Revelation chapter 12 Bible study.

[Isdaniel]

So in short what i see in the bible is that we must be covered in the blood of Jesus so God will pass over us when the plagues fall during the tribulation
Note that israel were not taken to Heaven but the blood allowed the angel of death to pass over them so it will also be in the futre when the angel pours out the plagues that Jesus blood will allow the angel to pass over Amen and Amen

 

[SpiritofFire]

What does it mean to be covered in His blood?

 

[GreenNnice]

So in short what i see in the bible is that we must be covered in the blood of Jesus so God will pass over us when the plagues fall during the tribulation
Note that israel were not taken to Heaven but the blood allowed the angel of death to pass over them so it will also be in the futre when the angel pours out the plagues that Jesus blood will allow the angel to pass over Amen and Amen

And you are covered by His blood THE MOMENT you accept Christ in your life and choose to follow Him. There is NOTHING that will take that away from you as long as you stay with Him, not wanting to go to The Enemy.


spiritfireHis, to be covered by the blood is to be free from all your sins, past, present, future, they are NO more remembered by Christ THE MOMENT you give them to Him, now, to note, this is an ongoing life process and, through faith, and, listening to His words and staying delved in The Word, we will know how to stay perfectly righteous, and, it's so simple, just living our life for Him ,realizing when we make mistakes/sins in our human nature that Christ is a confession away from forgetting 100% completely that sin, because He covers it with His blood, you/me/everybody who becomes His IS/ARE redeemed by the blood of The Lamb

 

[VCO]

Oh, you are welcome to go through the Tribulation, if you so choose; but WE born again Believers will be spared that Hour of Trial that will come upon the WHOLE Earth. Sorry, but when our Bridegroom Jesus Christ has the Archangel SHOUT and calls us out of our old dwelling place the earth, just before the Great Tribulation begins; we are leaving with or without you.

Rev 3:10 (NRSV)
10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Mat. 9:15 (NIV)
15 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.

Mat. 25:6 (NIV)
6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

Matt 25:13 (NKJV)
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

For those who have not heard of "A Christian Love Story" by Zola Levitt, here it is very reasonable in Kindle format. It explains the depth of the verses that refer to Christ as our Bridegroom; that you CANNOT understand without understanding the Jewish Wedding customs of the time of Christ.

A Christian Love Story: Zola Levitt: 9781930749269: Amazon.com: Books

Here is "A Christian Love Story" in Booklet format:

A Christian Love Story (booklet)

Here is the same info in this free online vidio, in which ZOLA will explain "A Christian Love Story", in part 2 of this two part Video on "The Miracle of Passover." You will learn how the Jews have been picturing a great deal of the TRUTHS about Jesus Christ the Messiah, in how they have been celebrating the Passover for the past 35 Centuries. Amazingly, the Passover Celebration has NOT changed one bit in all those Centuries. Of all people, they should have recognized their Messiah because of how they celebrated the Passover. I challenge all on this board to watch this two part video, (each part is about 26 minutes); and then tell me, you did not learn something very special about Jesus Christ from this program that explains how and why the Jews celebrate Passover.

ZLM Video: “Passover/Unleavened Bread”

 

[VCO]

1. The blood of Christ hath such a divine power to save, that nothing but it can ever save the soul. If some foolish Israelite had despised the command of God, and had said, "I will sprinkle something else upon the doorposts," or, "I will adorn the lintel with jewels of gold and silver," he must have perished; nothing could save his household but the sprinkled blood. And now let us all remember, that "other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, Jesus Christ," for "there is none other name given among men whereby we must be saved." My works, my prayers, my tears, cannot save me; the blood, the blood alone, has power to redeem. Sacraments, however well they may be attended to, cannot save me. Nothing but thy blood, O Jesus, can redeem me from the guilt of sin. Though I should give rivers of oil, and ten thousand of the fat of fed beasts; yea, though I should give my first-born for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul, all would be useless. Nothing but the blood of Jesus has in it the slightest saving-power.

Eph 2:8-9 (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Heb 9:22 (GWT)
22 As Moses' Teachings tell us, blood was used to cleanse almost everything, because if no blood is shed, no sins can be forgiven.


Do not confuse Salvation with Forgiveness.

 

[VCO]

So in short what i see in the bible is that we must be covered in the blood of Jesus so God will pass over us when the plagues fall during the tribulation
Note that israel were not taken to Heaven but the blood allowed the angel of death to pass over them so it will also be in the futre when the angel pours out the plagues that Jesus blood will allow the angel to pass over Amen and Amen

According to my WORDsearch 10, I find there is NO SUCH EXPRESSION as "covered in the blood" NOR "covered by the blood".

