Christ died for ALL, that we might CHOOSE Him without exception. Study 2 Cor. 5

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13For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but (live) for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.


Those who "no longer live for themselves," this verse begs a question then: Who were these people before they choose to live for Christ, who died for them all.

Another question: "He died for all." Now, what does the word 'all' mean? Would you agree that if one dies for all then there is no one whom that person did not die for, and, of course, in this case, 'that person' is Christ, who died for ALL on the cross? :)
 
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This is a beautiful verse! I am glad you posted it. It is a great reminder of where we should be putting our trust: in Christ alone. The less we are trying to control our lives, the more God is in control!

By defining this verse to be referring to a global salvation, you are changing the focus of the verse. Don't get caught up in ideas about free will: they only lead to confusion. He chose you. There is such a great blessing in knowing that, believing it, and then living out the life of a chosen one.
Did Israel choose God, or did God chose Israel?

The ways of God are a mystery. If you disagree with His ways, Paul gives a warning: Romans 9:14-26 NIV
Verse 20 is the part I want you to make note of. If this wasn't a hard teaching, this verse wouldn't be there.

It says specifically in the Bible that we did not choose Him, and that we could not chose Him without God first giving us the gift of faith. Yes, it seems like we chose Him. None can deny that! But God is 100% sovereign, and man is 100% responsible, and the Bible is clear on this.

Don't try to argue with God about whether He is just in doing it this way.... HE IS GOD!
 
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LT said:
This is a beautiful verse! I am glad you posted it. It is a great reminder of where we should be putting our trust: in Christ alone. The less we are trying to control our lives, the more God is in control!

By defining this verse to be referring to a global salvation, you are changing the focus of the verse. Don't get caught up in ideas about free will: they only lead to confusion. He chose you. There is such a great blessing in knowing that, believing it, and then living out the life of a chosen one.
Did Israel choose God, or did God chose Israel?

The ways of God are a mystery. If you disagree with His ways, Paul gives a warning: Romans 9:14-26 NIV
Verse 20 is the part I want you to make note of. If this wasn't a hard teaching, this verse wouldn't be there.

It says specifically in the Bible that we did not choose Him, and that we could not chose Him without God first giving us the gift of faith. Yes, it seems like we chose Him. None can deny that! But God is 100% sovereign, and man is 100% responsible, and the Bible is clear on this.

Don't try to argue with God about whether He is just in doing it this way.... HE IS GOD!
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I was going to parse some of eLTee's knowledge for all, wisdom for bar none, but I could not, it's an incredibly uplifting and, even, understanding verse of how we come to Christ, to become SAVED. By GRACE !~through FAITH !

Don't work too much into the word 'freewill,' just realize that God, per Ephesians 2: 8,.9, gave us ALL the faith that we have, our measure of faith, which we MUST have to choose Him. We MUST ! I will post the most potent graph of a complete volume of graph's in eLTee's post that speaks loads, simply, of God's complete choosing of us ALL :)

Originally quoted by LT:It says specifically in the Bible that we did not choose Him, and that we could not chose Him without God first giving us the gift of faith. Yes, it seems like we chose Him. None can deny that! But God is 100% sovereign, and man is 100% responsible, and the Bible is clear on this.
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Do NOT go to BED tonight without meditating on this graph and, just as emboldened words by eLTee will reach you. He, a KID, 18 years old !!, speaking to you, giving you a great FAITH increase here !!! A revelation !!! HERE !!!!! :)
HEAR ! Through the eyes of faith SEE how He chose us, we did NOT choose Him, and, we ALL are to Love Him because He FIRST Loved us :)
 
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There's no doubt :)
 
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Without exception, Christ died for all. Listen to these words from Corinthians I listed, what is it about them that tells you that God died for all of us without exception. How can you decipher that text any different. No doubt. You can't. You can try, but, it's a foregone conclusion that He ,who is 'all and all,' died for you and me, and, don't you dare forget, 'everybody.' :)
 
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This is bearing false witness !
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Answer a question for me, savedbygrace, what does it mean to you to be 'saved by grace.'
Do you understand the all-encompassing meaning and witness of the word , 'grace' :)

"That we might choose Him." Do you see where this is said in Scripture, savedbygrace :)
 
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Savedbygrace, are you around ???????????? IF you are........ :)

Answer a question for me, savedbygrace, what does it mean to you to be 'saved by grace.'
Do you understand the all-encompassing meaning and witness of the word , 'grace.'
 
