-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
N
From the Bible, we can see He had it all planned out ; like Christ crucifixion and resurrection . Even when things would or might go bad because the people chose a bad path,, He even Had plans for that, like to save those that would believe on Christ. Some things in history happen for a reason, all that Isrealite History and the people that would be blessed through them through Christ. When we study the Bible and have a overall understanding of the plan of God, from His words; then you will find He had plans for this world and the people here.
Last edited:
I
i know He had / has plans for us / the world..
but when talking about tragedies and other worldly events, im asking, do you think He planned these events, or did He already know when He created, by knowing the nature of His creations and being the All-Knowing God that He is.
thus, when "this happens" do "this", etc.
like, was the script to the events pre-written, or did he just already know how the script would go.
am i clear in my question?
but when talking about tragedies and other worldly events, im asking, do you think He planned these events, or did He already know when He created, by knowing the nature of His creations and being the All-Knowing God that He is.
thus, when "this happens" do "this", etc.
like, was the script to the events pre-written, or did he just already know how the script would go.
am i clear in my question?
Last edited:
N
yeah, I think about it, it comes up often::
We are given His plans, and then there are the enemies plans, and then also, there are just stuff that happens all on its own, like tragedies either by accident, or through ignorance , no one plans those things,unless they are evil men ..Accidents, ( Just like the Tower of Siloam ) and certainly we should be careful as the scripture states , not to blame God for things He had nothing to do with, that are just part of the risk of living in a world that is without his protection in the sense that this is not the Eternity yet; we are in flesh bodies, and accidents just happen.
We are given His plans, and then there are the enemies plans, and then also, there are just stuff that happens all on its own, like tragedies either by accident, or through ignorance , no one plans those things,unless they are evil men ..Accidents, ( Just like the Tower of Siloam ) and certainly we should be careful as the scripture states , not to blame God for things He had nothing to do with, that are just part of the risk of living in a world that is without his protection in the sense that this is not the Eternity yet; we are in flesh bodies, and accidents just happen.
Last edited:
N
What, i have no clue what your talking about. What did I say, and what do you think I said that would be that ? Whatever is was, its not what makes up that sin at all .Its written plainly in the Bible; and its not that "one" scripture people quote over an over. Blaming God, or Christ, is not the unforgivable sin.
Last edited:
L
Blaming God for something is not unforgivable. Job blamed God for the tragedies that happened against him, and God blessed Job again after he repented. = forgiven.
"Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the only "unforgivable" sin. The definition of it is highly debated.
Some claim that it is: rejecting the call of the Spirit (rejecting salvation).
Others say that it is: rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit (not believing in miracles).
Many claim that it is: attributing a work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. A few in this camp go further to say that it can only be committed when denying a miracle of Jesus.
"Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the only "unforgivable" sin. The definition of it is highly debated.
Some claim that it is: rejecting the call of the Spirit (rejecting salvation).
Others say that it is: rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit (not believing in miracles).
Many claim that it is: attributing a work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. A few in this camp go further to say that it can only be committed when denying a miracle of Jesus.
Has anyone heard of the 7 root races? There will be 7 stages of evolution. Each stage will have 7 subraces and each of those will have 7 branch races. Hence the end race will be 7.7.7. fulfilling the curse of lamech. Just look at revelations and the fathers of the old testament. Their ages align perfectly with the great amount of years each race dominates. The 4th rootrace was destroyed half way through with the flood and lines up perfectly with Noah who ushers in the 5th rootrace. Today we are at 5.5 transitioning to 5.6 ....5.1 being fathered by Noah 5.2 being fathered by Enoch 5.3 being fathered by Menes 5.4 Abraham 5.5 Jacob 5.6 Joseph. Revelations talks of them...
Churches1:4; 2:1-3:22Letters2:1- 3:22Spirits1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6Golden lampstands1:12, 20; 2:1; 4:5Stars1:16, 20; 2:1; 3:1Seals5:1; 5:5; 6:1Horns5:6Eyes5:6Angels8:2, 6; 15:1, 6, 7; 15:8; 16:1; 17:1; 21:9Trumpets8:2, 6Thunders10:3, 4Thousand people11:13Heads12:3; 13:1; 17:3, 7, 9Crowns12:3Plagues15:1, 6, 8; 21:9Golden bowls15:7; 16:1; 17:1; 21:9Hills17:9Kings17:10, 11Last 7 visionsChapters 20-21
Really revelations 4
Churches1:4; 2:1-3:22Letters2:1- 3:22Spirits1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6Golden lampstands1:12, 20; 2:1; 4:5Stars1:16, 20; 2:1; 3:1Seals5:1; 5:5; 6:1Horns5:6Eyes5:6Angels8:2, 6; 15:1, 6, 7; 15:8; 16:1; 17:1; 21:9Trumpets8:2, 6Thunders10:3, 4Thousand people11:13Heads12:3; 13:1; 17:3, 7, 9Crowns12:3Plagues15:1, 6, 8; 21:9Golden bowls15:7; 16:1; 17:1; 21:9Hills17:9Kings17:10, 11Last 7 visionsChapters 20-21
Really revelations 4
L
I am trying to follow your logic, but I can't make anything out of it. I just read through Rev. chapter 4 along with each of the verses mentioned. Do you have a link to someone who can explain this concept more fully?