The old testament says the blood of scrificed animals covered sin. While the blood of Jesus washes sin totally away.

Rev 7:14 (NRSV)
14 I said to him, "Sir, you are the one that knows." Then he said to me, "These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The soiled robes were symolism for sin in the bodies of these Tribulation saints, and the cleansed in the blood of Christ white robes, symbolized that they now have a robe of holiness to put on.

 

[nathan3]

So who is this teacher, what are his credentials, and what is their Doctrinal Statement of Faith?

I will ALWAYS ask those kind of questions BEFORE I ever listen to one of them.

If your looking for man to give you their seal of approval for this or that, then you'll come up short.

Your going to want to ask himself, is it written ? The only way to know that, is to be familiar with your heavenly Fathers world also. Then you know what tree it is by their fruit .Its really that simple, but it takes prayer and hard work in study in the Bible.

 

[nathan3]

""word"" be familiar with His Words.

 

[VCO]

If your looking for man to give you their seal of approval for this or that, then you'll come up short.

Your going to want to ask himself, is it written ? The only way to know that, is to be familiar with your heavenly Fathers world also. Then you know what tree it is by their fruit .Its really that simple, but it takes prayer and hard work in study in the Bible.

NO!

I want to know the man's name who is doing the teaching.

I want to know the Bible College and Seminary that he graduated from.

I want to know WHAT IS HIS MINISTRY'S DOCTRINAL STATEMENT OF FAITH.

Before I ever sit and listen to that man teach.

It is a VERY BAD PRACTICE , and a sign of spiritual immaturity to listen to "every wind of doctrine" and then decide which is teaching the truth. Rather than checking out who they are, where they were educated, and what they believe FIRST.

Dr. Dave Hunt, Author of "The Seduction of Christianity", once said to a Congregation he was speaking to; talking about those who listen to just anyone who quotes from the Bible:

"If a witch doctor came into this Church chanting, dressed in war paint and feathers and tried to take over this Pulpit; two of you men would grab him by each arm and promptly throw him our the front door. HOWEVER if that very same man came in dressed in a suit and tie, totting a Bible, and even quoting from it now and then; YOU WOULD LISTEN TO THAT MAN ALL DAY LONG. That is exactly how and why the Seduction of Christianity is happening today."

Another reason you should NEVER listen to a teacher before checking out His Christian Credentials first is my son-inlaw. He admitted to me once that he used to read Watchtower magazines once in awhile, and thought some of their articles were very good. Then a few months later, my son-inlaw started debating me about the story of Lazarus and the rich man; and promptly quoted the Jehovah Witness view of the story and INSISTED that is what his CHURCH teaches; and I knew better. He did not realize by taking in both false doctrine and and true doctrince, that doctrine frequently gets mixed up and causes that person to FALL AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.

Gal 5:8-9 (NKJV)
8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Eph 4:13-14 (NKJV)
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

2 Cor 11:3-4 (ESV)
3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

 

[nathan3]

NO!

I would do what Christ instructed , are they producing good fruit or bad. The only way to tell, is to know God's word yourself and be familiar with it. You can't consult some ones certificate of graduation to know these things. Your not going to learn God's words from mans writings or books about God's words. You have to know God's word for yourself. Then you can tell the difference. ( Hebrews 5:12-14 ). If , we exercise our time with the Word of God, then you can know what is right from wrong . No other way. It has to be that; you know and study for yourself, then you know, your not going to get good fruit from a bad tree, or vice versa . Again , is the person reading and teaching from the Bible or his own words ? You have to, actually be familiar with whats write to know the difference. Some ones "background " is not going to teach you that. Is he teaching God's words ? Or , his own ? I can stress that enough, that we all as Christians either know God's words and what they teach, or were just kinda blowing with the winds.

 

[VCO]

I would do what Christ instructed , are they producing good fruit or bad. The only way to tell, is to know God's word yourself and be familiar with it. You can't consult some ones certificate of graduation to know these things. Your not going to learn God's words from mans writings or books about God's words. You have to know God's word for yourself. Then you can tell the difference. ( Hebrews 5:12-14 ). If , we exercise our time with the Word of God, then you can know what is right from wrong . No other way. It has to be that; you know and study for yourself, then you know, your not going to get good fruit from a bad tree, or vice versa . Again , is the person reading and teaching from the Bible or his own words ? You have to, actually be familiar with whats write to know the difference. Some ones "background " is not going to teach you that. Is he teaching God's words ? Or , his own ? I can stress that enough, that we all as Christians either know God's words and what they teach, or were just kinda blowing with the winds.

