The Gods of Moses and the Elders of the Children of Israel.

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GOD reveals to his selected few who teach the others.

Exod.24
[1] And he (the LORD #1) said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD (#2),
you, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu
and seventy (70) of the Elders of Israel; and worship afar off.
[2] And Moses alone shall come near the LORD
(#2) but they shall not come nigh;

neither shall the people go up with him.
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[9] Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu >> (whom Jesus called by their name)
and seventy (70) of the Elders of Israel:
[10]
And they SAW (Jesus) the God of (the nation) Israel: (#1)

and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone,
and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
[11] And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he (Jesus) laid not his hand:

they ALSO SAW GOD (#2) and ate and drank


Exod.34
[5] The LORD (#1) descended in the cloud, and stood there with Moses,
And (the LORD Jesus #1) proclaimed the name (the character) of the LORD >> (the Father #2)
[6] and the LORD (#1) passed by before Moses and proclaimed:

(#2) The LORD, The LORD God
merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
[7] Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,

and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children,
and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
[8] And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
[9] And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O LORD (Jesus),

let my Lord (Jesus), I pray thee, go among us;
for it is a stiff necked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin,
and take us for you inheritance >> (from the Father)

Jesus did the same proclaiming/ declaring of GOD’s name to his chosen Apostles.

John.17
[5] and now, O Father, (A)
glorify me (B) the Son of man), with (next to) your own self
with the glory that I had (side by side) with you, before the world (of Israel) was >> (created)
[6]
I have manifested (proclaimed like I did for Moses) your name

to the men (the Apostles) whom you gave to me (as inheritance) out of the world >> (the nation of Israel)
they were yours, and you gave them to me (as my heritage)
and they have kept (remembered and obeyed) your (effective) Word.
[7] Now they (the Apostles) have known,

that all things whatever you have given (to) me (the Mighty God of Israel) are of/ from you.
[8] For I (the LORD) have given to the Apostles the Words (the Doctrine)

that you (the Lord GOD) gave to me
and they have received them and they have known surely/ CONFIDENTLY
that I (the LORD from heaven) came out from you (the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob)
and they have believed that you (the Father) send me (the Son= the Mighty God)
[9] I (the God of Israel) pray for the Apostles.

I do not pray for the world (the nation of Israel) but for the Apostles whom you have given to me
for they are yours >> (joint ownership).
[10] And all of my (people) are your people and your people are my people

and I am glorified in (?) them (the Apostles).
[11] and now I am no longer in the world (in the nation of Israel)

but these are in the world (among the children of Israel)
and I (your Right Hand) come to you.
Holy Father, through your own name,
keep those (Apostles) whom you have given to me >> (as inheritance),
so that they may be one, as WE (the Almighty and the Lord GOD Almighty) are.
[12] While I was (physically) with them in the (Israelite) world, I have kept them in your name:

Those (Apostles) whom you gave to me, (the Mighty One of Israel) I have kept >> (securely preserved)
and none of them is lost but the son of perdition >> (the unfaithful betrayer because of money)
so that the Scripture (of the Prophets) might be fulfilled.
[13] And now come I (your Arm) to you; and I say these things in the world,

so that they (the Apostles) might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
[14] I (your mouth) have given (to) them your (effective, dividing) Word.

and the world (the nation of Israel) have hated them >> (the chosen),
because they are not of the world (the common stock)
even as I (your beloved, dignified, Son) am not of the world.
[15] I do not pray that you should take them out of the world >> (to heaven)

but that you should keep (protect) them from the evil >>l (outsiders of the flock).
[16] They are not of the world (of Judaism) even as I am not of the world (of Judaism)
[17] Sanctify (separate) them (from the other Israelites) through your truth,

