Fairness & Justice on Christian Chat | & Calling sin for what it is

[AppleMelon]

Why is it that you can't express an opinion here? If I say taking drugs is a sin, and someone takes drugs on here, it's now cruel, nasty and disrespectful? But what does the Bible say?

Analyse my speech, see what I've written, I haven't been malicious but as loving as I could have been. When you don't call out sin as sin and letting someone destroy their own lives, that's not loving. That's hate. If you won't tell someone they're about to walk off a cliff because it may scare them, or you may cause them to feel bad and panic, is that love? Is letting someone die love? No. Calling out sin is a Biblical principle.

Galatians 6:1 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

Is Paul commanding us in the Bible to be unloving? Nope, it's love.

I can sense this spirit on here. Somehow following the Bible is now looked down upon. Doing the right thing is now the wrong thing. Where is the justice, I could call out names on here but, they'll just threaten me again. Where is the love here? I see pride puffing people up, making them think they're some great one.

 

[Skinski7]

Why is it that you can't express an opinion here? If I say taking drugs is a sin, and someone takes drugs on here, it's now cruel, nasty and disrespectful? But what does the Bible say?

Analyse my speech, see what I've written, I haven't been malicious but as loving as I could have been. When you don't call out sin as sin and letting someone destroy their own lives, that's not loving. That's hate. If you won't tell someone they're about to walk off a cliff because it may scare them, or you may cause them to feel bad and panic, is that love? Is letting someone die love? No. Calling out sin is a Biblical principle.

Galatians 6:1 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

Is Paul commanding us in the Bible to be unloving? Nope, it's love.

I can sense this spirit on here. Somehow following the Bible is now looked down upon. Doing the right thing is now the wrong thing. Where is the justice, I could call out names on here but, they'll just threaten me again. Where is the love here? I see pride puffing people up, making them think they're some great one.

When everything is defined as sin which is then presented within the context that even Christian's are "wretched sinners" (ala Romans 7:14-28) then salvation itself becomes a cloak for this ongoing corrupted state.

Under such a belief system a drug addict is the equivalent of a gossiper or sports addict. They are all recognised at varying stages of sanctification yet all "cloaked" by Jesus. Thus there is simply "no sin" that can be preached as keeping one out of the kingdom because everyone sins anyway. The issue then becomes whether you have "received Jesus."

This is what happens when one disconnects manifest heart transformation (the heart being made pure) from the salvation experience, which is what modern theology for all practical purposes has done.

Notice in pretty much all the threads that heart purity is never mentioned. It is a non-issue to most professing Christian's because they view heart purity as simply impossible in this life and thus believe that God somehow removes this "sinful nature" which is the equivalent of an "evil heart" when they are get glorified.

 

[p_rehbein]

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I don't understand what saying drug abuse is a sin has to do with "fairness and justice" on CC.......

 

[john832]

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I don't understand what saying drug abuse is a sin has to do with "fairness and justice" on CC.......

I don't think we are rpivy to the entire set of circumstances p_.

 

[p_rehbein]

I don't think we are rpivy to the entire set of circumstances p_.

......and I suspect that may be a blessing......

 

[shrimp]

​i think it was just an example.

 

[NewEagle]

AppleMelon, Without knowing the context of your remark it is hard to discern what you mean. Were you speaking to someone who was on prescription medication or someone who was on or promoting illegal drugs?

What was the conversation, who was discussing the topic?

The rules on CC are enforced by moderators. Did a moderator say you were "cruel, nasty and disrespectful" or was it a chatter?

If it was a chatter, you have the option to report them to a moderator directly by either PMing a mod, or emailing one through CC email.

If a mod called you cruel, nasty and disrespectful (which I have never heard of on CC), you can still PM another mod or email a moderator.

Bear in mind two things though, that not everyone on here is a Christian, and some who say they are Christian in their profile are not.

None of the admins of this site believe that ''following the Bible is looked down upon'' . On the contrary, the admins. and many of the chatters here believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, and what Jesus said is to be followed.

Any given night or day or hour on CC is different depending on who is in the chat room. If you have an issue or problem with a specific person or persons, please let the mods know so they can help.

