Who is the Morning Star

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Isaiah 14:12
“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
 
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Isaiah 14:12
“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”


Observing the classic Hebrew definition…


הילל= “hêylêl”

“hêylêl” definition:

Masculine noun. (Strong’s #H1966; TWOT #499a). Shining one, light-bearer,morning star, Lucifer; of the king of Babylon and Satan (figuratively).

It comes from the root, “halal” (#H1984; TWOT #499/500), which means thegiving off of light by celestial bodies; to shine, to flash forth light, to praise, boast, be boastful, to be boastful, boastful ones, boasters, to act madly, like a madman.

References:
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT) Harris, Archer, Waltke, volume 1, pp. 217 - 218
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the Old Testament, Warren Baker,Eugene Carpenter, p. 263
The New Strong’s Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible Red-letterEdition, James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., Hebrew and Aramaic dictionary, p.17




Compare its usage in Isaiah chapter 14…


Oh shining one, son of the morning, how you be cast down from the heavens! You weakening the nations, you are cut down to the earth. For you have said In your heart, I will go up to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit in the mount of meeting, in the sides of the north. I will rise over the heights of the clouds; I will be compared to the Most High. Yet you shall go down to Sheol, to the sidesof the Pit.


To Revelation chapter 12…


And war occurred in Heaven, Michael and his angels making war against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels made war, but they did not have strength, nor yet was place found for them in Heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent being called devil, and, Satan; he deceiving the whole habitable world was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because the accuser of our brothers is thrown down, the one accusing them before our God day and night.And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul even until death. Because of this, be glad, the heavens and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the ones dwelling on the earth, and in the sea, because the devil came down to you having great anger, knowing that he has a little time!



Compare also what Jesus states in Luke, chapter 10…


And He said to them, I saw Satan falling out of Heaven as lightning! Behold, I have given you the authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and on all the power of the hostile one, and nothing shall hurt you, no, never! But stop rejoicing in this, that the evil spirits submit to you. But rather rejoice that your names are written in Heaven.




Context seals the deal.

Observe:

• Isaiah states that “hêylêl” is cast down from Heavento earth…just as Revelation states that Satan is cast down from Heaven to earth
• Isaiah describes “hêylêl” as striving to be like God… “I will be compared to the Most High”…just as Revelation states that Satan rebelled and was the accuser
• Revelation makes a clear distinction between the Devil (which is cast from Heaven) and Jesus by the phrase “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because ofthe Word”
• Jesus further distinguishes Himself from Satan by stating “I saw Satan falling out of Heaven as lightning!”...i.e. Satan is compared to “astrapē”, (a flash of light) same as described by the root “halal”
• “Halal” also imparts to us boastfulness, and acting madly...all clear indicators of Satan’s attributes



Thus…

The contextual usage of “hêylêl” clearly mandates that it refers to Satan, not Jesus Christ.

Further, based upon this evidence, the best rendering for “hêylêl” should not be “Morning Star”…but rather… “Shining one”…
 
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the literal morning star = the literal sun
Jesus= the SUN of righteousness.
 
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Notice how in the first verse you provided it says O star of the morning, and note: in other verses angels are referred to as morning stars, but in the second verse you provided, Jesus is the Bright and morning star.
 
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Out of curiosity Bowman why did you choose Shinning One instead of light-bearer, morning star or Lucifer. I think Lucifer or light-bearer would have been a better choice because those 2 best describe who Satan is - 2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Shinning one is pretty vague and really doesn't describe Satan very well.
 
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Out of curiosity Bowman why did you choose Shinning One instead of light-bearer, morning star or Lucifer. I think Lucifer or light-bearer would have been a better choice because those 2 best describe who Satan is - 2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Shinning one is pretty vague and really doesn't describe Satan very well.

I believe that my exegesis details my reasoning quite well.

Distinction needs to be made between 'Morning Star' for Jesus and that of Satan.

Thinking of it in its most simplistic terms....one is rising....the other one is falling....thus, they cannot possibly be called the same thing...
 
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I believe that my exegesis details my reasoning quite well.

Distinction needs to be made between 'Morning Star' for Jesus and that of Satan.

