all things, but I highly doubt if such a thing is in the works. There are lunatics in every society who dream up such schemes, certainly, but I’m not aware of much animosity between Jews and Christians. We get along pretty well, don’t we?

Originally Posted by yaeger1

i dont know it just got in my head, like all the jewish people would have someone to rub in our faces becuse hed be able to do all the things with secret christian haters leaders, and they would think hes so great that they beviel hes the true christ and will never abandon anything he says or something like that and all the american christians would just have to take it

The Jews are expecting their Messiah, they have already had many, many false ones, they are always expecting their messiah to establish their worldly kingdom, many pretend christians are also awaiting the jewish messiah.

"Jesus answered, "My kingdom is - not of this world: if My kingdom was of this world My servants would fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence." John 18:36

Originally Posted by Bob1953

I don’t know if I understood that. Are you saying that Jewish people who hate Christians will find a leader who will make life difficult for Christians, and Christians will just have to live with it?

I do not know all things, but I highly doubt if such a thing is in the works. There are lunatics in every society who dream up such schemes, certainly, but I’m not aware of much animosity between Jews and Christians. We get along pretty well, don’t we?

no thats not what im saying lol i means kinda like jews are still looking for there king and that could be a ruler like theres alot of jews in the unted states right? and there will be more later no doubt and there will be less of a love for christianity or less resecpt im talking like 50-150 years in the futur this could be a reality mainly im saying this becuse i think the anti christ will be a untied states leader and a jew or maybe a muslim

[Bob1953]

Originally Posted by yaeger1

no thats not what im saying lol i means kinda like jews are still looking for there king and that could be a ruler like theres alot of jews in the unted states right? and there will be more later no doubt and there will be less of a love for christianity or less resecpt im talking like 50-150 years in the futur this could be a reality mainly im saying this becuse i think the anti christ will be a untied states leader and a jew or maybe a muslim

Are you paranoid?

Originally Posted by Bob1953

Are you paranoid?

not at all

Under the Talmud's counterfeight Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus Christ is forbidden under penalty of death - beheading. Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry (Enziklopedia Tamudit note 1, pp. 351-352).

Furthermore, all non-Jews would have the legal status of ger toshav ("resident alien" cf. Alan Unterman Dictionary of Jewish Lore and Legend (London: Thames and Hudson, 1991, p. 148.)

Jewish "Torah maintains that of all nations have a place in the World to come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion...And while the Christians do generally accept the hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the divinity of Jesus) are idolators according to the Torah, punishable by death and will not enoy the World to come." Israeli Mechon-Mamre website, June 26, 2000, Jerusalem.


Under new World order Noahide Laws Christians will be beheaded by guillotine for testimnoy of the divinity of Jesus Christ, according the Talmud, the holy book of the Jews, worship of Jesus Christ is idolatry punishable by death.

[Bob1953]

Originally Posted by Cup-of-Ruin

Under the Talmud's counterfeight Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus Christ is forbidden under penalty of death - beheading. Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry (Enziklopedia Tamudit note 1, pp. 351-352).

Furthermore, all non-Jews would have the legal status of ger toshav ("resident alien" cf. Alan Unterman Dictionary of Jewish Lore and Legend (London: Thames and Hudson, 1991, p. 148.)

Jewish "Torah maintains that of all nations have a place in the World to come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion...And while the Christians do generally accept the hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the divinity of Jesus) are idolators according to the Torah, punishable by death and will not enoy the World to come." Israeli Mechon-Mamre website, June 26, 2000, Jerusalem.


Under new World order Noahide Laws Christians will be beheaded by guillotine for testimnoy of the divinity of Jesus Christ, according the Talmud, the holy book of the Jews, worship of Jesus Christ is idolatry punishable by death.

Are there not Christians living in Israel at this moment?

Originally Posted by Bob1953

Are there not Christians living in Israel at this moment?

Yes there are, they have the status of 'illegal alien' under Jewish law.

[Bob1953]

Originally Posted by Cup-of-Ruin

Yes there are, they have the status of 'illegal alien' under Jewish law.

But didn‘t you say Christians were being beheaded?