God Bless.

Why is it that you can't express an opinion here? If I say taking drugs is a sin, and someone takes drugs on here, it's now cruel, nasty and disrespectful? But what does the Bible say?

Analyse my speech, see what I've written, I haven't been malicious but as loving as I could have been. When you don't call out sin as sin and letting someone destroy their own lives, that's not loving. That's hate. If you won't tell someone they're about to walk off a cliff because it may scare them, or you may cause them to feel bad and panic, is that love? Is letting someone die love? No. Calling out sin is a Biblical principle.

Galatians 6:1 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

Is Paul commanding us in the Bible to be unloving? Nope, it's love.

I can sense this spirit on here. Somehow following the Bible is now looked down upon. Doing the right thing is now the wrong thing. Where is the justice, I could call out names on here but, they'll just threaten me again. Where is the love here? I see pride puffing people up, making them think they're some great one.

 

[mystdancer50]

It is very dangerous to state your opinion anywhere, I've learned, since most people disagree with it just because it rubs them the wrong way. There are a few times on here that I've been irked by something but I've just walked away and said nothing. Other times, I open my mouth and get kicked in the teeth, but hey, I was the one who jumped in. The worst for me is when someone asks for an opinion and I state it as such and then I'm attacked with false information. They say, "So this is what you meant" and I'm like, "No. If you'd read what I wrote, you'd see what I meant." And then I usually thank them for knowing me better than I know myself. Yeah, I can be mean.

I find that when things get out of hand, the best thing to do is walk away. I have a few cases when I didn't do this quickly enough. You will ALWAYS find someone here that doesn't like your opinion and you will ALWAYS find someone that will call you names, doing exactly what they accuse you of doing. It's ironic but it's human nature.

It has rarely been the case for me that I confront sin and am attacked for doing so, but it has happened. In those cases, I just think, "Well, Lord, I spoke Your truth and that is all I am accountable for." It is really hard to present a tone here that comes across clear. I think we type our answers as shortly and plainly as we can to prevent confusion, but then we are seen as blunt and harsh and judgmental. That happens online and can't really be avoided.

I don't know...just thinking aloud. I totally know where you're coming from, though. I feel your frustration. There are good days and bad days...which makes CC very much like nonvirtual life.

 

[AppleMelon]

Well, it seems that I have been unbanned from the chatroom now.

However, the situation was I said to a Christian "smoker" that smoking is a sin. She decided to ask a moderator what he thought about smoking since she respects his opinion more than mine. Then I said that the moderator isn't God and the important question is 'what does the Bible say'. Then I ended up getting a warning from the moderator. After that I just reiterated my point, saying smoking is a sin though. Then the moderator just banned me.

Is that fair? Saying something is a sin can get you banned from a chatroom?

I was even watching a sermon this morning about smoking being a sin.

I wasn't been cruel, nasty or mean, I was just telling the lady that smoking is a sin out of love. I couldn't remember the verses by heart to make my point, but it's not hard to see that smoking is a sin.

The aggravating factor was that no-one agreed with me, the lady who I was talking to said she had smoked for 20 years and God had never convicted her, I said she probably seared her conscience. Is that mean to say? To me, if I was in unrepentant sin I'd be getting chastised by God, and that's a Biblical principle shown in -

Hebrews 12:8 - "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

- I've been banned in the lounge before by saying the KJV is the only Bible for the English-speaker. I know the lounge is for "laid-back" people, but the Biblestudy room wasn't doing any Bible study so I wanted some Bible talk. The lounge seems too politically correct for some Bible study.

 

[mystdancer50]

I once attempted to address the issue of fornication in a thread. Everyone ganged up on me, said the person didn't come here to be judged (they were just ignoring her sin, first praying that she not be pregnant due to her unprotected sex and then praising the fact that her prayer to not be pregnant was answered...it was at that point that I addressed the real issue, fornication) and the OP decided to close the thread through a moderator. It's all well and good, but then the moderator came in and stated their opinion, siding with everyone else, before closing the thread, which meant they had the final say, right or wrong, which irked me. I was like, just close the darn thread. No one asked for you to take sides. That's not the role of a moderator anyway.