I must admit that I have never heard of what you are saying about "7 root races", and from what I've studied in the Bible it doesn't seem to line up.
The root races that the Bible speaks of are the genealogies of the sons of Noah. You must realize that none of the sons of Lamech survived the flood according to the Scriptures. All of the races on earth are through Noah's sons.
The Bible focuses on the story of the sons of Shem and Ham.
I must admit that I have never heard of what you are saying about "7 root races", and from what I've studied in the Bible it doesn't seem to line up.
The root races that the Bible speaks of are the genealogies of the sons of Noah. You must realize that none of the sons of Lamech survived the flood according to the Scriptures. All of the races on earth are through Noah's sons.
The Bible focuses on the story of the sons of Shem and Ham.
I'm not 100% on any of this. Just discussing. Lamech was a descendant of cain who's death is never really understood I was also referring to 77 years lamech and lamech is the first father of the rootraces that accepted the spirit. The first 2.5 were discarded by fire because they were too primative. 7.7 would be completion of God's plan of all perfection of the human spirit.
L
not a problem. ty for being upfront about it. I enjoy discussing things like this because it gets me reading the Bible more intently.
why do you say that Cain's death is not understood?
there are 2 Lamechs mentioned. One is wicked (chapter 4) and one who was righteous (chapter 5).
Which one are you speaking of?
You totally lost me here. Can you give a verse?
There's a lot going on in this interpretive theory. Do you have any source for this info that I can research, or is this all done by you?
why do you say that Cain's death is not understood?
there are 2 Lamechs mentioned. One is wicked (chapter 4) and one who was righteous (chapter 5).
Which one are you speaking of?
You totally lost me here. Can you give a verse?
There's a lot going on in this interpretive theory. Do you have any source for this info that I can research, or is this all done by you?
in Isaiah 46;10-11 i think is a good answer to what you are asking in these verses it is explained that he declared them "the end from the beginning" so he for knew all that would take place in all history and "declared it to us from the beginning to the end" and from ancient times "the things not yet done",so displaying that he already knew what would be done in the history of all creation.
in verse 11 he states that "i will also bring it to pass" so he also is stating he would do something because of what he knew would take place,,in verse 12 and 13 he tells us he "would bring near his righteousness" so it is evident from these statements that he knew from the beginning the end(what we would do) and that he provided grace,Christ redemption to us because he foreknew we would not obtain it without his intervention.
so it would seem "both",,,he knew every thing that would take place,and he "wrote,or took action in reaction to what we would need help with",,,i think it beautiful that he made these statements as our father in heaven he is both telling us he knows what we will do and that he loves us as his children and that we would not be without his help,that he would do this work of redeeming us back into his arms,,,
Gen 9:24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
Genesis 22:17I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies,
Jeremiah 1:5“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Genesis 2:7Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 7:22Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
Psalm 26:9Do not take away my soul along with sinners, my life with those who are bloodthirsty,
Revelation 2:4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first.
Genesis 28:12He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
Matthew 28:2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
John 1:14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 3:13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
John 6:42They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
Genesis 22:17I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies,
Jeremiah 1:5“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Genesis 2:7Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 7:22Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
Psalm 26:9Do not take away my soul along with sinners, my life with those who are bloodthirsty,
Revelation 2:4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first.
Genesis 28:12He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
Matthew 28:2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
John 1:14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 3:13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
John 6:42They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
to be a true prophet you cannot predict events etc. then change things to suit your prophecy, if nostradumass could have changed history so that his predictions would come true...is he a prophet or ?
God is the ultimate prophet but he saw the future,not by making statements saying the devil will do such and such then forcing satan to do such and such when the time comes.
God is the ultimate prophet but he saw the future,not by making statements saying the devil will do such and such then forcing satan to do such and such when the time comes.
Last edited:
L
1. The problem with this argument is that: God never claims to be a prophet. He claimed to be sovereign.
2. Also, a prophet doesn't see the future. They only see what God shows to them.
3. Prophecy isn't given so people will know the future, but given so people will know that God is in control once the prophecy is fulfilled.
2. Also, a prophet doesn't see the future. They only see what God shows to them.
3. Prophecy isn't given so people will know the future, but given so people will know that God is in control once the prophecy is fulfilled.