SHOW DOWN AT HIGH NOON LAW VERSES THE CROSS!!!

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Kerry

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Lets look at Samuel, Early in the book the ark was taken and stuck in some shed. Yet Samuel built altars not according to law and sacrificed animals upon them and God accepted it. Why, because of their faith not in the sacrifice but in the redeemer to come and thats what that sacrifice represented. If the symbol was that powerful, then how much more the real thing.

The ark did not return until David brought it back. A man of faith (not law) restored the presence of God who dwelled between the Cherubims back to Israel.
 
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Kerry

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Throw your high priced theology out. A murderer and adulterer brought the presence of God back to his people. HMMMM!!
 

loveme1

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for future reference, when I say the cross, I mean Christ crucified and buried and risen from the dead. God bless you. The stick has nothing to do with what I mean, only that cursed is a man who hangs from a tree and cursed because our sin was imputed to Him. Amen.
The Messiah Gave Testimony and within His Testimony He Teaches us to Keep the Commandments even to the least.

My belief is that the Sabbath day is to be Kept because the Messiah taught this.

We are taught that those who Love the Messiah keep His Commandments.

Heavenly Father shows mercy to those that love and Keep His Commandments.

The law of Moses does not justify but one should not confuse Keeping the Messiah's words which give us work with the law of Moses.

Through the Messiah comes forgiveness of sin, all that believe are justified by Him.

Is it not by Hearing and Keeping His word that we believe and declare all things concerning Him?




Grace and Truth.
 

loveme1

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Throw your high priced theology out. A murderer and adulterer brought the presence of God back to his people. HMMMM!!

It is the Good Shepherd Son of GOD who guides and leads us home, what came to pass, came to pass for our Messiah Yahshua to come in to the World.
 
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Kerry

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The Messiah Gave Testimony and within His Testimony He Teaches us to Keep the Commandments even to the least.

My belief is that the Sabbath day is to be Kept because the Messiah taught this.

We are taught that those who Love the Messiah keep His Commandments.

Heavenly Father shows mercy to those that love and Keep His Commandments.

The law of Moses does not justify but one should not confuse Keeping the Messiah's words which give us work with the law of Moses.

Through the Messiah comes forgiveness of sin, all that believe are justified by Him.

Is it not by Hearing and Keeping His word that we believe and declare all things concerning Him?




Grace and Truth.
Is there anyone who can truly keep God's moral code? Is it a licenses to sin. God forbid. Yes, we try our best to keep the moral code of God, Yet we cannot. If you can then you have no need of the cross and can stand before God own your own. God in His foreknowledge saw that no man could keep it and He loved us so much that He Himself came and died a brutal death and raised because He did not sin that we might be saved. Also as pertains to sanctification, if our faith is in His work and not ours, The Holy Spirit works in us to produce good fruit. It's when we take are faith off the cross and place it in what we are doing, we fail. Because God will accept nothing but faith in the cross. not law, you can observe sabbath all your life but without the cross you are doomed to hell.
 

loveme1

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Is there anyone who can truly keep God's moral code? Is it a licenses to sin. God forbid. Yes, we try our best to keep the moral code of God, Yet we cannot. If you can then you have no need of the cross and can stand before God own your own. God in His foreknowledge saw that no man could keep it and He loved us so much that He Himself came and died a brutal death and raised because He did not sin that we might be saved. Also as pertains to sanctification, if our faith is in His work and not ours, The Holy Spirit works in us to produce good fruit. It's when we take are faith off the cross and place it in what we are doing, we fail. Because God will accept nothing but faith in the cross. not law, you can observe sabbath all your life but without the cross you are doomed to hell.
I agree somewhat with you here, consider all the Jewish people who religiously Keep Sabbath... without Faith in the Messiah they will not be born again, they will not be cleaned inwardly. :)
 

loveme1

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I agree somewhat with you here, consider all the Jewish people who religiously Keep Sabbath... without Faith in the Messiah they will not be born again, they will not be cleaned inwardly. :)
Not serving God in Spirit and Truth.
 
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Kerry

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Israel will accept God when they see the one whom they have pierced. however, Gods promise to Abraham is still in effect. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. Obama, please read that.
 

loveme1

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Those who keep the law of Moses circumcise their outward.

Those who Keep the Testimony of the Messiah are circumcised inwardly of heart.

Peace and Blessings.
 

loveme1

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Israel will accept God when they see the one whom they have pierced. however, Gods promise to Abraham is still in effect. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. Obama, please read that.
John 19

31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, andthat they might be taken away. 32Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
The promise to Abraham is the Messiah Yahshua unless i am misunderstanding your post.
 
