For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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KohenMatt

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Simply put, does keeping the Sabbath have any effect on your salvation or standing before God?
 
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2Thewaters

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Um
How does obedience to God affect YOUR salvation?
 
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2Thewaters

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Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.


2 Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Cor 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2 Cor 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.


Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
 
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Let's keep this for Sabbath keepers only to see where we all stand.

But I think we all know your vote already. ;)
10-4. I did want to add an explanation of my vote, but I'll defer.
 
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2Thewaters

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#7
Reading the Bible from front to Back
We see the people who Obey God live and the disobecience Die.
always

Eve did not believe God thought the apple was important,

sunday keepers did not believe Sabbath is important, hence their life without the power to overcome obesity smoking anger and other tempers.
 

zone

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Reading the Bible from front to Back
We see the people who Obey God live and the disobecience Die.
always

Eve did not believe God thought the apple was important,

sunday keepers did not believe Sabbath is important, hence their life without the power to overcome obesity smoking anger and other tempers.
are you going to click your vote?
i'm interested in your answer.
 
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2Thewaters

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do you know where sunday came from?
Hint;
it is not in the Bible...

First I will put up any sunday Bible texts that tell us to worship on sunday.


...


Ok that was fast.


So tell me again why you keep sunday when God told us specifically to REMEMBER the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH because he will meet with you on that day?
 
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2Thewaters

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So tell me, why don't you follow your Bibles?
Just interested...
 
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overcomer2

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Um
How does obedience to God affect YOUR salvation?
[SUP]Hebrews5:8 [/SUP]Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 

zone

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Jun 13, 2010
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do you know where sunday came from?
Hint;
it is not in the Bible...

First I will put up any sunday Bible texts that tell us to worship on sunday.


...


Ok that was fast.


So tell me again why you keep sunday when God told us specifically to REMEMBER the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH because he will meet with you on that day?
ya mean there's no FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK IN GOD'S PLAN?

mkay.

Pentecost happened on the first day of the week! The Church was born on the first day of the week! That doesn't make Sunday the Sabbath, it just tells you that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath is not emphasized.

When a day is mentioned in connection with the appearances of the risen Lord Jesus, it is always the first day of the week. Look at the extremely important events that occurred in the life of the first followers of Christ on the first day of the week.

1). Jesus startled them by appearing to them on the first day (John 20:19).

2). Jesus received worship from Thomas (John 20:27-28).

3). Sunday evening Jesus took bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to His disciples evidently like He had in instituting the communion meal (Luke 22:19) and their "eyes were opened and they recognized Him" (Luke 24:31).

4). Sunday evening Jesus blessed His disciples twice saying "Peace be with you" (John 20:20; 26).

5). That same Sunday evening Jesus "...breathed on them and said, 'receive the Holy Spirit'" John 20:22.

6). On Sunday evening Jesus gave His disciples the ecclesiastical authority to proclaim forgiveness to those who believe in Him through the Gospel (John 20:23).

The Sabbath & Sunday
 

zone

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well, now i know where john832 stands.
put me back on ignore john832.
nothing more to say.
 

zone

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Thanks, it's just as helpful for me as it is for non-Sabbath keepers.
it will be interesting to see how many actually do vote - (if) at all.
God Bless
 

john832

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May 31, 2013
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Simply put, does keeping the Sabbath have any effect on your salvation or standing before God?
Well, sure it does...

WE are sealed by the Holy Spirit...

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

And who is given the Holy Spirit?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Those who OBEY God...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Somehow, this one never gets addressed by the Grace only crowd. Jesus Christ plainly says to enter into life, "Keep the Commandments".

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now there are some who will tell you that Commandments keeping is a horrible thing, but John, the Apostle Jesus loved says different.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

What is the Commandment we have heard from the beginning? That Love is walking in His Commandments.

The church does...

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

As does everyone given the right to the Tree of Life...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

But Paul says... Well let's see what Paul really says...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid...

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

What needs to be done away with? The Law? Again, Rom 7:14, last part...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Notice this does not say free from the Law, it says free from sin.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Two things to notice...

1) We mortify the deeds of the body, not the Law

2) We do this through the Spirit and who receives the Spirit?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Does obedience matter?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Boss seems to think so.
 
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jahsoul

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Wow @ John...ok, which Sabbath do you follow, because reading the Gospel, apparently there were 2 trains of thoughts about the Sabbath going on.
 
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2Thewaters

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I would like to mention this.

Christians are not to vote

Did you know that?

We have a theocracy and God is wise and knows all, we are simply to follow him.
That is if you are in his kingdom...

There is a story of a certain king in Israel Jeroboam, who took over his father solomons throne and he was deciding to tax his people. He asked the wise old prime minister if he should raise taxes and the old guys said
no, it would cause propblems

then he asked the young new student ministers and they said
Tax away, you are king you can do what you want!

and he liked that,
and he raised taxes and the country split...

Young people going on feelings is how the enemy takes over churches and countries alike... celebration movement of twenty years ago was the enemies movement to take over all the churches with irreverent disobedient leaders

now it doesn't matter what we do you are all saved!

well, what when you are wrong?

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. (obedience to the word of God)
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:(disobedience doing what you want)
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 
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2Thewaters

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Luke 18:8 Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Faoith (belief i what the word of God says)