Your word is truth.
[18] Similarly like you have (chosen, equipped and) sent me into the world (of Israel)

even so I have also (chosen, equipped and) sent them (the 11 Apostles) into the world (of Israel).
[19]and for their sakes I sanctify (separate) myself >> (from the other Israelites),

so that they also might be sanctified (by knowledge) through the truth >> (from you the GOD of truth)
[20] Neither do I pray I for these (Apostles) alone,

but for the converts also who shall
believe on me (the God of Israel, the only Savior)
through the Apostles’ Word >> (and not circumvent them)
[21] So that they all (the Apostles = Zion and converts) may be one

as you, Father are in (?) me, and I in (in) you,
that they also may be one in (?) US (BOTH)
so that the world (the outsides of Israel) may believe that you have sent me >> (the Christ).
[22] and the glory (the magnificence) that you gave to me (the LORD Isa.60:1)

I have given to (shared with) them
so that they may be one,
even (precisely) similarly WE (the LORD, the God of Israel (B) and (A) the Lord GOD) are one
[23] I in (?) them and you in (?) me,

so that they may be made perfect (perfectly joined) in one
and that the world (of Israel) may know
that you (the GOD of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob have sent me (down from heaven),
and that you have loved them (the Apostles, yours sons)
to the same degree that you have loved me >> (your beloved only begotten Son).
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[26] And I have declared unto them (the Apostles) your name (like I did to Moses),
and I will declare it so that the (same degree of) love with which you (the Highest) have loved me
may (also) be in them (in their hearts) and I in (?) them.

Moses knew about BOTH but his Ministry was limited to the teaching of One.
Jesus got the prominence of breaking the News about the Father.

Num.14
[17] And now, I beseech you (LORD #1), let the power of my Lord (GOD # 2) be great,
according as you (LORD #1) have spoken saying:
[18] (that) The LORD (the Father #2) is longsuffering>> (patient during provocation by evil deeds)

and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression,
and by no means clearing the (premeditated) guilty,
visiting the iniquity of the (evil) fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation.
[19] I beseech you pardon, the iniquity of this people (of the nation of Israel)

according to the greatness of your mercy
and as you (the express person of the Father) have forgiven this people (of Israel)
from (our exodus from) Egypt even until now.
[20] and the LORD (Jesus) said:

I have pardoned according to your word >> (petition/ request):
[21] But as truly as I (the LORD # 1) live:

all of the of the (nations of the) earth shall be filled with
the glory (the jubilation) of/ for the LORD (the Father, #2 the Lord GOD).

Jubilation:

2 Cor.1
[3] Blessed be the GOD (A),
even the Father of (B) our (Israelite) LORD Jesus Christ >> (the previous God of Israel)
the Father of mercies and the GOD of all comfort
[4] who comforts us (Apostles)

during all of our tribulation >> (from our unbelieving and violent prone brothers),
so that we may be able to comfort them (our obedient brothers) who are in any trouble,
by the comfort wherewith we (the anointed Apostles) ourselves are comforted of/ by GOD.

Eph.1
[3] Blessed be the (A) GOD and the Father of our (Israelite) LORD Jesus Christ,
who has blessed us (Apostles and converts)
with all spiritual blessings in heavenly (high) places in Christ (the Mighty to save one of Israel)

1 Pet.1
[3] Blessed be the GOD (A) and Father
of (B) our LORD Jesus Christ (the Mighty God),
who according to his abundant (very liberal) mercy
has begotten (gathered) us (Apostles and converts) again >> (by his Arm and his Hand Jesus)
to a lively (energizing) hope (of resurrection and immortality),
by the (his) resurrection of Jesus Christ (the LORD, the God of Israel) from the dead.

Finally for the TRUE BROTHERHOOD and the People who can handle the TRUTH.

Rev.7
[9] After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude (of people), whom no man could number,
from all nations, and kindred, and people, and tongues,
stood before the throne (GOD), and before the Lamb (the Mighty God),
clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
[10] and they cried with a loud voice saying:

Salvation (eternal preservation) unto (A) our GOD (our Father) who sits upon the throne
and to (B) the Lamb (the Mighty God).

