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why isn't the Zodiac to be "confused" with astrology? it is astrology.
“The heavens [depicted on Egyptian astrological star charts] are scribbled over with interminable snakes.” - Astronomer Sir William Herschel (1738-1822)
The “Gospel in the Stars” Theory - Hank Hanegraaff
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“These ancient star-pictures reveal this Coming One. They set forth 'the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow'.” - E.W. Bullinger
the zodiac not only presents the way of salvation according to D. James Kennedy
Faith Under Fire - David C. Cooper - Google Books
“I know it will surprise you, but the sphinx actually unlocks the mystery of the zodiac.” - D. James Kennedy
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E Raymond Capt.
The establishment of the early Christian church in England, particularly centering in the fascinating history and legends of Glastonbury.
An interesting section addresses the so-called "missing years of Christ" between the ages of twelve and thirty.
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Some pyramidologists claim that the Great Pyramid of Giza has encoded within it predictions for the exodus of Moses from Egypt,[2] the crucifixion of Jesus,[2] the start of World War I,[3][4] the founding of modern-day Israel in 1948, and future events including the beginning of Armageddon; discovered by using what they call "pyramid inches" to calculate the passage of time (one British inch = one solar year).
Pyramidology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Glastonbury
Here the ever-living Mystery is given historical context. Its themes and characters – King Arthur, St Joseph of Arimathea, the Grail Quest, the Zodiacal Twelve, the Enchantments of Britain, the Ritual of the Chalice, and the Prophecy of Restoration - are traced from their beginnings, against the background of religious and social changes from prehistoric to modern times.
This is not merely an erudite study, for Glastonbury has a personal effect on inquirers and all who approach the subject, however dispassionately, enter upon a path of initiation which points to the inner sanctum of the mystery. As veils are removed, the traditions of Glastonbury are seen in a new light, as symbols of an ancient magical rite for the invocation of paradise on earth.
New Light on the Ancient Mystery of Glastonbury, a book by John Michell
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A Life With God And The Pyramid
The Life of J. Bernard Nicklin
The life of J. Bernard Nicklin as told in pictures and articles on biblical topics which he wrote over a long lifetime, to which is added tributes from a wide variety of British-Israel leaders.
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E Raymond Capt.
The establishment of the early Christian church in England, particularly centering in the fascinating history and legends of Glastonbury.
An interesting section addresses the so-called "missing years of Christ" between the ages of twelve and thirty.
The establishment of the early Christian church in England, particularly centering in the fascinating history and legends of Glastonbury.
An interesting section addresses the so-called "missing years of Christ" between the ages of twelve and thirty.
Glastonbury Order of Druids............Origins.
The Glastonbury Order of Druids has its roots in remote antiquity. The current order was first conceived in the late 60's and early 70's and finally established in 1988. The Founder Heads of the Order, Rollo Maughfling and Jacqueline Paterson re-established, after 1500 years, public performances of the basic elements of Pagan Pre-Christian nature based ritual in both it's Lunar and Solar phases, both at Glastonbury and Stonehenge.
Tentative datings for the giant series of earthworks south of the Tor known as the Glastonbury Zodiac are based on the equinoctial sunrise line of 2700 BC, shortly prior to the proto-druidic foundations of Stonehenge circa 2500 BC. Archaeological dating has similarly placed the maze or labyrinth round the Tor at circa 1500 BC. Early references record the activity of the legendary Druid Abaris in the region circa 500 BC, thought by some to be the instructor of Pythagoras. It seems that roughly every five hundred years the order is at a high peak of activity.
The coming of Joseph of Aramathia and the boy Jesus to Glastonbury at the dawn of the christian era is regarded as fact locally, along with the memory that the Druid Order of the day gave Joseph twelve Hides of land on which to build the first Christian Church in the world after the crucifiction, long before Romanised Christianity !
5oo years later again, at a time when the original message of the Celtic Druid Christian infusion was being lost, Arthur and the Archdruid Merlin strove to preserve the ancient wisdom against the coming of the Dark Ages. 500 years later again, the Celtic scholar Dunstan, often referred to as the Christian Merlin, unified the Kingdom, wrote the coronation service still in use to this day and re-established much of the old Druidic lore in Christian guise. 500 years later Dr. John Dee, Queen Elizabeth 1st's astrologer, and fellow confidant, Edward Kelly, rediscovered the outines of the Glastonbury Zodiac, claimed to have obtained the philosopher's stone, and substantiated the claim of Elizabeth I to be Defender of the Faith in Britain on the grounds that Glastonbury recieved the Christian message over a hundred years before Rome !
