There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

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And the greek for spirit is connotative of 'motive', or our english word 'psyche', 'thought pattern'. The greek for soul connotative of 'personality' or 'essence' and the greek for mind connotative of 'intellect'.

John 14:15

You should adopt your master, your God, in all your motive, personality and intellect, this is the first great instruction.

In otherwords, be like Jesus is; take on God's perspective. take on God's 'spirit'.

14:16

And the second is like unto it (on equal par with it), have compassion for those around you as though they are you'.

Just like the disciples, who can forgive sins, since they have the spirit of God in them;

John 20:22-23

And when he had said this, he 'insparare' (modern) or 'emphusao' (ancient) inspired them, and said to them, ‘Lay hold of the Holy Spirit (become in tune with God's will)'. If you let go (permit) the sins of any, they are let go; if you retain (take control of) the sins of any, they are retained.
 
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God the Son, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit co-existing together in heaven.

That's right. You have to invent non-biblical terms simply to define it. Therefore it can't be biblical.

I suppose that the "logos was with God and was God" is the best formulation of a duality that the bible can come up with, but we are dealing with concepts that cannot be understood here. The only understanding of God given to man is his unity, his single throne, and his single hypostasis (Heb 1;3).
I suppose, that is enough, isn't it, God's words are the Truth, if He says that Christ was with Him from the beginning then that should tell you something very simple: Christ was with God from the beginning, in the beginning, and, will be with Him until the end, which, by the way, is never-ending. :)

a. Please define the word "persons".
b. Where do you get the information that Theophilus first used the word in greek language and Tertullian in latin?
c. Do you have scripture to support "the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person'?
d. Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ - would you further elaborate this because the verses you quoted seemed to suggest a difference in divinity?
I am not sure what you mean by the word 'persons' needing explained, a person is someone who is a presence inside us, who does things to help others. The Holy Spirit helps others . He is there, that person's Helper :)
The word 'person' is hard to understand, for putting the word into tangible terms is a wrong thing to do, for no one has seen God and God IS the Holy Spirit given us. NO ONE, that I know of , has ever seen the Holy Spirit. But is He real and does that make Him a person? You decide :) The Lord leads , His Spirit will 'reveal' all truth to you in His 'due time,' and, yes, those quoted words on in Scripture :)

The Holy Spirit is a 'Helper,' would you consider that a 'distinct divine Person,' as you put it, chubbub :)
Scripture says that the Holy Spirit lit on Jesus in the form of a dove. So, I guess, you have to think of it as you want to, either the Holy Spirit is a person or it's a white bird of peace . I choose to believe the former, the Holy Spirit is a person, distinct in
 
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a. Please define the word "persons".
b. Where do you get the information that Theophilus first used the word in greek language and Tertullian in latin?
c. Do you have scripture to support "the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person'?
d. Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ - would you further elaborate this because the verses you quoted seemed to suggest a difference in divinity?
The attributes of a personality: Mind, emotions and will.

1 Cor. 2:10-11 - The Spirit searches and knows. This proves He has a mind.
Eph. 3:40 - "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit." - This proves He has emotions.
Rom 8:26-27 - The Holy Spirit gives (spiritual) gifts as he wills. - This proves He has a will.

See: John 14:16-17:)
 
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The Trinity doctrine is an illogical, non-Bible based teaching. Many are confused by this falsehood...and as a result do not feel close to God; or feel real love or real connection to/ for God because this erroneous teaching.John 7:29, is one of many verses in the Bible that disproves the Trinity doctrine.
No verse thwarts the Trinity.

The Trinity is an epithet which describes the whole of scripture.

You need to define what you even think the Trinity is before you can say state that scripture somehow disproves it.

John 7.29 is already comprehended by the Trinity.

 
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We, as Christians, could be reminded that the Lord Jesus was crucified for telling He was the Son of God and, by saying that, He was also "God", divinely coming for our Spiritual Father in Heaven. Jews were not fooled! They knew the O.T. very well and Moses, somewhere wrote to kill those who were saying things leading to whorship "Another God"...