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There ya go, savedbyHisgrace, a little help for ya . Now answer the question for post #6, thank you :)

Answer a question for me, savedbygrace, what does it mean to you to be 'saved by grace.'
Do you understand the all-encompassing meaning and witness of the word , 'grace' :)

"That we might choose Him." Do you see where this is said in Scripture, savedbygrace
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LOL, did you actually look at my thread and find that you would use 2 Cor. 5 to support that Christ did not die for everyone in the other 'exception' thread ?
 
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.............WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish.............
 
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Answer a question for me, savedbygrace, what does it mean to you to be 'saved by grace.'
Do you understand the all-encompassing meaning and witness of the word , 'grace' :)

"That we might choose Him." Do you see where this is said in Scripture, savedbygrace :)
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I am not here to discuss me. I do know however you have witnessed a false Gospel.

his is a false statement and not found in the scripture:

Christ died for ALL, that we might CHOOSE Him without exception.
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.............WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish.............
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That's True, but those in the flesh cannot believe on Him !

Rom 8:8


8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Believing on Christ pleases God Heb 11:6 !
 
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I am not here to discuss me. I do know however you have witnessed a false Gospel.

his is a false statement and not found in the scripture:
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svedbygrace said:
That's True, but those in the flesh cannot believe on Him !

Rom 8:8


8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Believing on Christ pleases God Heb 11:6 !
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savedbygrace, don't answer my question then. It's a simple answer. We are ALL saved by GRACE :)

Grace is undeserved favor, just like mercy, which is the opposite of reward favor, but, judgment favor :)

LOL, at 'the judgment,' huh, YOU judging me, boy :) LOL, you should WAKE up, that's all, brother, and, REALIZE that you gonna get LESS rewards at the Bema Seat :( , since, we can both thank God we are SAVED and not going to The Judgment Seat (for non-believers) !
Don;t judge me, bro, I'm not judging you, I'm just showing you Scripture.

Keep 'me' out of it. :)


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But, yeah, WHO was Paul speaking to in 2 Corinthians 5 ? Was Paul speaking to a whole bunch of people living 'in the Spirit,' or, were some living in the flesh. You are NOT trying to tell me that everyone in the Corinth church was 'in the Spirit' at the time Paul addressed them??? Please, no. That's what's false then !

C'mon, brother, see the light, see Him :)

Christ CHOSE all men to come to Him, just like rehbeimbro says :) That none should perish, that whoever believes in Him , or, as you put it, fine, 'on Him,' IS saved. Your way is assuming that we are PERFECT now, 'in the Spirit.' NO, you still act in the flesh, just read Romans 3. FACT. 1 JOhn 3. Read, read :) STudy :)

Don't make this legalistic. Christ is NOT legalistic, you just BECOME the guilty party when you do that and we are BOTH cleaned, scraped, made free, by the blood of Jesus, The Lamb who died for you and me, His sacrifice, HIS, IS what we have for being able to become (CHOOSE) His righteousness, it is IMPUTED to us :)

ALL men have that choice .

What part of this do you say I teach falsely, it speaks explicitly and perfectly of choosing Him OUR CHOICE :)

and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but (live) for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
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see, savedbyHisgrace, YOU have to make a choice to live FOR Him. I still don't understand why you said I 'false' teach with 'his.' That was confusing, not just judgmental, I just hit on the judgmental first, to save your soul, bro :) but, yeah, can you explain yourself a bit better there, thanks :)

And, here is a verse that explains that God exhorts us to LIVE in the Spirit, it's not that we ARE living in the Spirit. IT IS A CHOICE ! :)

"Don't be misled—you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. Those who live only to satisfy their own sinful nature will harvest decay and death from that sinful nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit"
 
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svedbygrace said:
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That's a lie !
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What are you saved by then ? Your own power ? Not Christ's ?

Don't answer so foolish, savedbygrace :( Of course, this is Truth--grace, read Eph. 2: 8,9. Look at the Truth meanings of those words, bro.
Study.

We ARE saved by Christ's gracous gift of His Son having died for you, me, EVERYBODY, on that cross :)
 
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