So, yeah, I feel your pain. Just like everywhere else, there are good moderators and power abusing ones. I just shrug it off and move on.

 

[Fenner]

Well, it seems that I have been unbanned from the chatroom now.

However, the situation was I said to a Christian "smoker" that smoking is a sin. She decided to ask a moderator what he thought about smoking since she respects his opinion more than mine. Then I said that the moderator isn't God and the important question is 'what does the Bible say'. Then I ended up getting a warning from the moderator. After that I just reiterated my point, saying smoking is a sin though. Then the moderator just banned me.

Is that fair? Saying something is a sin can get you banned from a chatroom?

I was even watching a sermon this morning about smoking being a sin.

I wasn't been cruel, nasty or mean, I was just telling the lady that smoking is a sin out of love. I couldn't remember the verses by heart to make my point, but it's not hard to see that smoking is a sin.

The aggravating factor was that no-one agreed with me, the lady who I was talking to said she had smoked for 20 years and God had never convicted her, I said she probably seared her conscience. Is that mean to say? To me, if I was in unrepentant sin I'd be getting chastised by God, and that's a Biblical principle shown in -

Hebrews 12:8 - "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

- I've been banned in the lounge before by saying the KJV is the only Bible for the English-speaker. I know the lounge is for "laid-back" people, but the Biblestudy room wasn't doing any Bible study so I wanted some Bible talk. The lounge seems too politically correct for some Bible study.

Smoking is bad, I think it's a sin. I can always tell when someone is or has been a smoker and most people I know that smoke want to quit. So I agree with you, I'm sorry that happened.

I see some people who get very crass on here and I never see them gone, so I don't understand that.

 

[mystdancer50]

There are many cases of out and out bullying that is ignored and out and out glorification of sin that is ignored, but, yeah, if someone feels 'judged' then people are all over that. Madness!

I apologize if I sound angry. I have just had a bad couple of days on here. Kind of taints the whole thing for a time, you know?

 

[p_rehbein]

The rule I go by is the one given by the Apostle Paul...........

If for you it's a sin, then it's a sin....................and you should act/live accordingly........Now, that doesn't mean you, me, or anyone else should say that it's a sin for everyone...........Are some things clearly a sin for everyone? Well, yes, but those are defined in the 10 Commandments for the most part. People aren't perfect........and we should not hold others to the same standard we hold ourselves, for in my experience this ends up being that "others" face a much more strict standard, and we kind of excuse our occasional slips...........

If for you it's a sin, then it is a sin............act/live accordingly.........

God bless

 

[Fenner]

I'm sorry MystDancer, I like your posts and I hope you continue to come to CC. I don't involve myself in a lot of serious conversation around here anymore because of the reasons you posted. I just come here for fun. But if I see someone hurting and needing help, I do my best to comfort them.

Things are taken out of context all the time. If people would sit back and maybe read someone's post again, they might see it in the context it was meant to be taken in. Not telling someone something out of judgement but out of love.

Many people come here ask for advice then get mad if you say something they don't like. I just chalk that up to someone who's not ready to hear the truth.

 

[mystdancer50]

One thing I saw a lot of in my teen and young adult life was the harsh judgment of others when they failed, unless the judger was related to said person. For example, fornication. They would be all up in arms about someone engaging in it, then when their sister/brother did so, they would say, "Oh, they're just experimenting" or "It's just a phase" and I was like, "What?!?"

Yup. The thing with me is I am brutally harsh and strict with myself. I do not let little slips go unremarked in my life. So what I've had to learn is not to give others the same measure of grace I give myself, but rather to give them grace, period. I don't have much self-compassion, so if I gave all those around me the same measure I gave myself, well, it would not be a good thing. So, instead, I think about how much Jesus loves them and I try to reach them where they are with that love. Sometimes I fail to do so correctly...but I do try.

 

[tripsin]

Well, it seems that I have been unbanned from the chatroom now.