Thinking of it in its most simplistic terms....one is rising....the other one is falling....thus, they cannot possibly be called the same thing...
I agree with your logic behind distinguishing between Satan and Jesus, but unless I'm missing something, shinning one doesn't represent falling. Do you know of a translation that translates it as shinning one? All the ones I looked at translated it morning star or day start.
 
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I agree with your logic behind distinguishing between Satan and Jesus, but unless I'm missing something, shinning one doesn't represent falling. Do you know of a translation that translates it as shinning one? All the ones I looked at translated it morning star or day start.
All passages pertaining to Satan inform the reader that he is falling...Isaiah, Luke, Revelation....thus, context seals the deal...

I already detailed this in my exegesis...did you actually read it...?
 
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All passages pertaining to Satan inform the reader that he is falling...Isaiah, Luke, Revelation....thus, context seals the deal...

I already detailed this in my exegesis...did you actually read it...?
I actually read all of it and agree with it except for the choice of shinning one. Not a big a deal the important thing is to alert readers that most translations create a cloud of confusion around this verse. No doubt morning star is the absolute worst choice for that verse.
 
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Notice how in the first verse you provided it says O star of the morning, and note: in other verses angels are referred to as morning stars, but in the second verse you provided, Jesus is the Bright and morning star.
I see where your coming from on that. But I think that reference in Job is talking about angels that have not fallen. Either way, I see your point.

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 
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I actually read all of it and agree with it except for the choice of shinning one. Not a big a deal the important thing is to alert readers that most translations create a cloud of confusion around this verse. No doubt morning star is the absolute worst choice for that verse.

You provided the verse stating that Satan masquerades as an 'angel of light'....this seems to dovetail perfectly with the definition 'shining one', which I chose from the lexicons...does it not...? :)
 

ChosenbyHim

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The morning star is the Lord Jesus Christ.


The modern versions such as the NIV (Non Inspired Version), ESV (Ecumenical Satanic Vacuum), NASB (New American Satanic bible), and a lot of the other perversions take out the word Lucifer and replace it with either morning star or day star. And of course, this brings confusion.

Because in 2 Peter 1:19, we find out that Jesus is the day star.

And by reading Revelation 22:16, we see that Jesus Christ is the morning star, because He clearly declares that He is.

So both day star and morning star are titles for our Lord Jesus Christ.


So in the modern Vatican perversions, it is no longer Satan (Lucifer) who falls from Heaven, but rather its Jesus.


What utter blasphemy!

This one example alone should be enough evidence for any Christian to discern the Satanic corruption that is in these modern bible perversions.
 
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The morning star is the Lord Jesus Christ.


The modern versions such as the NIV (Non Inspired Version), ESV (Ecumenical Satanic Vacuum), NASB (New American Satanic bible), and a lot of the other perversions take out the word Lucifer and replace it with either morning star or day star. And of course, this brings confusion.

Because in 2 Peter 1:19, we find out that Jesus is the day star.

And by reading Revelation 22:16, we see that Jesus Christ is the morning star, because He clearly declares that He is.

So both day star and morning star are titles for our Lord Jesus Christ.


So in the modern Vatican perversions, it is no longer Satan (Lucifer) who falls from Heaven, but rather its Jesus.


What utter blasphemy!

This one example alone should be enough evidence for any Christian to discern the Satanic corruption that is in these modern bible perversions.

As with any translation, it is always the duty of the reader to verify the original languages behind the English renderings....yes?
 
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I'm glad to see people discussing the oddity in the translation instead of seeing someone trying to prove that satan and Jesus are the same. :p

The morning star (physically venus) is at certain times of the year, the bright "star" that comes up right before the sun.
It is a "herald" that announces the day's "revelation".
Thus we retain the quip "it dawned on me" to say "I realized" or "It was shown to me"

Jesus says in His revelation that He is that star, and that certain over-comers can be also.
Some bible verses show that others besides Jesus can be considered sons of God.

I imagine that if one is personally engaged in the Job 38 conversation with God the same way as Job, one might know whether or not he is one such morning star / sons of God. But it looks to me like he'd have to go through hell on earth and mind like Job to get to that point. :eek::eek:
 
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Nautilus

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wow ive never once been confused by this and i didnt need a kjv to figure it out.
 
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My Bible says it is none other than Lucifer. Yep, think I'll stick with my Bible. Ya know, the Bible for simpletons.