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Kerry

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Now we must remove our foreskins to be saved. WOW. maybe the foreskin of your heart. Or is that the removal of flesh and faith placed in the cross.
 

loveme1

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Now we must remove our foreskins to be saved. WOW. maybe the foreskin of your heart. Or is that the removal of flesh and faith placed in the cross.
:confused:

Where have i stated a person must be circumcised according to the law to be saved?
 
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Kerry

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Maybe I missed that one or my thought was on another thread. I am not perfect but praise God that Jesus is.
 
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Kerry

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Thought I would paste this here as it is relevant,

When Adam sinned did He tell Him to keep Sabbath? Did He say keep this feast? did He say observe 40 days of purpose? Tell me Jack, what did He do?
 
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The_highwayman

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for future reference, when I say the cross, I mean Christ crucified and buried and risen from the dead. God bless you. The stick has nothing to do with what I mean, only that cursed is a man who hangs from a tree and cursed because our sin was imputed to Him. Amen.

This is not what you have been saying all along until now. Then say you have faith in Jesus Christ, not the cross.

There is a fella down in Baton Rouge LA , who has blinded millions with his insistence that it was the physical Cross that you must have faith in and not Jesus Christ and quite honestly kerry, you sound just like them, until you made this clarification.

Those folks go far as saying you never look past the cross to the resurrection, because it all happened at the cross, they completely refute the part of believing in your hear that God raised Jesus from the dead, because their gospel is Christ and him crucified and they state all the time he is still at the cross providing his atonement, sanctification and salvation.

Jesus rose again and is seated at the right hand, not still hanging on the tree and the tree provides nothing for you.
 

homwardbound

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The law is good it was given by God. Yet, Paul said when I looked the law I died. The only way to attempt to keep the law by faith in the cross. That is my message, the message of the cross. Paul said I preach nothing but Christ and Him crucified. At Athens he tried to match wits with the educated and he himself taught at the university of Taurus and at the feet of Gamaliel. He tried to match wits with the students of Plato and Homer. There is no mention of a church established there. Yet He went to Corinth and said I have determined to know nothing among save Christ and Him crucified and a great church was established. You put two and two together. Preach the wisdom of men or Christ and Him crucified?
It is through the death of Christ in the flesh that we are to die to self in the flesh daily so that we might see this new life in the Spirit and walk as Christ walked
Philippians 3:10-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

The doorway to new life here and now is to die to self with Christ at the cross in my mind, so that it can be renewed by Father
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

This is just what I see and seeing has freed me from stress, knowing by Christ I am made perfect to Father. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so amazing that I did nothing and he did it all, and flesh just can't comprehend this


 

homwardbound

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The Cross is not where it stops, the cross is where it begins....are saying Jesus is still on the cross?

Yeppers you Sound Like Donnie and Jimmy alright....
The full Gospel includes the resurrected Christ where the new life in Father is given to us that believe in the Spirit to walk as Christ walked too simple for flesh to comprehend, it would rather make void this free gift and work at keeping forgiven, and at doing good works to get rewards. I know what Christ said about this do you?
 

homwardbound

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The law may be impossible to keep but it is very precious still. back in the Ot it condemned but now thanks to Jesus if looked at in the right perspective it is a wonderful Gift. but why not mention the cross? It should be mentioned a lot more because of what Jesus did correct?
This mentioning of the cross, should it not include the resurrected Christ, justified in the Spirit?
Question:
What did Christ's death do for this world? Are we forgiven by this death of Christ?
So if we are forgiven, reconciled, redeemed, made right to Father through Son. how much more do you think we will be saved by Christ resurrected life in the Spirit?
So we are not saved by the death we are saved by the life right? Now how is this saved today by flesh ours or Spirit Father's?
 

homwardbound

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Christ was the chief focus, for it is only through Christ that man is saved. But He also emphasized declaring the "whole purpose of God." (Acts 20:27) Taught the Word exhaustively. One of the many values of the Epistles themselves is perspective on the whole of Scripture. Of course Christ dominates, but there is more value attached to the scripture than what one hears during an Evangelistic crusade.
And is why it is important for everyone to read it for themselves, asking and trusting God to reveal the truth to us each, as to what is the difference before the cross and after the cross. God knows who each of us are and will reveal to each accordingly as God sees fit, not me, you or anyone else.
So cry to God for God's Mercy through the Son Christ at the cross, and praying God reveals this to you
 

homwardbound

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Can someone tell me what the "cross" refers to as in this thread?
Salvation from God the Father through Jesus the Son our propitiation for all sin's
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.