Fruit is life-style Charactistics, as listed in Gal. 5:22. You have to get up close and personal to examine their fruit, not watch a YouTube video, with NO NAME of the Bible Teacher or the Organization behind it, to validate what they teach and believe. REMEMBER, satan and demons will disquise themselves as ministers of light.

2 Cor. 11:13-15 (ESV)
13[SIZE=+0] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.[/SIZE]
14[SIZE=+0] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an [/SIZE][SIZE=+0]angel [/SIZE][SIZE=+0]of l[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]ight.[/SIZE]
15[SIZE=+0] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.[/SIZE]

THEN once you have validated their Doctrinal Statement of Faith, you can start to listen to them, BUT you also NEED to follow the example of the BEREANS.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

 

[Isdaniel]

His coming involves the “Dead in Christ” and the “Living in Christ”
Ø The speed of the event is like the “Twinkling of an eye”
Ø God will bring with Jesus, the “Dead in Christ” to the clouds
Ø Jesus will descend from Heaven with a shout
Ø The “Dead in Christ” rise first (Their bodies)
Ø The living in Christ follow being changed from mortal to eternal bodies
Ø The living and the dead “In Christ” meet Christ in the clouds
Ø They shall always be with the Lord

 

[Isdaniel]

Fruit is life-style Charactistics, as listed in Gal. 5:22. You have to get up close and personal to examine their fruit, not watch a YouTube video, with NO NAME of the Bible Teacher or the Organization behind it, to validate what they teach and believe. REMEMBER, satan and demons will disquise themselves as ministers of light.

2 Cor. 11:13-15 (ESV)
13[SIZE=+0] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.[/SIZE]
14[SIZE=+0] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an [/SIZE][SIZE=+0]angel [/SIZE][SIZE=+0]of l[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]ight.[/SIZE]
15[SIZE=+0] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.[/SIZE]

THEN once you have validated their Doctrinal Statement of Faith, you can start to listen to them, BUT you also NEED to follow the example of the BEREANS.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

is the word rapture in the bible ?

 

[VCO]

Paul presented the Christian credentials of Onesimus.

Philemon 1:10-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten while in my chains,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]who once was unprofitable to you, but now is profitable to you and to me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I am sending him back. You therefore receive him, that is, my own heart,

Paul presented the Christian credentials of Tychicus and Onesimus here.

Colossians 4:7-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Tychicus, a beloved brother, faithful minister, and fellow servant in the Lord, will tell you all the news about me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I am sending him to you for this very purpose, that he may know your circumstances and comfort your hearts,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]with Onesimus, a faithful and beloved brother, who is one of you. They will make known to you all things which are happening here.

Paul presented the Christian credentials of Tychicus here.
21 Tychicus, the dear brother and faithful servant in the Lord, will tell you everything, so that you also may know how I am and what I am doing.
22[SIZE=+0] I [/SIZE]am sending him to you for this very purpose, that you may know how we are, and that he may encourage you.

Paul presented the Christian credentionals of Timothy here.

1 Corinthians 4:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

1 Corinthians 4:16 (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

 

[VCO]

is the word rapture in the bible ?

The definition of the word Rapture is CERTAINLY THERE IN THE BIBLE and SO IS THE EVENT, but over years we given titles to a great number of Christian things and Events that do not have that exact word in the Bible; such as Holy Communion, Christmas, Easter (which in my opinion should be called First Fruits Sunday), Thanksgiving, baptistry, pew, benediction, Good Friday, Confirmation Services, Lutheran, Methodist, Congregationalist, Adventist, Pentecostal, Assembly of GOD, Baptist Church, Anglican, Mennonite, Evangical, etc., etc. NONE OF THOSE CHRISTIAN WORDS ARE FOUND IN THE THE BIBLE EITHER, SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT.


The definition of RAPTURED is "to be caught up to be with the LORD".


1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[nathan3]

Fruit is life-style Charactistics, as listed in Gal. 5:22. You have to get up close and personal to examine their fruit, not watch a YouTube video, with NO NAME of the Bible Teacher or the Organization behind it, to validate what they teach and believe. REMEMBER, satan and demons will disquise themselves as ministers of light.