Originally Posted by yaeger1

i dont know it just got in my head, like all the jewish people would have someone to rub in our faces becuse hed be able to do all the things with secret christian haters leaders, and they would think hes so great that they beviel hes the true christ and will never abandon anything he says or something like that and all the american christians would just have to take it

The anti-christ will not be Jewish. The Bible has long established that the anti-christ will come
from the European nations.

The anti-christ will not be someone that will help the Jews or anyone else rub anybody in any way.
The anti-christ is not focused on the squabbles of mankind. The anti-christ total focus is on world
domination.

While it is true the Jews will follow the anti-christ, they do not follow him because he is their saviour.
They follow him because the Jews always need a sign. They needed a sign even when Jesus stood
before them and healed the sick of incurable diseases though the sign was right in front of them.
The Jews have long held that their Saviour would be a King of Power. When Christ returns, the
Jews will still reject Him even though He returns in the clouds for all to see. Then once the rapture
has taken place and the church has been removed, the anti-christ will rule and the Jews follow
the anti-christ who seemingly has all the correct answers so in the Jews eyes that believe their
Saviour will return and grant peace, the anti-christ appears to be their Saviour based on the
signs (his works of peace) that fall apart 3 1/2 years later when the second half of the
tribulation gets really bad and the anti-christ shows his true colors and starts killing Believers
by the thousands.
The Jews will not accept Christ till after the tribulation when He returns and removes the
anti-christ to rule.

The "American Christians" and any other Christians that Jesus deems His Children will not be
here on earth due to the rapture. So no one will rub anything on them.

In all places in the Bible where God was going to pass judgment on a civilzation or town, God
removed His Children before doing so even if He needed to send Angels to physically remove
them because they wouldn't leave. Since God does not change, based on these past actions
of God, His Children are exempt from the judgment of destruction He passes on non-Believers.
As His Children, God has promised we would not be judged as condemned like non-believers.
We will only receive judgment for the sins we committed but not eternal death.

Since God always removed His Children prior to passing judgment on the earth, I believe He will
do the same by rapturing His Church (His Bride) from the earth prior to the tribulation. Though
this is not guaranteed, it is Biblically based on God's Character.

I don't get caught up in arguing over whether or not the church will be here during the
tribulation. What Christians should be focused on is growing in Christ and accessing His Power
in case we are.

If most Christians worried as much about their relationship with God and following His commands
as they do about the things He never said to concern ourselves with like the tribulation, who is
the anti-christ, will the church be raptured before the tribulation, they wouldn't need to worry
about these things because of their faith in Christ and His Promises.

It seems many interpret the Bible in one of the following manners:

Once saved, always saved - this appears to be true but we are commanded to tell others and
do good works. Not just sit on our holier-than-thou pew every Sunday.

You are not saved if you can't speak in tongues - note here that talking in tongues in the Bible
only happened when both an Apostle and Jews were present. There is no place in The Bible that
a person spoke in tongues when both were not present. Since we have no Apostles today,
talking in tongues doesn't happen I believe.

Live your life right and you too can become a god - if this were true and a god can do anything
they want, why haven't any of these gods returned to let us know we can become gods?


Many judge the Jews for not accepting Christ but just like the Jews, many focus on things that
Christ never commanded. Christ was very clear and salvation and living a Christ-like life is His
main commands.

If Christians were expending the energy they expend on worrying about all the things Christ said
to trust Him for on doing what Christ said to do, Christians wouldn't be as messed up as they are.
Christ said Believe on My Name -Believe I came, died on a cross and was resurrected in 3 days -
Believe that I am Your Saviour - Repent of your sins and receive eternal life.

I'm sure many noticed I left baptism out. But baptism was never commanded in order to be saved.
Baptism is a symbol of the burial of our old sinful body and the beginning of our new spiritual
life in Christ. It is good to be baptized so you have a clear mental picture of the starting point
of your life in Christ but baptism has nothing to do with being saved and going to heaven.

If Christians were reading God's Word and applying it to their lives and hearts while growing
in knowledge of God instead of all the thiungs Christians worry about that God has already
taken care of or decided how it will end and following Christ's commands and spreading His
Word to the world, then the world would know Christians as His Children and They would
be the Light of the World. Instead the world knows Christians as just some self-professed
do gooders that worry about the same things as the world does never demonstrating that
the Jesus they preach has any authority or that they don't need to worry based on Jesus'
Supreme Authority.

