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I'm sorry watchmen i feel like i have lost my respect for you.
I have not shown anything heretical like that Jesus is not God or that He did not die on the cross or like the mormons who say that they will become gods.
The only thing different between me and you is how we view man's responsibility in his salvation. so are you saying that i am going to hell for being a calvinist. please pull that verse out for me
@greatkrw Calvin did come up with tulip. from the scriptures. @maddog i feel that there is no need to divide the body of Christ. can two arms that bicker be any good?
I have not shown anything heretical like that Jesus is not God or that He did not die on the cross or like the mormons who say that they will become gods.
The only thing different between me and you is how we view man's responsibility in his salvation. so are you saying that i am going to hell for being a calvinist. please pull that verse out for me
@greatkrw Calvin did come up with tulip. from the scriptures. @maddog i feel that there is no need to divide the body of Christ. can two arms that bicker be any good?
Thats ok they al do sooner or later, but I will keep telling the truth whether that truth is holy living, the post trib rapture, or that calvinism is not only false but anti scriptural. I will not shrink down and let fallacy win because someone might loose respect for me. The truth has and always will be hated.
#1 Presestination is only one point of calvinism all 5 point are false, so the responsibility of man in salvation is not the only thing I believe differently than calvinist.
#2 No I do not think you are going to Hell for being a calvinist. I believe you truly love God, and are doing your best to serve him
I believe you are young but very knowledgeable in scripture and doctrine. I also believe if you will study out the New Testament listen to others like myself with an open mind, you will come to realize one day that calvinism is false, and certain nothing to be stood up for.
God bless you Phoenix, I hold no hard feeling toward you nor blame you for your beliefs. However I do not think that Calvinism is a trivial matter that should be ignored but a strike against the truth that disparages the character of God, and needs to be exposed for what it is.
#2 No I do not think you are going to Hell for being a calvinist. I believe you truly love God, and are doing your best to serve him
I believe you are young but very knowledgeable in scripture and doctrine. I also believe if you will study out the New Testament listen to others like myself with an open mind, you will come to realize one day that calvinism is false, and certain nothing to be stood up for.
God bless you Phoenix, I hold no hard feeling toward you nor blame you for your beliefs. However I do not think that Calvinism is a trivial matter that should be ignored but a strike against the truth that disparages the character of God, and needs to be exposed for what it is.
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My brother. We agree on many things. This is the one thing we disagree on. Doctorine. My church is reformed and so is most of my family. God bless you too brother. But I am not defending Calvinism I am defending scripture. Sola scriptura. You may not agree with me and I am completely fine with that. I am sorry though that I said that I lost my respect for you. That was more out of anger. And I apolagize for that. May God keep you grounded in His word watchmen
So am I wrong that calvinism came before armenism or that the accept Christ in your heart thing started about 40 years ago?
So you also don't believe in total depravity?
No limited atonement? I didn't know you were a univeralist.
The reason I believe we don't have a choice is because that was one of the first things I noticed when I started reading the bible.
Come on people, you can't choose to love God. Do you know why? Because you love sin. Jesus made it clear that you can't love both. He also said that if the SON makes you free, you will be free indeed. Also you have a harden heart. a heart of stone. Can we decide to make our heart flesh? Umm no.
If you believe that the verse says God desires the whole world to come to repentance then you would have to believe in universalism because the scriptures also say that God does all that He pleases.
The only thing a man can do is decide that life sucks and maybe God can fix his life. I don't know if you can even credit that to the man and not actually him being lead by the Holy Spirit to seek God. Because the scriptures also say that none seek God, all have went astray, each to their own way.
I wonder how many people believe that they should do what they hate to do so God doesn't throw them in hell.
So you also don't believe in total depravity?
No limited atonement? I didn't know you were a univeralist.
The reason I believe we don't have a choice is because that was one of the first things I noticed when I started reading the bible.
Come on people, you can't choose to love God. Do you know why? Because you love sin. Jesus made it clear that you can't love both. He also said that if the SON makes you free, you will be free indeed. Also you have a harden heart. a heart of stone. Can we decide to make our heart flesh? Umm no.
If you believe that the verse says God desires the whole world to come to repentance then you would have to believe in universalism because the scriptures also say that God does all that He pleases.
The only thing a man can do is decide that life sucks and maybe God can fix his life. I don't know if you can even credit that to the man and not actually him being lead by the Holy Spirit to seek God. Because the scriptures also say that none seek God, all have went astray, each to their own way.
I wonder how many people believe that they should do what they hate to do so God doesn't throw them in hell.
God does desire all to come to repentance that's why scripture says:
1Ti 2:4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to know the truth.
And this is written in the context of praying for rulers and governing authorities.
The language used in scripture is always general, not specific. It says Christ died for the world, not Christ died for the elect. Calvinism/predestination is a subtle twist on scripture but it is 100% wrong. The word for elect has no special meaning, other than those who have accepted Christ.
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for thesinsof the whole world.
And predestination is always in context of God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ, again, the meaning is general, it does not refer to specific choice of individuals for salvation, except in cases with those whom God has called to serve Him in the ministry like Paul.
1Ti 2:4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to know the truth.
And this is written in the context of praying for rulers and governing authorities.
The language used in scripture is always general, not specific. It says Christ died for the world, not Christ died for the elect. Calvinism/predestination is a subtle twist on scripture but it is 100% wrong. The word for elect has no special meaning, other than those who have accepted Christ.
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for thesinsof the whole world.
And predestination is always in context of God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ, again, the meaning is general, it does not refer to specific choice of individuals for salvation, except in cases with those whom God has called to serve Him in the ministry like Paul.
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Yeah! We are this because our fathers were!...
You may learn God doesn't go with the majority of people. The amount of people in a group doesn't determine if it is true or not.
I can give you many modern day examples like the Roman Catholic Church or we can go back to the days of Noah and God found ONE FAMILY righteous in His eyes and destroyed the rest of the world.
Population doesn't equal truth.
You may learn God doesn't go with the majority of people. The amount of people in a group doesn't determine if it is true or not.
I can give you many modern day examples like the Roman Catholic Church or we can go back to the days of Noah and God found ONE FAMILY righteous in His eyes and destroyed the rest of the world.
Population doesn't equal truth.
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