2 Cor. 11:13-15 (ESV)
13[SIZE=+0] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.[/SIZE]
14[SIZE=+0] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an [/SIZE][SIZE=+0]angel [/SIZE][SIZE=+0]of l[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]ight.[/SIZE]
15[SIZE=+0] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.[/SIZE]

THEN once you have validated their Doctrinal Statement of Faith, you can start to listen to them, BUT you also NEED to follow the example of the BEREANS.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Galatians 5:22 does not address or use the word in the same manner , as Christ did; where I'm drawing my last comment from .

The subject here you brought up is false teachers. So I'm drawing on Christ teachings in Matthew; He says by their fruit that they produce, you'll know them, know the difference, IF, you have studied God's words. ( Matthew 7: 14- end.)

Is it difficult for you to watch a video ; to hear what is being taught in the video ? Is that hard ? The person is presenting a study with scripture. This should not be difficult , and should not send you flying off a cliff .

The Bereans example; is what I have been drumming on in my comments. They study the scriptures with readiness of mind. Watching a video, on Bible study , is study. The Bereans would received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

If you can't handle watching a bible study then don't bother with this then. Perhaps its its not for you.

Your also pushing a rapture before the tribulation , and there is no such thing in the order of events given by Christ. nor Paul. Have you read Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians ; or Mark 13 and Matthew 24 , Christ teachings on this ? They never mention a rapture. But I see people trying to fit it in there, and thinking it was there out of confusion of the Greek in I Thess 4.

 

[VCO]

Galatians 5:22 does not address or use the word in the same manner , as Christ did; where I'm drawing my last comment from .

The subject here you brought up is false teachers. So I'm drawing on Christ teachings in Matthew; He says by their fruit that they produce, you'll know them, know the difference, IF, you have studied God's words. ( Matthew 7: 14- end.)

Is it difficult for you to watch a video ; to hear what is being taught in the video ? Is that hard ? The person is presenting a study with scripture. This should not be difficult , and should not send you flying off a cliff .

The Bereans example; is what I have been drumming on in my comments. They study the scriptures with readiness of mind. Watching a video, on Bible study , is study. The Bereans would received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

If you can't handle watching a bible study then don't bother with this then. Perhaps its its not for you.

Your also pushing a rapture before the tribulation , and there is no such thing in the order of events given by Christ. nor Paul. Have you read Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians ; or Mark 13 and Matthew 24 , Christ teachings on this ? They never mention a rapture. But I see people trying to fit it in there, and thinking it was there out of confusion of the Greek in I Thess 4.

I have been studying the Bible for more than 34 years. I was a Volunteer Protestant Prison Chaplain for 15 years. I know my LORD personally, and willingly surrendered control of my life to HIM on Dec 29th, 1978.

I repeat it is a VERY UNWISE PRACTICE to listen to an UNKNOWN Pastor without checking to see what he teaches and believes FIRST. If you listen to him to determine if he truly is of GOD without checking his background first and Statement of Faith, and he turns out to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, YOU HAVE SPOTTED YOUR OWN GARMENT by the time you have watched or listened to him enough to determine that he truly is a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you have never read "The Seduction of Christianity", by Dr. Dave Hunt, you really need to. Almost every legitimate Church or Ministry publishes a "Statement of Faith", SO THAT people who are unfamiliar with that organization, can check them out BEFORE getting involved. ANYONE who does not make that information available up front, has given me a VERY BIG REASON NOT TO LISTEN TO THEM.

FOR Example:

Here is the Doctrinal Statement of Faith for the "Grace to You" Christian Radio Program, which are sermons by Dr. John MacArthur Jr. Grace to You And here is Dr. John MacArthur's educational background: John MacArthur's Biography

Here is "In Touch" Ministry's website featuring Dr. Charles Stanley's Sermons and you will find the same kind of Doctrinal Statement of Faith: What We Believe

Here is the Doctrinal Statement of Faith from Indian Hills Community Church in Lincoln, Nebraska: Statement of Faith | Indian Hills

Here is the Doctrinal Statement for Talbot School of Theology: Talbot School of Theology � Doctrinal Statement

I think you get the picture.

AND just so you know, THE FRUIT Jesus talked about CERTAINLY is the spiritual fruits listed in Gal. 5:22-23 and the fruit of the flesh in Gal 5:19-21.

Galatians 5:19-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Look at verse 20, is not greed a form of idolatry?