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Werner von Bülow's World-Rune-Clock, illustrating the correspondences between List's Armanen runes, the signs of the zodiac and the gods of the months
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Armanism and Ariosophy are the names of ideological systems of an esoteric nature, pioneered by Guido von List and Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels respectively, in Austria between 1890 and 1930. The term 'Ariosophy', meaning wisdom concerning the Aryans, was first coined by Lanz von Liebenfels in 1915 and became the label for his doctrine in the 1920s. In historic research on the topic, such as Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke's book The Occult Roots of Nazism, the term 'Ariosophy' is used generically to describe the Aryan-esoteric theories of a subset of the 'Völkische Bewegung'.[1] This broader use of the word is retrospective and was not generally current among the esotericists themselves." List actually called his doctrine 'Armanism', while Lanz used the terms 'Theozoology' and 'Ario-Christianity' before the First World War.
Theozoology
In 1903–4, a Viennese ex-Cistercian monk, Bible scholar and inventor named Jörg Lanz-Liebenfels (subsequently, Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels) published a lengthy article under the Latin title 'Anthropozoon Biblicum' ("The Biblical Man-Animal") in a journal for Biblical studies edited by Moritz Altschüler, a Jewish admirer of Guido von List. The author undertook a comparative survey of ancient Near Eastern cultures, in which he detected evidence from iconography and literature which seemed to point to the continued survival, into early historical times, of hominid ape-men similar to the dwarfish Neanderthal men known from fossil remains in Europe, or the Pithecanthropus (now called Homo erectus) from Java[33] Furthermore, Lanz systematically analysed the Old Testament in the light of his hypothesis, identifying and interpreting coded references to the ape-men which substantiated an illicit practice of interbreeding between humans and "lower" species in antiquity.
Ariosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ariosophy
Ariosophy, occult wisdom concerning Aryans, was coined by Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels (1874-1954) in 1915. This occultism took root in central Europe at the start of the 20th century. It mainly sprung from Theosophical movement, but rejected the Theosophy's commitment to human brotherhood in favor of a system of belief claiming that only people of northern Indo-European, "Aryan," descent were actually human and capable of spiritual development. Ariosophy stemmed from the ideologies shared by most Western countries in the 19th century, but was chiefly formed in the writings of Guido von List (1848-1919) and Liebenfels, two Austrian occultists who contributed important.
As with most occult movements, Ariosophy was not a coherent system as there were various versions of its basic set of beliefs. Apparently there was a general consensus that modern humanity was descendents from two different species: Aryans, who were the true human beings, and non-Aryans, who were soulless animals who happened to look like humans. Modern Europeans were descendents of interbreeding between the species, while people of other races were simply animals lacking human, Aryan, blood. The interbreeding with other races was said to be the cause for the Aryan race to lose some supernatural powers that were originally its birthright which the study of occultism sought to restore.
Ariosophy greatly influenced the spread of the mysticism of Nazism. Much of the Nazi program during the 1920s and 1930s was simply a restatement of Ariosophical ideas. It is known that Adolf Hitler subscribed to an Ariosophical magazine when living in Vienna, and many of the higher officials of the Third Reich had Ariosophical connections. Although it appears that Ariosophy was influential on the formation of Nazism, many scholars were quick to point out they did not think it should be held responsible for terrible incidents such as Auschwitz.
Similar ideas, although from different historical roots, were embodied in the Christian Identity movement, an occult-influence religious and political movement, which emerged in America during the mid-twentieth century. A.G.H.
Sources:
Greer, John Michael. The New Encyclopedia of the Occult. St. Paul, MN, Llewellyn Worldwide. pp. 32-33.
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British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The doctrine often includes the tenet that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David.
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern genetic, linguistic, archaeological and philological research. The doctrine continues, however, to have a significant number of adherents.
The movement has never had a head organisation or a centralized structure. Various British Israelite organisations were set up across the British Empire and in America from the 1870s; a small number of such organisations are still active today.
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J. H. Allen (1847-1930), wrote Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright which was the basis of Herbert W. Armstrong's teachings on this same subject.
Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986), United States founder of the Radio Church of God.
William Comyns Beaumont (1873–1956) British journalist, author, and lecturer.
Richard Brothers (1757–1824), early believer and teacher/promoter of this theory.
Alan Campbell (b. 1941), Pentecostal pastor from Northern Ireland.
Mary Baker Eddy (1821–1910) founder of the Christian Science religion.[17]
Richard Reader Harris (KC) (1847–1909), founder of the Pentecostal Movement in London.
Nelson McCausland (b. 1951), Democratic Unionist politician[52]
William Massey, Prime Minister of New Zealand (1912–1925).
Charles Fox Parham (1873–1929), American preacher who was instrumental in the formation of Pentecostalism.
