Curses of Genesis 3

[Huckleberry]

God declared the serpent cursed above all cattle and every beast (fowls not mentioned).
Does this mean that all cattle and beasts were cursed, but reptiles were cursed more.
Or just that particular sort of reptile?
We know from Revelation 12:9 that the serpent which deceived Eve was a dragon (i.e., lizard).
Were they able to fly as dragon legend the world over alleges?
Was the serpent's curse the loss of that ability?
Also, in the New Earth, the serpent is apparently still under his curse. Isaiah 65:25.

Also the ground is cursed.
I have a hypothesis that this was the beginning of viruses.
They started out in the ground and eventually have infected most, if not all, organisms.
Viruses are truly the scourge of the Earth.
Could viruses be demons loosed from hell?
There are no beneficial viruses, unlike bacteria.
Even bacteria are susceptible to viral infections.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

I can see where your going with this. And it looks the viruses are here to stay.. And they are getting worse. As soon as we get on top of one, an even worse one takes its place.

 

[DorothyG]

This post just made me think of the Inheritance series! (Eragon, Eldest, Brisingr, Inheritance)

In this series, the Dragon was the most intelligent creature. They retained knowledge faster than any creature, lived longer than any creature, had more strength than any creature, never stopped growing, could communicate telepathically with other creatures, all sorts of awesome things!

Of course one won't have the answers to this serpent thing until after Christ's return. Then the serpent, along witht he rest of creation, will be restored to it former state, before the fall. (Oh man oh man, I sure HOPE there were dragons! you'll never see me without one!)

 

[Huckleberry]

This post just made me think of the Inheritance series! (Eragon, Eldest, Brisingr, Inheritance)

In this series, the Dragon was the most intelligent creature. They retained knowledge faster than any creature, lived longer than any creature, had more strength than any creature, never stopped growing, could communicate telepathically with other creatures, all sorts of awesome things!

Of course one won't have the answers to this serpent thing until after Christ's return. Then the serpent, along witht he rest of creation, will be restored to it former state, before the fall. (Oh man oh man, I sure HOPE there were dragons! you'll never see me without one!)

I haven't read the books you listed, but half my household has.
I was not aware of the attributes of the dragons in that series,
but I'll go out on a limb and guess that the author is either Christian, or well versed in Scripture.

Think about this:
The serpent (dragon) in Genesis 3 communicated with Eve.
Either there was audible verbal communication, or a telepathic conversation.
It also had knowledge that Adam and Eve didn't have and it wanted to share.
Also, reptiles never stop growing their entire lives. Scientific fact.
There are and were dragons.
Certainly you've seen Bearded Dragons at the pet store?
What would he look like if he lived and grew for 1000 years?
Bet he'd be pretty strong.

 

[DorothyG]

I haven't read the books you listed, but half my household has.
I was not aware of the attributes of the dragons in that series,
but I'll go out on a limb and guess that the author is either Christian, or well versed in Scripture.

Think about this:
The serpent (dragon) in Genesis 3 communicated with Eve.
Either there was audible verbal communication, or a telepathic conversation.
It also had knowledge that Adam and Eve didn't have and it wanted to share.
Also, reptiles never stop growing their entire lives. Scientific fact.
There are and were dragons.
Certainly you've seen Bearded Dragons at the pet store?
What would he look like if he lived and grew for 1000 years?
Bet he'd be pretty strong.

Well before I dedicated my life to Christ I spent a lot of time reading these books. The author himself, when asked if he was a christian, said he'd rather not answer that question.

I'd say from the contents of the books, I don't think so.

But his imagination may not be too far from the serpent before God cursed him. (Imagine if we had dragons flying around in this cursed world! D: )

 

[SpiritofFire]

Look at all of the things we have now of the fruit of the field. Look at all of our technological and agricultural advances over the years throughout history. But because of the serpent (carnal mind) which is cursed (because through that earthly wisdom of acquiring merchandise based in appearances and respect of persons for advantage) it all comes with heartaches.

Because in spite of what we've achieved (again all can live very good lives) we are on the verge of world war 3, simply because as eve was beguiled by the serpent, our minds have also been corrupted by the simplicity of Love.

Again we are going to war in order to hold on to a dead system of profit and control over men.