2 Cor.13
[8] For we (Apostles) can do nothing against (anti) the truth (from GOD and his beloved Christ),
but for (pro) the truth.

John.18
[37] Pilate therefore said to him
Are you a king then?
Jesus answered: You say that I am a king.
To this (the following) end (objective) I was born
and for this (following) reason I came (from heaven) into the world>> (the nation of Israel)
that I should bear witness to the truth.
Every one (Jew or Gentile) who is of the truth hears my voice >> (the voice of GOD)

Truth is a builder of the people of the Truth
and conversely is a destroyer of the dwelling place of the people of falsehood and error.

 
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GRACE and PEACE from TWO = BOTH

2 Pet.1
[2] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of GOD (1),
and (2) of Jesus our LORD (God if Israel),

Our gratitude to TWO... :)

We have two eyes and we see. Thanks be to BOTH...

The Philosophers see One.

They are trapped because they followed their Fathers who killed the true Christians
and took control over the Church.

GOD is not asleep, longsuffering...
 
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doulos

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GOD reveals to his selected few who teach the others.
I thought the Scriptues tell us to study and shew ourselves approved, rightly dividing the word of truth. Scripture does not tell us to blindly follow one whose teaching contradicts Scripture.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

God has not changed, His message is still delivered through the Scriptures. May I suggest you do a study on the man of sin. A good study grounded in Scripture on the subject can be found HERE <click
 
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I thought the Scriptues tell us to study and shew ourselves approved, rightly dividing the word of truth. Scripture does not tell us to blindly follow one whose teaching contradicts Scripture.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

God has not changed, His message is still delivered through the Scriptures. May I suggest you do a study on the man of sin. A good study grounded in Scripture on the subject can be found HERE <click
Stuck with the unbelievers.
 
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Tintin

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GOD reveals to his selected few who teach the others.

Truth is a builder of the people of the Truth
and conversely is a destroyer of the dwelling place of the people of falsehood and error.
Very true. It's a real pity you're not proclaiming God's Truth then, isn't it?
 
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Very true. It's a real pity you're not proclaiming God's Truth then, isn't it?
But tintin is all about motorcycles and ccs but I will dust him in my 1975 dodge dart.
 
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Eccel.12
[1] Remember now thy Creator (S) << (Ask your Theologian)
in the days of thy youth,
while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say,
I have no pleasure in them;

Gen.1
[26] And GOD (the Father) said (to His eternal Son),
Let us (BOTH creators) make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God (Jesus the Son) created man in his own image,
in the (similar) image of GOD (the Father) he (the Son) created man
male and female he (the Son) created them.
 
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GRACE and PEACE from TWO = BOTH

2 Pet.1
[2] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of GOD (1),
and (2) of Jesus our LORD (God if Israel),

Our gratitude to TWO... :)

We have two eyes and we see. Thanks be to BOTH...

The Philosophers see One.

They are trapped because they followed their Fathers who killed the true Christians
and took control over the Church.

GOD is not asleep, longsuffering...
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REVELATION from the Spirit is needed KNOW the TWO.

Luke.10
[21] In that hour Jesus rejoiced (was ecstatic) in spirit, and said,
I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
that thou hast HIDDEN these matters the wise and prudent, >>(in their own eyes)
and hast revealed them unto (the obedient) babes:
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
[22] All things are delivered (given) to (#2) me >> (the God of Israel)
of/ by my Father (# 1):
and no man knows who the Son (the LORD, the God of Israel) is, but the Father (the Lord GOD);
and who the Father (#1) is but the Son (#2),
and he (ANYONE) to whom the Son (the illuminator) will reveals him.
 
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doulos

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Stuck with the unbelievers.
Yes you are, just as all wolves in sheeps clothing who teach that those who follow Christ's instructions are false prophets!
The darkness has to go for the ILLUMINATION to shine forth.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word in my name, >>(Like triune Baptism)

that I have not commanded him to speak
, or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
even that prophet shall die.
Go boldly BOTH are with us
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Who wants us to ignore the teachings of Christ? Is it Christ or is it satan? I know the answer do you?
 
