obeying the old testiment

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yaeger1

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i saw some laws in levitcus, do not cut off the hair on the sides of your head or clip off the edges of our beardm do not cut your self for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselfs. I am the Lord. Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere for your God. I am the Lord.

what does this mean its in the bible does that mean we as chritans have to obey these laws?
i know paul washer(youtube) a christian makes his son obey that last one but are these laws for us (christian) to obey?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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i saw some laws in levitcus, do not cut off the hair on the sides of your head or clip off the edges of our beardm do not cut your self for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselfs. I am the Lord. Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere for your God. I am the Lord.

what does this mean its in the bible does that mean we as chritans have to obey these laws?
i know paul washer(youtube) a christian makes his son obey that last one but are these laws for us (christian) to obey?
No they are not applicable under the New Covenant, you can read the Book of Hebrews for the confirmation of the New Covenant.
 
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yaeger1

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No they are not applicable under the New Covenant, you can read the Book of Hebrews for the confirmation of the New Covenant.

so wait there was some stuff in the old testiment that i know God wouldnt want happeing today in christian living can you explane like what stays from the old testiment??
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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so wait there was some stuff in the old testiment that i know God wouldnt want happeing today in christian living can you explane like what stays from the old testiment??
Yes, but you referred to Levitical laws, what in particular would you like to know? Can you be more specific?
 
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yaeger1

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well like its say do let your daughter become a prostitue or else the land with be filled with prostitution... i know God has a problem with THAT
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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well like its say do let your daughter become a prostitue or else the land with be filled with prostitution... i know God has a problem with THAT
Well does that seem reasonable to you? "I will put My laws into their mind, and write them on their hearts, and I will be unto them a God, and they shall be to Me, a people" Hebrews 8:10.

Under the new Covenant, a Christian has God's laws in His mind and heart, the Holy Spirit testifies truth and justice directly to you.
 
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yaeger1

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so becuse im christian that means that only if i belive its wrong that it is???
 
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so becuse im christian that means that only if i belive its wrong that it is???
We must keep the 10 commandments, but the 603 Jewish civil laws are not for Gentiles whether Christ or non christian, whether old or new covenant. Just as Canadian laws are not for Americans.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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so becuse im christian that means that only if i belive its wrong that it is???
As a Christian you are a representative of Christ on earth until His kingdom comes, if you love God then you shall do His will, if you are in error He will send His Spirit to correct you and lead you into His truth and justice, if you do well, then He shall provide confirmation of such.
 
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concernedguy

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i saw some laws in levitcus, do not cut off the hair on the sides of your head or clip off the edges of our beardm do not cut your self for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselfs. I am the Lord. Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere for your God. I am the Lord.

what does this mean its in the bible does that mean we as chritans have to obey these laws?
i know paul washer(youtube) a christian makes his son obey that last one but are these laws for us (christian) to obey?

The hair cutting does not apply to today. Those specific laws were unique to the time they lived.

Today though, the law is still in effect in general. Jesus said He came not to condemn the law
but to confirm it.

The laws of the Old Testament were laws given by God under the law of blood. There was no
way to forgive sin in the Old Testament days. So they sacrificed animals to cover it up so God
could look at them. Under the law, no sin can be forgiven except by the shedding of blood.

The law was confirmed in Christ when He came to be the ultimate, only and last blood
sacrifice required of God for the forgiveness of sin.

Also, under the law, no one but the high priest could approach God and only once a year. If
a high priest got any of the commandments God included in the law wrong, God killed them
immediately.

Under the new covenant, Jesus enforced the Old Testament laws but became the Eternal
High Priest that allows use direct access to God. Now that Christ has become the final blood
offering for sin, we no longer need to keep the laws of the Old Testament in regard to the
forgiving of sin. All other spiritual aspects remain and are still active today.

Once Jesus came, we no longer need to be circumcised to prove we are a Believer. But all
the laws regarding how we treat others, how we treat other Christians and how we live
our lives are still in place.

The biggest problem with the Jews - and the one that got Jesus crucified - was that Jesus
taught against the Old Testament ways of blood sacrifice. Jesus taught He was God in
human form which no Jew would ever accept. They still don't. Even after Christ returns
to rapture the Church, they still do not believe. Only after the anti-christ fools them and
Christ steps in to save them do the Jews believe.

Jesus took the entire Old Testament law and condensed it in one law - Love your neighbor
as yourself. Once Jesus died, He gave the commandment to go unto all the world telling
them of His Gift of Eternal Life. Instead of spending all our time trying to worship and
cover our sins with blood offerings, Jesus said He would be our blood offering and we are
now to spend our time spreading His Word to the world.

To me, I still feel tattoos are not for Christians but many had them before they were saved.
I think the primary concern in regard to tattoos is that if people are accustomed to tattoos,
they may see nothing wrong with taking the mark of the beast. Once a person has the mark
of the beast, they are condemned. Many may take the mark out of ignorance of God's Laws
but once they do, its too late.

Its sort of like a child that has never seen a gun before. But once it is fired, the results are
the same regardless of what the child knows. God holds us accountable to know His Word and
His requirements. Taking the mark of the beast just because you were hungry is something
God will not forgive.