William H. Poole (d.1896), Methodist minister, known for his book Anglo-Israel or the Saxon Race?: Proved to be the Lost Tribes of Israel (1889).
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900), the pyramidologist and Astronomer Royal for Scotland.
C. A. L. Totten (1851-1908), Professor of Military Tactics at Yale University, he wrote countless articles and books advocating British. Israelism, including a 26-volume series entitled Our Race.
John Wilson (1799–1870), collected his lectures in a book, Our Israelitish Origin (1840).
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In Britain, the theology of British Israelism has been taught by a few small Pentecostal churches including the Bible-Pattern Church Fellowship, an early offshoot of the Elim Pentecostal Church. The latter church does not hold to the British-Israel doctrine.
In London the Orange Street Congregational Church[23] teaches a form of British Israelism, and the Ensign Trust publishes The Ensign Message in its furtherance. In Australia the Christian Revival Crusade, founded by Leo Harris, once taught this theology but abandoned it. The Revival Centres International, a prominent group that separated from the Crusade, and other splinter groups, continue to teach the doctrine. The "Churches of God" in Ireland are also known for their teaching on this subject.
A variant of British Israelism formed the basis for a racialized theology and became known as Christian Identity, which has at its core the belief that non-Caucasian people have no souls and therefore cannot be saved.[24]
Brit-Am is an organization (founded ca.1993) based in Israel, which also identifies the Lost Ten Tribes with the British and related peoples. Brit-Am uses biblical and rabbinical exegesis to justify its beliefs, supplemented by secular studies.
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The archeologist and British Israelite, E. Raymond Capt, claimed that there were similarities between King Jehu's pointed headdress and that of the captive Saka king seen to the far right on the Behistun Inscription.[27] He also posited that the Assyrian word for the House of Israel, Khumri, after Israel's King Omri of the 8th century B.C., is phonetically similar to Gimirri.[27] (Cimmerian)
British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern genetic, linguistic, archaeological and philological research. The doctrine continues, however, to have a significant number of adherents.
The movement has never had a head organisation or a centralized structure. Various British Israelite organisations were set up across the British Empire and in America from the 1870s; a small number of such organisations are still active today.
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J. H. Allen (1847-1930), wrote Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright which was the basis of Herbert W. Armstrong's teachings on this same subject.
Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986), United States founder of the Radio Church of God.
William Comyns Beaumont (1873–1956) British journalist, author, and lecturer.
Richard Brothers (1757–1824), early believer and teacher/promoter of this theory.
Alan Campbell (b. 1941), Pentecostal pastor from Northern Ireland.
Mary Baker Eddy (1821–1910) founder of the Christian Science religion.[17]
Richard Reader Harris (KC) (1847–1909), founder of the Pentecostal Movement in London.
Nelson McCausland (b. 1951), Democratic Unionist politician[52]
William Massey, Prime Minister of New Zealand (1912–1925).
Charles Fox Parham (1873–1929), American preacher who was instrumental in the formation of Pentecostalism.
William H. Poole (d.1896), Methodist minister, known for his book Anglo-Israel or the Saxon Race?: Proved to be the Lost Tribes of Israel (1889).
Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900), the pyramidologist and Astronomer Royal for Scotland.
C. A. L. Totten (1851-1908), Professor of Military Tactics at Yale University, he wrote countless articles and books advocating British. Israelism, including a 26-volume series entitled Our Race.
John Wilson (1799–1870), collected his lectures in a book, Our Israelitish Origin (1840).
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In Britain, the theology of British Israelism has been taught by a few small Pentecostal churches including the Bible-Pattern Church Fellowship, an early offshoot of the Elim Pentecostal Church. The latter church does not hold to the British-Israel doctrine.
In London the Orange Street Congregational Church[23] teaches a form of British Israelism, and the Ensign Trust publishes The Ensign Message in its furtherance. In Australia the Christian Revival Crusade, founded by Leo Harris, once taught this theology but abandoned it. The Revival Centres International, a prominent group that separated from the Crusade, and other splinter groups, continue to teach the doctrine. The "Churches of God" in Ireland are also known for their teaching on this subject.
A variant of British Israelism formed the basis for a racialized theology and became known as Christian Identity, which has at its core the belief that non-Caucasian people have no souls and therefore cannot be saved.[24]
Brit-Am is an organization (founded ca.1993) based in Israel, which also identifies the Lost Ten Tribes with the British and related peoples. Brit-Am uses biblical and rabbinical exegesis to justify its beliefs, supplemented by secular studies.