Here we see, in that aspect, Christianity could be leading MANY to a thing not connected to MONOTEISM.

I do agree Jesus is devine, but not God, the Father. and His Spirit is related or connected to JAH, not that way Catholics has told us, long ago.

At the long run, God could help us understand this, if it is important enough, since salvation doesn't depend on MY BELIEFS (nor others) but on what GOD believes about me, my deeds, as well as other's peoples.
Read your Bible.

God already knows everything possible about you.

Your mission is to comprehend Him as best you can....NOT the other way around!

If you deny that God revealed Himself as Triune, then you are most assuredly lost.
 
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Sounds like that Kingdom Hall nonsense to me. If you deny the deity of Christ , you are not Christian so why do you come to a Christian site?
 
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tripsin

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Read your Bible.

God already knows everything possible about you.

Your mission is to comprehend Him as best you can....NOT the other way around!

If you deny that God revealed Himself as Triune, then you are most assuredly lost.
Or confused. Even many dear sisters and brothers in the Lord do not quite understand the 'Trinity.'
 

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The Trinity doctrine is an illogical, non-Bible based teaching. Many are confused by this falsehood...and as a result do not feel close to God; or feel real love or real connection to/ for God because this erroneous teaching.John 7:29, is one of many verses in the Bible that disproves the Trinity doctrine.
Even your corrupted New World Translation shows that God the Father and Jesus Christ are one.
See Revelation chapter one, specifically verses eight through eighteen.
 
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tripsin

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Does the devil have a trinity ?
Probably. Allah, Muhammad and the Mahdi?

The devil almost always has a counterfeit truth to any issue.
 
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There are over 500 verses, maybe more, that oppose the idea of the trinity either in direct statements or non-direct ways in which Jesus talks about God as being outside himself or it is implied.

There's also this; The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century. He defines the Trinity as God, His word and His wisdom, in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation.

a la John's 'in the beginning'

there's also this;

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And the hundreds of verses against the idea of the trinity as it is seen nowadays.

1. Mark 13.32 But of that day or that hour of judgement, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.

2. Deut 6:4 Our God is one God

3. The first commandment, from Hebrew; 'Not to be - you have other God's besides, above'. aka don't have other God's besides or over me.

Deut 4:35, 32:39.

Isiah 45:14, 46:9

Ex 20:3, Deut 5:7

1 Corinth 8:4-6.

Ephesians 4:3-6

James 2:19

Those are just a few of the ones that explicitly ​imply it.
 
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There are over 500 verses, maybe more, that oppose the idea of the trinity either in direct statements or non-direct ways in which Jesus talks about God as being outside himself or it is implied.

There's also this; The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century. He defines the Trinity as God, His word and His wisdom, in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation.

a la John's 'in the beginning'

there's also this;

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And the hundreds of verses against the idea of the trinity as it is seen nowadays.

1. Mark 13.32 But of that day or that hour of judgement, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.

2. Deut 6:4 Our God is one God

3. The first commandment, from Hebrew; 'Not to be - you have other God's besides, above'. aka don't have other God's besides or over me.

Deut 4:35, 32:39.

Isiah 45:14, 46:9

Ex 20:3, Deut 5:7

1 Corinth 8:4-6.

Ephesians 4:3-6

James 2:19

Those are just a few of the ones that explicitly ​imply it.


Again....

No verse thwarts the Trinity!

Pick your best scriptural example and detail to us EXACTLY how it supposedly thwarts the Trinity.

You don't even know what the Trinity is....
 