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Deut.19
[16] If a false witness rise up against any man,
to testify against him what is wrong (evil)
[17] then both of the men, between whom the controversy exists,

shall stand before the LORD (Jesus), before the priests and the judges, who shall be in those days;
[18] And the judges shall make diligent inquisition:

and, behold, if the witness is a false witness, and has testified falsely against his brother;
[19] Then you shall do to him what he wanted to have done to his brother:

so you shall put away (eradicate) evil (people and the evil way) from among you.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word, in my name
that I have not commanded him to speak,
or who shall speak in the name of other gods, even that (Trinitarian) prophet shall die.
 
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doulos

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Deut.19
[16] If a false witness rise up against any man,
to testify against him what is wrong (evil)
[17] then both of the men, between whom the controversy exists,

shall stand before the LORD (Jesus), before the priests and the judges, who shall be in those days;
[18] And the judges shall make diligent inquisition:

and, behold, if the witness is a false witness, and has testified falsely against his brother;
[19] Then you shall do to him what he wanted to have done to his brother:

so you shall put away (eradicate) evil (people and the evil way) from among you.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word, in my name
that I have not commanded him to speak,
or who shall speak in the name of other gods, even that (Trinitarian) prophet shall die.
Notice once again how this wolf in sheeps clothing is inserting words (twisting) in Scripture to justify claiming those who use Scripture to correct his teachings that go contrary to Christ's instructions are bearing false witness against him!

The darkness has to go for the ILLUMINATION to shine forth.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word in my name, >> (Like triune Baptism)
that I have not commanded him to speak
, or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
even that prophet shall die.
Go boldly BOTH are with us
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Notice how this false teacher has twisted Scripture to falsely accuse those who follows Christs instructions concerning baptism false prophets. Sadly he doesn't stop there he then twists Scripture and falsely implies those who try to correct him are bearing false witness.
2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Are those who expose the fallacies bearing false witness against wordsponge or is wordsponge bearing false witness against those who does as Christ instructed?

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Indeed we live in perilous times!
 

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Deut.19
[16] If a false witness rise up against any man,
to testify against him what is wrong (evil)
[17] then both of the men, between whom the controversy exists,

shall stand before the LORD (Jesus), before the priests and the judges, who shall be in those days;
[18] And the judges shall make diligent inquisition:

and, behold, if the witness is a false witness, and has testified falsely against his brother;
[19] Then you shall do to him what he wanted to have done to his brother:

so you shall put away (eradicate) evil (people and the evil way) from among you.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word, in my name
that I have not commanded him to speak,
or who shall speak in the name of other gods, even that (Trinitarian) prophet shall die.

*gasp*

I see what you did there.

Consider yourself reported.

This is nonsense!
 
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You know, i have heard many teachers and preachers. I have heard all the teachings about each scripture and they are almost all different. I became a christian about a year in a half ago, back then i knew not the many divisions in the church i only knew that i didn't want to learn who God is or what the deep things of or truth of God is from man. So i went directly to God to teach me, i stayed away from chruch or teachers for quite a while in order to get to know him and the truth from the ultimate teacher. in doing so I learned quite a bit from him but i began to notice that many Christians who claim to believe the truth or know it seem to only want to debate in order to prove their belief the true gospel or true Truth and say to others who believe different they do not know or teach the truth, or say others are living in delusion.Here is what i think, i do not think any one of us truly know the truth no matter how great a Christian we are. I believe God allows this so that we will always be willing to be taught and learn. But how many are willing to learn? who can say their belief or doctrine may be flawed or wrong? it is the willingness to be broken and to learn knowing we may not be right that will lead you to the truth
 
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John.14
[1] Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in (#1) GOD (the Lord GOD Almighty),
believe also in (#2) me. (the Mighty God of Israel)