Romans 8 verses Hebrews 6

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Tiro

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I'm having a hard time with these 2 parts of the Bible. Romans 8 tells me that NOTHING can seperate me from the love of God. But Hebrews 6 Says You can be seperated from Gods love and it is impossible to get it back.

So which is it?
 

john832

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Nothing external. No Spirit, no other human can separate us from God but, we can choose to separate ourselves from God.
 
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Tiro

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So there are 2 unforgivable sins? Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and Leaving the Church?
 

john832

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So there are 2 unforgivable sins? Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and Leaving the Church?
Not what I said. Turning your back on God and wilfully sinning is blaspheming the Holy Spirit...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 

vic1980

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Romans 9

God's Sovereign Choice

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

God bless
 
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Tiro

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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved. I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
 

vic1980

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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved. I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Hebrews 2:18 pick up your bible and read it :)

Go read it my friend Tiro repent and and turn from buddhism and seek the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart mind body and soul. He will forgive you of your sin your error but don't turn back , pick up your cross and follow messiah :)

God bless
 

vic1980

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Nothing external. No Spirit, no other human can separate us from God but, we can choose to separate ourselves from God.
This is true as King Saul did when he decided to honor men instead of God Almighty

God bless
 
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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved. I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
Depends on whether you repent.
 
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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved. I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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Tiro

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But Hebrews 6 Says it is IMPOSSIBLE to be restored unto repentence.
 
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But Hebrews 6 Says it is IMPOSSIBLE to be restored unto repentence.
Look at it this way: if you can repent now, you prove that you were never a Christian before. If you don't you prove Heb 6. The choice is yours.
 

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It's impossible if you don't repent. It's up to you. Repent means to TURN AWAY from your sin, admit that you were sinning against God and STOP. If you're not willing to do that, then yes, it's impossible, because blaspheming Holy Spirit is feeling Him calling you to repentance and refusing to repent, so the only reason it's unforgivable is because forgiveness isn't sought.

On a side note, it feels a little trollish in here...but it could just be me. I think I've become jaded of late.
 
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The only reason it's unforgivable is because forgiveness isn't sought.
Non-sequitur. Rather the consequence of sin being unforgivable is that forgiveness isn't sought. Like the sin of Judas.

However I strongly suspect that anyone who chooses Buddhism over Christianity almost certainly was never a Christian to begin with, as Buddhism is far more fantastical than Christianity. I mean, all those stone statues. How absurd can you get?
 
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I'm having a hard time with these 2 parts of the Bible. Romans 8 tells me that NOTHING can seperate me from the love of God. But Hebrews 6 Says You can be seperated from Gods love and it is impossible to get it back.

So which is it?
Roman 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so.

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

Matthew 22:21

“Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

1 Peter 2:25
For “you were like sheep going astray,” but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.




 
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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved.
No. . .

Heb 6:4-6 states that if one remains in rejection of Christ through their return to Judaism, there is no sacrifice for their sin, nor can they repent of their rejection as long as they are in Judaism, and they will die in their sin and be condemned at the final judgment.

The same applies for Buddhism.

Just as those Hebrews must leave Judaism in order to repent,
so you must leave Buddhism in order to repent.

I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
Yes, there is hope. . .you have the same hope as every other unbeliever in Jesus Christ does.

All you have to do is turn from (repent of) Buddhism to obedient faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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MidniteWelder

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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved. I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
Here's the way I've always looked at it
Even if I found out I was going to hell.....
I will still faithfully serve Jesus Christ

Because its not so much about going to heaven or hell (even though we desire heaven)
It's about doing what's right before the Lord with proper motives in our heart
...regardless of anything else
 

posthuman

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read on:

Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things—things that belong to salvation. For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do.
And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end, so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
(Hebrews 6:9-12)

We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
(Hebrews 6:19-20)
 
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timberdoodle

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So.. I'm screwed. I can never be saved. I was once a Fanatical Christian and I then left for Buddhism.
Is there any hope for me?
If that is the case then you were most likely not saved.

Timberdoodle
 

Cherry4Christ

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Nothing external. No Spirit, no other human can separate us from God but, we can choose to separate ourselves from God.
Simply put. See most think they can continue to distance themselves from God and expect nothing to happen. God will pamper you to hell. He has fulfilled all his promises to you, has taken care of you, and love you unconditionally and you distance yourself from Him? Let that be a human you'd be cuff out pronto lol. Like John stated no other thing can separate us from God but ourselves. Why would a believer want to do that ? Crazy I guess! God bless you all :)