And did you know that the word sorcery in the Greek is:

pharmakeia
Root: from phulak- pharmakeuô (to administer drugs);

Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells:--—NASB Greek-Hebrew Dictionary

Therefore drug abuse is sorcery. So you think no Bible teacher would do that? I actually ran across a false prophet that tore a dear friend of our's away from the Church. He was gathering people in his home, to do BIBLE STUDY. With a BIG TWIST, he would have them smoke pot while they studied. AND he then twisted the scriptures to convince them that JESUS was a sinner. My wife and I seriously tried to pull her back out of that cult, but failed. It felt like Theresa died.

SO YES, I agree that when you find a ministry that produces any of the bad fruit listed in verses 19-21, you certainly can label that one a false prophet. But fruit is not a one time sin, but a life-style of living it.


HERE is CHRIST talking about the Rapture:

John 14:2-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Read the Parable of 10 Virgins again, it too is all about the Rapture, or as many of us prefer to call it, the Calling OUT of the Bride.We are leaving earth to go to Him in the CLOUDS, and then OFF we go to the New Dwelling place He has prepared for us in heaven for the Wedding of the Church to the LAMB, Jesus Christ. "I go to prepare a place for you", word for word comes out of a Jewish wedding preposal from the time of Christ. It is what the Bridegroom always says immediately after the Bride accepts His proposal. HE would leave to build that New Dwelling Place, in or near His Father's house. HE WOULD NOT COME BACK to the old dwelling place of His Bride until the NIGHT of HIS Father's final inspection of the New Dwelling Place, and HIS FATHER said "It is finished, go get your Bride Son". Even when calling out the Bride, the Bridegroom NEVER set foot in the old dwelling place, but stopped short of the old dwelling place of the Bride and had a member of His wedding party SHOUT to call out the Bride. He as already Chosen the Archangel to SHOUT and call us OUT of our old dwelling place, earth. THE WEDDING always lasted 7 days back then, and that Week of Years that is the Great Tribulation, is also the 70th WEEK of Daniel, and the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven in the New City Jerusalem. We Leave for the Wedding, GOD finishes the Covenant with Israel, and pours out His Wrath on the Unbelievers. ONLY at the End of the weeklong wedding ceremony did Bridegroom return with His Bride, to the old dwelling place of the Bride, for the Wedding Feast.

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

 

[Isdaniel]

I have been studying the Bible for more than 34 years. I was a Volunteer Protestant Prison Chaplain for 15 years. I know my LORD personally, and willingly surrendered control of my life to HIM on Dec 29th, 1978.

I repeat it is a VERY UNWISE PRACTICE to listen to an UNKNOWN Pastor without checking to see what he teaches and believes FIRST. If you listen to him to determine if he truly is of GOD without checking his background first and Statement of Faith, and he turns out to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, YOU HAVE SPOTTED YOUR OWN GARMENT by the time you have watched or listened to him enough to determine that he truly is a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you have never read "The Seduction of Christianity", by Dr. Dave Hunt, you really need to. Almost every legitimate Church or Ministry publishes a "Statement of Faith", SO THAT people who are unfamiliar with that organization, can check them out BEFORE getting involved. ANYONE who does not make that information available up front, has given me a VERY BIG REASON NOT TO LISTEN TO THEM.

FOR Example:

Here is the Doctrinal Statement of Faith for the "Grace to You" Christian Radio Program, which are sermons by Dr. John MacArthur Jr. Grace to You And here is Dr. John MacArthur's educational background: John MacArthur's Biography

Here is "In Touch" Ministry's website featuring Dr. Charles Stanley's Sermons and you will find the same kind of Doctrinal Statement of Faith: What We Believe

Here is the Doctrinal Statement of Faith from Indian Hills Community Church in Lincoln, Nebraska: Statement of Faith | Indian Hills

Here is the Doctrinal Statement for Talbot School of Theology: Talbot School of Theology � Doctrinal Statement

I think you get the picture.

AND just so you know, THE FRUIT Jesus talked about CERTAINLY is the spiritual fruits listed in Gal. 5:22-23 and the fruit of the flesh in Gal 5:19-21.

Galatians 5:19-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Look at verse 20, is not greed a form of idolatry?

And did you know that the word sorcery in the Greek is:

pharmakeia
Root: from phulak- pharmakeuô (to administer drugs);

Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells:--—NASB Greek-Hebrew Dictionary

Therefore drug abuse is sorcery. So you think no Bible teacher would do that? I actually ran across a false prophet that tore a dear friend of our's away from the Church. He was gathering people in his home, to do BIBLE STUDY. With a BIG TWIST, he would have them smoke pot while they studied. AND he then twisted the scriptures to convince them that JESUS was a sinner. My wife and I seriously tried to pull her back out of that cult, but failed. It felt like Theresa died.