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The archeologist and British Israelite, E. Raymond Capt, claimed that there were similarities between King Jehu's pointed headdress and that of the captive Saka king seen to the far right on the Behistun Inscription.[27] He also posited that the Assyrian word for the House of Israel, Khumri, after Israel's King Omri of the 8th century B.C., is phonetically similar to Gimirri.[27] (Cimmerian)
British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Scriptural interpretation
Adherents of British Israelism cite various scriptures in support of the argument that the Northern Israelite Tribes were lost. Critics argue that British Israelists misunderstand and misinterpret the meaning of these scriptures.[37][46][47]
One such case is the distinction that British Israelists make between the “Jews” of the Southern Kingdom and the “Israelites” of the Northern Kingdom. They believe that the Bible consistently distinguishes between the two groups. Critics counter that many of these scriptures are misinterpreted because the distinction between “Jews” and “Israelites” was lost over time after the captivities.[46][48] They give examples such as the Apostle Paul, who is referred to as both a Jew (Acts 21:39) and an Israelite (2 Corinthians 11:22) and who addressed the Hebrews as both “Men of Judea” and “Fellow Israelites”. (Acts 2:14,22.) (Greer, 2004. p22)[46] Many more examples are cited by critics.
British Israelists believe that the Northern Tribes of Israel were “lost” after the captivity in Assyria and that this is reflected in the Bible. Critics disagree with this assertion and argue that only higher ranking Israelites were deported from Israel and many Israelites remained.(Dimont, 1933. p5)[47][48] They cite examples after the Assyrian captivity, such as Josiah, King of Judah, who received money from the tribes of “Manasseh, and Ephraim and all the remnant of Israel”, (2 Chronicles 34:9) and Hezekiah, who sent invitations not only to Judah, but also to northern Israel for the attendance of a Passover in Jerusalem. (2 Chronicles 30) (Dimont, 1933.)[47] (Note that British Israelites interpret 2 Chronicles 34:9 as referring to "Scythians" in order to fit with their theory.)
British Israelism states that the Bible refers to the Lost Tribes of Israel as dwelling in “isles”, (Isaiah 49:1,3) which they interpret to mean the British Isles. Critics assert that the word “isles” used in English-language bibles should more accurately be interpreted to mean “coasts” or “distant lands” “without any implication of their being surrounded by the sea.” (The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1901. Vol.1, page 600.) For example, some English translations refer to Tyre as an ‘isle’, whereas a more accurate description is that of a ‘coastal town.’ (Greer, 2004. p25)[46]
British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CONCLUSION:
TEN TRIBES NOT LOST
Adherents of British Israelism cite various scriptures in support of the argument that the Northern Israelite Tribes were lost. Critics argue that British Israelists misunderstand and misinterpret the meaning of these scriptures.[37][46][47]
One such case is the distinction that British Israelists make between the “Jews” of the Southern Kingdom and the “Israelites” of the Northern Kingdom. They believe that the Bible consistently distinguishes between the two groups. Critics counter that many of these scriptures are misinterpreted because the distinction between “Jews” and “Israelites” was lost over time after the captivities.[46][48] They give examples such as the Apostle Paul, who is referred to as both a Jew (Acts 21:39) and an Israelite (2 Corinthians 11:22) and who addressed the Hebrews as both “Men of Judea” and “Fellow Israelites”. (Acts 2:14,22.) (Greer, 2004. p22)[46] Many more examples are cited by critics.
British Israelists believe that the Northern Tribes of Israel were “lost” after the captivity in Assyria and that this is reflected in the Bible. Critics disagree with this assertion and argue that only higher ranking Israelites were deported from Israel and many Israelites remained.(Dimont, 1933. p5)[47][48] They cite examples after the Assyrian captivity, such as Josiah, King of Judah, who received money from the tribes of “Manasseh, and Ephraim and all the remnant of Israel”, (2 Chronicles 34:9) and Hezekiah, who sent invitations not only to Judah, but also to northern Israel for the attendance of a Passover in Jerusalem. (2 Chronicles 30) (Dimont, 1933.)[47] (Note that British Israelites interpret 2 Chronicles 34:9 as referring to "Scythians" in order to fit with their theory.)
British Israelism states that the Bible refers to the Lost Tribes of Israel as dwelling in “isles”, (Isaiah 49:1,3) which they interpret to mean the British Isles. Critics assert that the word “isles” used in English-language bibles should more accurately be interpreted to mean “coasts” or “distant lands” “without any implication of their being surrounded by the sea.” (The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1901. Vol.1, page 600.) For example, some English translations refer to Tyre as an ‘isle’, whereas a more accurate description is that of a ‘coastal town.’ (Greer, 2004. p25)[46]
British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CONCLUSION:
TEN TRIBES NOT LOST