 

[Huckleberry]

Because in spite of what we've achieved (again all can live very good lives) we are on the verge of world war 3, simply because as eve was beguiled by the serpent, our minds have also been corrupted by the simplicity of Love.

I'm not addressing your diatribe. I've come to expect it from you.

I would, however, like to point you to something posted
a while back, and I found it to be very enlightening:

Genesis 2:15Then the Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to cultivate it and guard it

Adam sined first had he done as he was told and guarded the Garden Eve never who have been able to talk to the serpent.

 

[SpiritofFire]

I'm not addressing your diatribe. I've come to expect it from you.

I would, however, like to point you to something posted
a while back, and I found it to be very enlightening:

Again believe what you want. I keep it simple. I find it amazing that I say that you can finally rest from these burdens and you push it away. It's not the money people want only being a means. It is what it buys that people want..

 

[reject-tech]

I think of the viruses more along the lines of plagues, possibly pestilence more specifically.

In the expulsion dialogue, it appears to me that while God says "I will this" and "I will that", He doesn't actually say "I curse"
It appears to me that in certain parts of the dialogue He might simply be pointing out a resultant state of "eye for eye" and "what goes up must come down"
Though, it's certainly arguable that since He set up that system of automated retribution, that He effectually did "curse" some things.

Plagues and pestilence though, appear to be supplemental acts of God in scripture, in addition to eye for eye, possibly a wake up call to evoke repentance lest eye for eye come around.

I wonder sometimes if the earth bringing forth thorns and thistles is a description of perspective rather than action.
In other words, were the thorns and thistles already there, just not painful for Adam to walk on or able to penetrate his skin and draw blood, until he fell from a superhuman state? For example, did his new-found "knowledge" teach him that eating a piece of fruit with a worm in it was somehow undesirable as opposed to a "properly cultivated pest-less" piece of fruit, where before, the worm might have been considered a surprise treat.

If you've ever eaten a fig, you've eaten the wasp larvae inside it too. And if the fig tasted good before knowing that, but seems objectionable after knowing it, it kinda seems to me like a microcosm of being driven from the garden. A curse of perspective based on an errant teaching that "eating larva is dirty" or "tastes bad"
*slurp*
Grasshoppers taste like popcorn with the crunchy kernel husks and wet cardboard aftertaste. Yet I can't help but make sure and wait for the black juice drop to come out of it's mouth before I wipe it off and pop it into mine lol. Maybe a bit of anti-garden there that I put on myself. Not as good as larva laden figs lol.

Viruses on the other hand, I'll pass on those whenever possible. They seem to me to fit a definition worse than a curse.

 

[Huckleberry]

In the expulsion dialogue, it appears to me that while God says "I will this" and "I will that", He doesn't actually say "I curse"
It appears to me that in certain parts of the dialogue He might simply be pointing out a resultant state of "eye for eye" and "what goes up must come down"
Though, it's certainly arguable that since He set up that system of automated retribution, that He effectually did "curse" some things.

Agreed, that's why I used the phrase "God declared the serpent cursed", rather than "God cursed the serpent". I synonymize the words bless and curse with comfort and discomfort, respectively. Doesn't mean I'm right, just helps me wrap my mind around the concepts.

I wonder sometimes if the earth bringing forth thorns and thistles is a description of perspective rather than action. In other words, were the thorns and thistles already there, just not painful for Adam to walk on or able to penetrate his skin and draw blood, until he fell from a superhuman state?

My take on this is that once the ground was cursed, viruses started causing DNA mutilation (mutations, see what I did there?) in organisms. From thorns and thistles developing on vegetation, to the "devolving" of man and beast in the form of infection and disease.

If you've ever eaten a fig, you've eaten the wasp larvae inside it too.

Well, ignorance was bliss. Thanks for that.

Grasshoppers taste like popcorn with the crunchy kernel husks and wet cardboard aftertaste. Yet I can't help but make sure and wait for the black juice drop to come out of it's mouth before I wipe it off and pop it into mine lol.

I have no intention of ever relating to this.
Please, God!

Viruses on the other hand, I'll pass on those whenever possible. They seem to me to fit a definition worse than a curse.

Exactly my point. They are literally the scourge of the Earth.