However, the situation was I said to a Christian "smoker" that smoking is a sin. She decided to ask a moderator what he thought about smoking since she respects his opinion more than mine. Then I said that the moderator isn't God and the important question is 'what does the Bible say'. Then I ended up getting a warning from the moderator. After that I just reiterated my point, saying smoking is a sin though. Then the moderator just banned me.

Is that fair? Saying something is a sin can get you banned from a chatroom?

I was even watching a sermon this morning about smoking being a sin.

I wasn't been cruel, nasty or mean, I was just telling the lady that smoking is a sin out of love. I couldn't remember the verses by heart to make my point, but it's not hard to see that smoking is a sin.

The aggravating factor was that no-one agreed with me, the lady who I was talking to said she had smoked for 20 years and God had never convicted her, I said she probably seared her conscience. Is that mean to say? To me, if I was in unrepentant sin I'd be getting chastised by God, and that's a Biblical principle shown in -

Hebrews 12:8 - "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

- I've been banned in the lounge before by saying the KJV is the only Bible for the English-speaker. I know the lounge is for "laid-back" people, but the Biblestudy room wasn't doing any Bible study so I wanted some Bible talk. The lounge seems too politically correct for some Bible study.

AppleMelon, We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners. Each of us are on a path toward understanding Our Savior's nature, which nature we endeavor to glorify by our Christian lifestyle. But it is a matter of spiritual growth and only God knows at which stage each of us are at and what it is going to take for Him to get us where He wants us to be. What is necessary for one person might not be what God is interesting in at the moment for the next. In fact, He may not require a certain individual to ever stop smoking!

We have to be careful not to be self righteous. But "love your neighbor as yourself."

 

[shrimp]

So, Apple, any sense of de ja vous happening here?

 

[mystdancer50]

I'm sorry MystDancer, I like your posts and I hope you continue to come to CC. I don't involve myself in a lot of serious conversation around here anymore because of the reasons you posted. I just come here for fun. But if I see someone hurting and needing help, I do my best to comfort them.

Things are taken out of context all the time. If people would sit back and maybe read someone's post again, they might see it in the context it was meant to be taken in. Not telling someone something out of judgement but out of love.

Many people come here ask for advice then get mad if you say something they don't like. I just chalk that up to someone who's not ready to hear the truth.

Thanks. Yeah. I decided that I'm just going to stick with fun posts and blog entries and some serious posts, but I'm not going to be as involved as I once was. The last couple of days really wore on my heart. An opinion was asked for, I stated my opinion and why I believed it, and I had good dialog with one member that I like, and suddenly people were all over me with their condemning madness and I'm like, "Sheesh. I didn't say everyone had to believe like I did. Opinions were asked for and I gave mine."

Most of the stuff tossed out there was just because they didn't read my posts completely or, if they did, they read it with their filters engaged and their arguments in hand, ready to fire. Enough is enough, I decided. I bowed out of the thread and won't go back. Feels good to do that sometimes.

 

[mystdancer50]

So, Apple, any sense of de ja vous happening here?

I sure am sensing deja vous.

Hmmm...spell check doesn't like French.

 

[wordsponge]

Why is it that you can't express an opinion here? If I say taking drugs is a sin, and someone takes drugs on here, it's now cruel, nasty and disrespectful? But what does the Bible say?

Analyse my speech, see what I've written, I haven't been malicious but as loving as I could have been. When you don't call out sin as sin and letting someone destroy their own lives, that's not loving. That's hate. If you won't tell someone they're about to walk off a cliff because it may scare them, or you may cause them to feel bad and panic, is that love? Is letting someone die love? No. Calling out sin is a Biblical principle.

Galatians 6:1 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
Is Paul commanding us in the Bible to be unloving? Nope, it's love.

I can sense this spirit on here. Somehow following the Bible is now looked down upon. Doing the right thing is now the wrong thing. Where is the justice, I could call out names on here but, they'll just threaten me again. Where is the love here? I see pride puffing people up, making them think they're some great one.

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Hello,

You are absolutely correct. Do what is right and your reward is with your LORD.
'The people with ears' shall hear you.
That is why there is Goodness and Severity.
We still desire Salvation for all.

Keep well,