SO YES, I agree that when you find a ministry that produces any of the bad fruit listed in verses 19-21, you certainly can label that one a false prophet. But fruit is not a one time sin, but a life-style of living it.


HERE is CHRIST talking about the Rapture:

John 14:2-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Read the Parable of 10 Virgins again, it too is all about the Rapture, or as many of us prefer to call it, the Calling OUT of the Bride.We are leaving earth to go to Him in the CLOUDS, and then OFF we go to the New Dwelling place He has prepared for us in heaven for the Wedding of the Church to the LAMB, Jesus Christ. "I go to prepare a place for you", word for word comes out of a Jewish wedding preposal from the time of Christ. It is what the Bridegroom always says immediately after the Bride accepts His proposal. HE would leave to build that New Dwelling Place, in or near His Father's house. HE WOULD NOT COME BACK to the old dwelling place of His Bride until the NIGHT of HIS Father's final inspection of the New Dwelling Place, and HIS FATHER said "It is finished, go get your Bride Son". Even when calling out the Bride, the Bridegroom NEVER set foot in the old dwelling place, but stopped short of the old dwelling place of the Bride and had a member of His wedding party SHOUT to call out the Bride. He as already Chosen the Archangel to SHOUT and call us OUT of our old dwelling place, earth. THE WEDDING always lasted 7 days back then, and that Week of Years that is the Great Tribulation, is also the 70th WEEK of Daniel, and the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven in the New City Jerusalem. We Leave for the Wedding, GOD finishes the Covenant with Israel, and pours out His Wrath on the Unbelievers. ONLY at the End of the weeklong wedding ceremony did Bridegroom return with His Bride, to the old dwelling place of the Bride, for the Wedding Feast.

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

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[video=youtube;A5t3oN6byBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A5t3oN6byBk#t=2[/video]

 

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His coming involves the “Dead in Christ” and the “Living in Christ”
Ø The speed of the event is like the “Twinkling of an eye”
Ø God will bring with Jesus, the “Dead in Christ” to the clouds
Ø Jesus will descend from Heaven with a shout
Ø The “Dead in Christ” rise first (Their bodies)
Ø The living in Christ follow being changed from mortal to eternal bodies
Ø The living and the dead “In Christ” meet Christ in the clouds
Ø They shall always be with the Lord

Yes you have just discribed the RAPTURE, almost totally:

NOW COMPARE THAT THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE SECOND COMING:

Rev 19:19 (NKJV)
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Rev 17:14 (NKJV)
14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."

At the Second Coming they have time from the moment they see HIM COMING to gather the Worlds armies in Valley of Armagedon.

Rev 16:16 (HCSB)
16 So they assembled them at the place called in Hebrew, Armagedon.

 

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Not exactly, because Satan's Dwelling Place is no longer Heaven; however Satan does get to appear before GOD periodically to accuse us of being as bad as he is. IF you are interested in a very detailed BIBLICAL exposition of Revelation verse by verse all the way through it; there is NONE better than the 37 sermon series by Dr. John MacArthur Jr., and they are FREE to listen to online. I used to own that series on cassette tapes, and I listened to them 5 times each. Just so you know Dr. MacArthur is a biblically sound Bible Teacher. Here is a link to their Doctrinal Statement of Faith: Grace to You


Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. is the senior Pastor of Grace Community Church, in Sun Valley, CA., a suburb of Los Angeles. He is also President of the Master's College and Seminary in Los Angeles. Here is his sermon series on the Book of Revelation, and the first sermon is an outline of the entire book, called "A Jet Tour Trough Revelation". Then he teaches verse by verse through the entire Book. Grace to You

He teaches in the Pre-Trib Rapture. This is a BIG NO-NO!!!
[h=5]The Rapture of the Church[/h] We teach the personal, bodily return of our Lord Jesus Christ before the seven year tribulation (1 Thessalonians 4:16; Titus 2:13) to translate His church from this earth (John 14:1 3; 1 Corinthians 15:51 53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:11) and, between this event and His glorious return with His saints, to reward believers according to their works (1 Corinthians 3:11 15; 2 Corinthians 5:10).



The Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is a heretic teaching and not scriptural. Therefore you have to take much of what he says about Revelation with a grain of salt because if you are looking at prophesy through the goggles of Satan's biggest lie, the Rapture, then it will skew many conclusions you make. I haven't watched the video yet but right away I can tell there will be problems with much of Dr. MacArthur's teachings.