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What happen to the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

  • IT IS IN HEAVEN

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DESTROYED

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • I DONT KNOW

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • OTHER

    Votes: 6 66.7%

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[h=3]What happen to the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Genesis 2:9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 
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nathan3

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Job 1:6 ; Job 2 ; Revelation 12:9; . In heaven now; until he's kicked out. That is as much as I will post here. I only talk about Genesis in the chat rooms with voice or in person.
 
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starfield

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It was probably destroyed during the flood.
 
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Job 1:6 ; Job 2 ; Revelation 12:9; . In heaven now; until he's kicked out. That is as much as I will post here. I only talk about Genesis in the chat rooms with voice or in person.

The tree was a literal tree not the devil ok
 
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You must know what the tree is first.

Genesis 2:9And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It was a literal tree
 
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Genesis 2:9And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It was a literal tree
Mark 8:22-25

22* And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him

23* And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought

24* And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

25* After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly

Again we must know what the tree of knowledge is first.
 
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Mark 8:22-25

22* And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him

23* And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought

24* And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

25* After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly

Again we must know what the tree of knowledge is first.


We must not add to the verse so therefore why not apply the same principle to the other tree in the garden just saying
 
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Mark 8:22-25

22* And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him

23* And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought

24* And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

25* After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly

Again we must know what the tree of knowledge is first.


Lets be real ok


  • Proverbs 3:18She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

  • Proverbs 11:30The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

  • Proverbs 13:12Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a treeof life.

  • Proverbs 15:4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
 
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We must not add to the verse so therefore why not apply the same principle to the other tree in the garden just saying
I do! The tree of life is knowledge and understanding.

John 17:1-3

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee

2* As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him

3* And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Those verses you quoted talks about a righteous man. One who produces fruit by the Spirit grounded in love, of which THERE IS NO LAW.

Knowledge of good and evil comes through the LAW.

Life and death is decided by the tongues of every man.
 
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Karraster

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I think the trees in the midst of the garden were tangible fruit bearing trees. They also are symbolic for law and grace(Christ's blood). I see them also represented in the candlestick and as the 2 olive trees that dispense the oil that keeps the lamps lit in churches (think virgins waiting for the groom) Had Adam and Eve continued eating from the tree of life (abiding in Christ) and never eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (law) the history of the world would have been different as different can be. But I guess they didn't appreciate what they had, and had no contrast. How does one appreciate light when having never experienced dark? They did not understand consequences.
 
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Hello I am new
 
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Karraster

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wow i just evened the vote. I guess every vote does count. who knew..
 
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Kerry

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Students of the bible will agree that Christ is the tree of life. He is now at the right hand of the Father.
 

posthuman

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The tree of life is knowledge and understanding.
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Knowledge of good and evil comes through the LAW.
i read of two trees:

one a tree of knowledge
and the other a tree of life

distinct and separate trees.

the first adam sinfully ate of the tree of knowledge, and man born of him is born under law.

the new adam (Christ) is worthy to eat of the tree of life, and the man born of him is born into love.

the law isn't the tree of life. if anything it's the other tree.
 
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Mark 8:22-25

22* And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him

23* And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought

24* And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

25* After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly

Again we must know what the tree of knowledge is first.
"I see men as trees walking" - This man was blind since he "was a child". So naturally, when he regained sight, his vision was blurry - therefore, he saw "men as trees walking" (figure of speech) - then the second time Jesus touched his eyes he had clear vision. (v25)

Just another remark - as reading through the thread - subject changed from "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" to the "tree of life" - ????
 

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By oldhermit

In the garden of Eden there develops an emerging discontinuity between man and his association with forbidden things. When man is unconstrained by revelation, he quite naturally draws conclusions based upon how he relates to the world around him. Man allows what he experiences to influence how he defines what is relevant. Once man learns to link the natural to the eternal, he learns to represent human events in quite a different way. One cannot build a triadic picture of reality based upon experiential logic. Human rationalization operating on its own cannot properly context the relationship of man to the natural world. Building a triadic picture of reality is only possible when one learns to represent human experience in the light of revelation. To do this, one must allow revelation to transcend experiential logic.