The world can't tell a Christian from a person with a good heart and good intentions which
may be why the world thinks people with such traits are Christians. While these
non-believers are believed to be Christians and many like them, many want nothing to do
with the self-righteous, judging, condemning, better-than-everyone-else attitude many
Christians display today. Many Christians focus on believing in God but execute none of
Christ's teachings and precepts to show others they are actually a Christian.

Most Christians today would look at someone that was dealt a bad hand by life and consider
them as trash not to be talked to. But that person might have a college education and
become a Believer that saves thousands if they were given a helping hand instead of
having judgment passed on them because they are unable to take a shower due to a
catatrophic event in their life.

Things aren't always what they seem. Jesus rebuked the clean, bathed religious leaders
of His Day but sat down and ate with those considered as "dirty having judgment passed on
them because they are unable to take a shower".

Christians should follow Christ's example and stop looking for only those that have taken
a shower to tell about His Gift of Salvation.

Amazingly, not much has changed in over 2,000 years. Those that are clean reject Jesus
and those that are considered dirty readily accept Jesus. Maybe there is a lesson to be
learned here?

Originally Posted by yaeger1

not at all

If you are paranoid, you are no different than most Christians that say they trust Christ.
I'm amazed at all the things Christians spend their time worrying about instead of following
Christ's commands. If you are following Christ's commands, you will be too busy to worry
about things you can't control and God has already decided thousands of years before
you or anyone today started worrying about them.

You honestly think the Jews are so concerned with Christians that they would rub it in our faces when a man they thought to be the Messiah arrived? You realize how juvenile that sounds, right?
"Your messiah isn't the real messiah, and ours is. ner ner na ner ner!"

Originally Posted by Bob1953

But didn‘t you say Christians were being beheaded?

No, I said that under new World Noahide Laws they are to be beheaded, when they are put in place under the World Jewish leader the they will be enacted, at the moment it is acceptable under Jewish law for a Jew to kill a non-Jew.

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772.

Sanhedrin 57a. "When a Jew murders a gentile (Cuthean), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."

Yebamoth 98a. "All gentile children are animals."

Rosh Hashanah 17a. "Christians and others who reject the Talmud will go to Hell and be punished there for all generations."


Under Jewish law it is acceptable for Jews to kill non-Jews, or steal anything they have, according to the Talmud a non-Jew or a gentile is an animal and may be offered as a blood sacrifice to the god of the Jews.

Originally Posted by Cup-of-Ruin

No, I said that under new World Noahide Laws they are to be beheaded, when they are put in place under the World Jewish leader the they will be enacted, at the moment it is acceptable under Jewish law for a Jew to kill a non-Jew.

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772.

Sanhedrin 57a. "When a Jew murders a gentile (Cuthean), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."

Yebamoth 98a. "All gentile children are animals."

Rosh Hashanah 17a. "Christians and others who reject the Talmud will go to Hell and be punished there for all generations."


Under Jewish law it is acceptable for Jews to kill non-Jews, or steal anything they have, according to the Talmud a non-Jew or a gentile is an animal and may be offered as a blood sacrifice to the god of the Jews.

refuting the quotes:
http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/The_Talmud

http://www.geocities.com/athens/cyprus/8815/qts.html

supporting the quotes:
http://www.arkpower-light.com/id16.html

I find it interesting that the site supporting these erroneous and incredible quotes is a site that promotes anti-semitic and white supremist belifs.


Honestly Cup, come off it, and save your offensive beliefs for someone who cares. I am not Jewish, but I am half-black, so seeing quotes that can be found supported by a white-supremist group is highly offensive to me.

furthermore, if you spent half as much time reading the Torah as you did looking up quotes that could discredit and shed a bad light on Jews, you might know that God handed down laws requiring the Jew to love the strangers (Deut 10:19), not kill him or treat him as anything less than human.

[watchmen]

Originally Posted by yaeger1

by the way is barack muslim

Originally Posted by yaeger1

no right??

He is a muslim