Many do not understand that this time we live in is the time of grace. Your sins are forgiven.
But after the rapture and the start of the tribulation, the only way to be saved is to meet
the current requirements of believing in Christ but with one significant addition. Once in
the tribulation, you must die to get to heaven. Today, all those going to heaven are under
grace and will go to heaven even if alive if Christ appears in the clouds.

Now is the time to accept Christ's Gift of Eternal Life while it is free in a sense. Once the
tribulation starts, it has a price.

That's why we sing the song - Blessed are those that freely choose You now. Once the
tribulation starts, getting to heaven really does mean as the Bible says - you must die
to yourself.
 
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lil-rush

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Well does that seem reasonable to you? "I will put My laws into their mind, and write them on their hearts, and I will be unto them a God, and they shall be to Me, a people" Hebrews 8:10.

Under the new Covenant, a Christian has God's laws in His mind and heart, the Holy Spirit testifies truth and justice directly to you.
Hello Shema, meet Cup-of-Ruin. http://www.jewfaq.org/prayer/shema.htm

"And these words I command you today shall be in your heart." The words were always supposed to be on one's heart. That isn't a new concept, my dear. As Ecclesiastes 1:9 says "...there is nothing new under the sun."
 
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lil-rush

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Yes, but you referred to Levitical laws, what in particular would you like to know? Can you be more specific?
It's not Levitical laws. the laws aren't divided up into books. It is simply Halakhah (Jewish Law), divided into Torah laws, Rabbinic laws, and long standing customs/traditions. You can't call it Levitical laws because laws found in Leviticus could be found in Deuteronomy could be found in Exodus could be found in Numbers. The laws repeat themselves in some cases, so they are not classified by what book they are in.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Hello Shema, meet Cup-of-Ruin. http://www.jewfaq.org/prayer/shema.htm

"And these words I command you today shall be in your heart." The words were always supposed to be on one's heart. That isn't a new concept, my dear. As Ecclesiastes 1:9 says "...there is nothing new under the sun."
That's right my dear, Israel had the laws written on their hearts and in their minds, as Jesus said "I come only for the lost sheep of Israel" all of Israel and the House of Judah became Christian and were saved as prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-38, and confirmed in the New Testament Hebrews 8:8-12.

There truly is nothing new under the sun.
 
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lil-rush

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what does this mean its in the bible does that mean we as chritans have to obey these laws?
No. We are not supposed to obey the law because it is in the Bible. We are supposed to obey the law because God told us to.
 
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concernedguy

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so becuse im christian that means that only if i belive its wrong that it is???

If you are a Christian, you will read God's Word and I suggest a good study guide so you will understand
Who God is and how He wants things done in regard to Who He is.

As you read and understand the Bible, you learn about God's Person. Once you understand God's Person,
you will find many things easy to discern.

As far as something being wrong only if you believe it is, that isn't true. God said, There are many ways
that seem right unto a man but the end thereof is death.

Its like saying, I'm a Christian that believes in gay rights. We are to be like Christ. Christ hates sin.
Being gay is not a sin. Living the gay life style is the sin. Since we are to be Christ-like and Christ hates
sin, we too must hate sin or we are not Christ-like.

Many get confused by saying something like, I think gays should live their life and it doesn't affect me
so I'm ok with that. What many don't realize is that they just said God is wrong.

God is not a democracy. God is a do-it-my-way-or-go-straight-to-hell way.

God is not concerned with your sinful thoughts that disregard Who He is. On the other hand, God will
bless and empower anything you do in His Name.

A while back, a Catholic Priest stood up and said it was time the church welcomed the homosexual
priest or priests into the church. I can't understand how anyone that knows God can ever say this.
It is the same as saying, Let's have anything that God holds as an abomination as leader of His church.
I guess the most surprising thing I noticed about this was that none of the so-called Christians stood
up for the God they love and follow and defend His Truths in the face of the devil-words this God
fearing priest said.

Its no wonder the church is just as confused as the world. Most Christians go to church on Sunday
and live like hell the rest of the week with no concern for God's Laws or reading His Word. It is the
Pastor of their church's responsibility to teach them about God. Every Christian has the responsibility
to read and understand God's Word, Who He is and His views so we are standing ready to defend
our God with a moments notice.

Most see God as God and not as He wants us to see Him. We are to see Him as God but the
second way God wants us to see Him is as a Friend. He wants a relationship with each of us.
Wanting this relationship with each of us is the reason for the Old Testament Laws and then
sending His Son to die for us. God wanted to show us and say to us, "Please let me have a
relationship with you. See all I have done to show you how much I love you?"

But as usual, man has messed it up. The Old Testament Laws were never designed as a way
for man to live. The Laws were sent as a rule for us to measure ourselves by and then see
that we could in no way live up to the Laws and turn to God for help. But as usual, man in his
great wisdom didn't turn to God. He created his own rules.
Since man was too arrogant and refused to see what God was trying to show him, God sent His
Son to die for our sins. This took the responsibility of keeping the Laws off man and offered a
different way to seek God.

Under the Laws, the only way to God was blood offering and the High Priest once a year.
Under the New Covenant under Jesus blood, we can seek God our self at any time without the
need for a High Priest since Jesus became our Eternal High Priest giving us access to God
24/7/365.

And 24/7/366 on leap year!
 
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