There is an example of triadic structure that demonstrates how the natural world and the supernatural world relate to one another in the eternal continuum. At the beginning of man’s history in the garden, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were mentioned in the context of man’s relationship both to God and to the natural world. The text never seems to indicate that in the beginning there was any prohibition to the tree of life but that man was only denied access to the tree of knowledge. It was not until after the fall of man that God placed an angel with a flaming sword at the east of the garden to prohibit man’s access to the tree of life. The way in which Adam chose to represent these trees would reflect his understanding of his association with both God and the natural world. As the narrative unfolds, it becomes clear that access to the tree of life was predicated upon man’s observance of the divine prohibition of the other. Man was to have absolutely no contact with the tree of knowledge. God had provided every tree of the garden for man’s use and pleasure, but this tree was to be left strictly alone. These two trees stand as symbols of a world beyond man’s sensory existence. The tree of forbidden knowledge represents the holiness, the superiority, and the sovereignty of God. It suggests that God always reserves unto Himself the things that belong exclusively to him. It is not merely the tree that has exclusivity, but what that tree represents. As a whole, man is never content to abide by prohibitions. Here, he desires the one thing he is denied. How characteristic this has proven to be of human nature!

Although man was given the highest place of honor as the crowning creation of God and dominion over all creation, this tree was a reminder that even man is not God. Man must stand in the index position of this triad and link the tree of knowledge that he can see to the will of God whom he cannot see. He must also link this tree to revealed consequences that he cannot see and has never before experienced. For man to properly relate to both worlds he must learn to link the eternal world to his world by bringing God’s warning to bear upon his relationship to this tree. He must learn how to define the nature of his relationship to this tree based on what God had told him about it. Now, this epistemology did not just apply to this tree but extended to everything in man’s dominion. He must understand his relationship to all of his domain based upon this triadic epistemology. God had already defined his function in creation and man must relate to his world according to the words of the Lord.

From the beginning, man was confronted with a decision in his association with this icon of good and evil. This tree was a symbol of an unseen reality. There is a particular type of knowledge man was not equipped to handle and should not seek to obtain. The accessibility of the tree shows that man was given the ability to obtain this knowledge. The prohibition laid down by God says that this knowledge is destructive to man. This reinforces man’s position as a subordinate creature to what is unseen. God had said, "From this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shalt not eat of it; for in the day that you eat from it, you shall surely die." Here is a divine standard given to instruct man on how to think when he considers this tree. Since God has decreed that punishment will follow disobedience, the validity of God’s word is upheld. Divine judgment preserves divine justice because it is through the exercise of justice that God protects his holiness. Observance of this revelation becomes a matter of life and death. The ethics were simple; God said, "Don’t touch it." This did not require a human analysis of ethics to decide what might be the right thing to do. Contact with the tree was evil both because God said it was evil, and because of what man would suffer as a result.

We know, because of how this tree is interpreted by the physical senses in the text that man, left on his own, could not arrive at this conclusion. Adam could not see what the tree represented. He could only see the physical dynamics of the tree. For the rest, he must rely upon what God had told him about the tree. Man requires instruction from God to protect him from that which he has no point of reference to understand. As the Creator, God understood things about the nature of man and his relationship to his environment that man did not know and was not created to know. Man was not endowed with the capacity to distinguish between good knowledge and evil knowledge. This truth has not changed. The knowledge provided by this tree was not a necessary component for man to fulfill his role within his assigned environment.

The environment of the garden supplied every conceivable human need. He was even given access to the tree of life. The garden was a secure environment where man had no experience with fear, shame, and disgrace. These were yet unknown elements. It was an aesthetic environment where God controlled access to knowledge. There were certain things that man knew by design, but the prohibition of the tree says that there were those things which man should never want to know or seek to know.

In the garden, man enjoyed the presence of God and the full awareness of God. God knew that through disobedience man would be exiled from this controlled and protected environment and from his fellowship with God. By violating God’s prohibition, man challenged the sovereignty of God. Man does not have the authority to mandate a standard of moral conduct. The text of Genesis shows us that this level of knowledge belongs exclusively to God. Because man chose to behave sinfully, he is now confronted with a new reality. Adam is now aware of a particular type of knowledge that will forever change the way mankind represents the relationship he has with the natural world and with his God. It also laid a foundation by which humanity would forever be forced to choose between these two epistemologies. Should we represent reality based on revelation from God or should we rely on those things learned from pragmatic experiences? Which one will we depend upon to tell us the truth about what is relevant?