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Regarding the end of this system of things or the end of this wicked world, Matthew quotes Jesus as saying:"Concerning that day and hour NOBODY KNOWS, neither the angels of the heavens NOR THE Son, but ONLY the FATHER." (Matthew 24:36) QUESTION: How do these words confirm that Jesus is NOT Almighty God? Jesus is saying in this verse to his followers that the Father in heaven, Jehovah, knows more than he, Jesus the Son does. If Jesus were part of a trinity, Jesus would know the same facts or information as his heavenly Father. So, then, the Son and the Father CANNOT be equal. QUESTION: Why is there no mention of an alleged third person to the trinity or no mention of the "Holy Ghost" as many call this third part of a three headed god? Jesus never mentioned anything about it. Why does Jesus not say that it, the so-called "Holy Ghost", knows what the Father knows? Better yet, why didn't Jesus say that he, the Father, and the "Holy Ghost" are the only ones that know when the end will come. Jesus could have said "we" are the only ones (The three headed god of Christedom) that know when the end will come; but he, Jesus, didn't.
It is really sad that people who say they are 'christian' ignore the clear, undeniable Scriptural facts concerning the falsehood and lie that there is such a thing as a trinity. What an ugly and cold picture the Trinity doctrine paints of a loving God (Romans 3:3,4).

QUESTION: How do you explain this verse at John 14:28 when Jesus to his disciples: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to MY GOD and your GOD. If Jesus were part of some three-headed godship, why would he need to ascend or go back to heaven "TO HIMSELF" to his Father, If he was the Father; if he was already part of a three-headed God? Wouldn't the three socalled persons in one, be embodied in Jesus already? The simple pure Bible based truth is that: There is no such thing as a Trinity.
this whole post is non-biblical, someone who does not know the Lord, and is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit- i see how they can say the trinity is illogical
 
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Kerry

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Any one that denies the trinity is either mislead or a worker of satan.
 
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26 wayyō'mer 'ĕlōhîm na'ăśeh 'āḏām bəṣaləmēnû kiḏəmûṯēnû wəyirədû ḇiḏəḡaṯ hayyām ûḇə'wōf haššāmayim ûḇabəhēmâ ûḇəḵāl-hā'āreṣ ûḇəḵāl-hāremeś hārōmēś 'al-hā'āreṣ: 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of ...
 
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Kerry

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Jesus, a voice spoke from heaven ( the Father) and the Holy Spirit descended like a dove. What more do you need or has what you been taught drilled in your head. Sometimes the hardest thing is to unlearn what you have been mislead to believe.
 
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The trinity doctrine cannot be understood in mind because it is based on illogical human concepts and assumptions and not the Bible. God created us with a marvelous brain to understand His Word the Bible. God wants us to comprehend what is in His Word.
Yet there are verses that prove otherwise. We all need to pray for revelation. True Christians know that God, is "not a God of confusion, or disorder". He, Jehovah, is a God of order and peace; not confusion. The trinity doctrine is anything but.

" - - Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?" So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered and said "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven." Matt. 16:13-17.

Jesus reaffirms (John 1:1) the trinity in Matthew 28:19. The Trinity cannot be understood in the mind. We understand it in our spirit.
 
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So what does Genesis 1:26 prove? English please. It doesn't prove a trinity at all :)
26 wayyō'mer 'ĕlōhîm na'ăśeh 'āḏām bəṣaləmēnû kiḏəmûṯēnû wəyirədû ḇiḏəḡaṯ hayyām ûḇə'wōf haššāmayim ûḇabəhēmâ ûḇəḵāl-hā'āreṣ ûḇəḵāl-hāremeś hārōmēś 'al-hā'āreṣ: 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of ...
 

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If we were created in God's image and in His likeness, why don't we have three heads also? All of us have "spirit" or simply the breath of life, whether we are christian or not. All humans "are a living soul". Adam was not created with some invisible shadowy entity within him that departs from the body upon death. The Scriptures simply state that he became a "living soul" or person once Jehovah blew into Adam's nostrils "the breath of life" and then he began to live. Before, God blew into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, Adam was simply a dead soul.......Our bodies are simply just flesh that is made up from the components and elements of the earth Once we die we return back to the elements of the earth (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 9:5,6, and verse 10).
Woman why does thou contend don't you know God is one the Father showed himself to us as divine in the Father The Son and the Holy spirit God is omnipresent and cannot be defined but believe the three are one not three look up Zechariah 14 and 1 john 5:7