Now, man has access to the knowledge of good and evil. This presents two problems: First, man does not know the difference between good and evil and secondly, history shows us that when man is left to his own, he will more often than not choose the evil to his own destruction, even when revelation is present. In Genesis 6:5, we see that by the time Noah comes on the scene, "every imagination of the thoughts of the heart is only evil continually," (RSV). The fact that revelation was available to that generation is evident in the character of Noah. God regarded Noah as "righteous in his generation." Righteousness is the result of submitting one’s self to revealed constraints. This deterioration of a divinely established ethic shows a complete reversal of a revealed epistemology. This is what happens when the mind of man becomes isolated from the revelation of God. This isolation was willful, deliberate, and fatal. When man is left to himself without a desire for revealed knowledge, he is characteristically self-destructive. If man is to survive spiritually in a cursed environment, it will require a standard that will enable him to represent properly his assigned place within creation.

When Satan approached Eve in the garden, he confronts her about the tree of knowledge. Eve rehearsed the commandment that God had given to them about this tree saying, "from the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but of the tree that is in the midst of the garden you may not eat from it or touch it lest you die." It is very clear that she understood both the commandment and its consequences. This represents a revealed language structure about certain truths concerning this tree that she could not know any other way. Satan then introduced a new way of thinking about what is true. He portrays this revealed grammar as unreliable and not to be trusted. "You shall not surely die for God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil." The idea obviously appealed to Eve but the force of the temptation was more than just a desire to be like God. This new way of representing truth offered a means by which control could be shifted from God to man.

Eve relies upon an unrevealed method for making decisions. Rather than consulting God and relying upon revelation which, by her own admission she understood, she relies instead upon her five senses operating in this natural world to formulate her epistemological base. She "rationalizes" (a knowledge based thinking process) why it would be acceptable to eat that which had been forbidden. This reveals a distorted ethic in the misappropriation of things that belong to God. She contemplated stealing that which belongs to God and then attempted to justify the rightness of it in her own mind.

Satan’s temptation was two-fold based upon the decision matrix of the woman. This would imply that Satan understood something of the psychology of the woman and he capitalizes on her naiveté. Experientially, Eve knows nothing of Satan, temptation, evil, craftiness, the pain of disobedience, or death. The serpent creates doubt in her mind about the motives, character, and purpose of God. He accused God of lying and planted the seed of evil ambition. "God knows that in the day you eat of it you will become like God." The reality was that they were already like God. He creates suspicion in the mind of the woman by implying that God is deliberately withholding something from her that is both desirable and beneficial. It implies that, 1) man is just as good as God is, 2) God is unjust in this prohibition, and 3) man has the right to be God. This is a challenge of God’s sovereignty. At the heart of this, is the question of who has the right to be in control? Who has the right to decide what is best for man? A worldly epistemology says that man has the wisdom to decide what is best for him. A revealed epistemology says that God not only knows what is best he is also able to supply it.

Satan then makes an appeal to the empirical and aesthetic observation. Eve saw that the fruit was good for food and was pleasing to the eye. He also appeals to the subjective impulse; it was desirable to make one wise, which the text defines as knowing good from evil. Where then was the sin? The sin was allowing human logic and rationalization to overrule the revelation of God. This is a propensity of humanly derived standards of ethics. The decision was made by appealing to an uninspired epistemology rather than to the words of the Lord. Human logic and rationalization are not valid determinants for deciding what is right or wrong. God said, "Don’t touch it." This alone determines what is right or wrong.
 
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I do! The tree of life is knowledge and understanding.

John 17:1-3

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee

2* As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him

3* And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Those verses you quoted talks about a righteous man. One who produces fruit by the Spirit grounded in love, of which THERE IS NO LAW.

Knowledge of good and evil comes through the LAW.

Life and death is decided by the tongues of every man.
God is compared as a tree of life but was not the tree of life in the garden

The tree in the garden was a literal tree so the other trees the tree of knowledge of good and evil opened Adam and Eve eyes and was a literal tree
 
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I think the trees in the midst of the garden were tangible fruit bearing trees. They also are symbolic for law and grace(Christ's blood). I see them also represented in the candlestick and as the 2 olive trees that dispense the oil that keeps the lamps lit in churches (think virgins waiting for the groom) Had Adam and Eve continued eating from the tree of life (abiding in Christ) and never eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (law) the history of the world would have been different as different can be. But I guess they didn't appreciate what they had, and had no contrast. How does one appreciate light when having never experienced dark? They did not understand consequences.
Are you saying Adam and Eve ate out of the lieral tree of life at some point in time ?
 
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Students of the bible will agree that Christ is the tree of life. He is now at the right hand of the Father.

Is not God also as a Tree of Life and also His Holy Spirit
Jesus speaking

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midstof the paradise of God.


Revelation 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.