Dispensation, Dispensational, Dispensationalism, Dispensationalist

[LovePink]

These are not dirty words and they certainly won't bite you.

I think it is a benefit to examine them, so here goes.

Dictionary terms;

What is a dispensation?

dispensation (1) ordering, administration, management; [specific] : a divine ordering and administration of worldly affairs (2) : a system of principles, promises, and rules divinely ordained and administered (3) a period of history during which a particular divine revelation has predominated in the affairs of mankind.


What is Dispensationalism?

dispensationalism: adherence to or advocacy of a system of interpreting history in terms of a series of God's dispensations.


What is a Dispensationalist?

A dispensationalist is someone who believes in the concept of dispensationalism: the idea that God deals with man differently at differemt times. ie God never changes, but his dealings with man down through time does, has and will.

For example;

Adam Gn 1:29
Noah Gn 9:3
Moses Lev 11:2-4
Paul 1 Tim 4:4-5

Man's dietary instructions show distictions in God's instructions & dealings with man down through time. We all see this and understand it, we are all dispensational whether we realize it for what it is or not. Really not that wacky when we look at it plainly.

 

[LovePink]

It is not enough to be scriptural. We must be dispensational.

 

[starfield]

Dispensationalism is a false theology that has greatly influenced many denominations despite the fact it does not date back to the early church. It was invented in the mid-1800s by John Nelson Darby and popularised by C.I. Scofield. The basic tenet of this doctrine is that Christ came to the earth with the intention of establishing an earthly kingdom with the Jews but they rejected Him causing the kingdom to be postponed and the church plan B to be established. Thus dispensationalists believe God has two distinct people He is juggling with - Israel and the church. He is now focusing on the church (consisting of both Jews and Gentiles) and after the rapture of the church He will resume His dealings with Israel in a 7-year tribulation and promised earthly millennial kingdom. Scripture teaches that God has one people, the church which is true Israel of God, those in Christ are Abraham's true seed and heirs according to the promise. They believe that the tribulation will provide a second chance for salvation for those who missed the rapture apart from the work of the Holy Spirit since He will leave with the church at the rapture - a concept that is foreign to scripture.

Dispensationalists believe in two second comings of Christ (one for the rapture of the church and the other, after the tribulation to establish a millennial kingdom) while the scripture actually teaches one second coming of Christ. Lastly, they claim to be rightly dividing the word of truth as per 2 Timothy 2:15 when they are in fact doing the opposite. With terrible exegesis and wishful thinking they attempt to prove their theology. In short, dispensationalism is a system of confusion and is not Christianity.

 

[Kerry]

We are in the dispensation of grace. Like it or not. What dispensation was Abraham in. What ruled all dispensations? Answer, Faith

 

[Kerry]

Did Adam have law? Did Noah have law? Did Abraham have law? Did Jacob have law? Did God deal with them differently? Yes. We that dispensations. Does God deal with you as He did Moses, I think Not why because of different dispensations, that's why.

 

[Kerry]

But, with Adam came the sacrifice of an animal to cover his nakedness. Sin can be atoned for by a blood sacrifice. That's what Jesus did on the cross.

 

[nathan3]

here is a verse to study Ephesians 1:10

 

[2Thewaters]

Dispensation means stewardship in the origianl letters
It was chosen by pagan monks as dispensation because they believed falsely that they were in charge of Gods power and could give it to whomever they wanted and they believed falsely they had power to create God himself into a wafer

We need to come out of pagan religion..Babylon.

Grace has always been dispensed since Adam and Eve and there is no change in administration as the pagan monks believed
God changes not.
Jesus is the dispenser of grace to Jews and greeks alike
He said that in Isaiah.
No new dispensation
and Jesus never changes
He went to the gentiles when he was alive nothing new here.
the Jews refused
stubborn

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Moses had egyptian gentiles also
no problem


he created the Sabbath, he kept it and he told us to keep it and on that Sabbath day
if we BARAK (kneel and adore him"
he will fill us and dispense grace to every gentile of Jew

thats what it is all about

Gods grace does not cha nge with the season and his layout of the church doesnt change
he is the priest
we are the sheep
any church with priests are not following the word of God.

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" Ephesians 4:11


No priests

notice

no priests

 

[konroh]

Clearly everyone agrees that there is a major change between the Mosaic law and what Paul describes as, "You are not under law, you are under grace." This is a clear idea in dispensational thinking and in fact, most theological understandings of the Bible. This is a major tenet of dispensational thinking, to take the Bible in its natural sense of language being literally understood. We would all have points of agreement to Dispensational thinking. Agree that there is a difference between Old and New testaments? Check

 

[ChosenbyHim]

For example;

Adam Gn 1:29
Noah Gn 9:3
Moses Lev 11:2-4
Paul 1 Tim 4:4-5

Man's dietary instructions show distictions in God's instructions & dealings with man down through time. We all see this and understand it, we are all dispensational whether we realize it for what it is or not. Really not that wacky when we look at it plainly.

Very good point. Every Christian to some degree is Dispensational. Whether they want to admit or not. Some Christians are just more honest about it. Every Christian I have met understands that we do not need to give a goat or a lamb to a priest for a sin and a burnt offering. Also, I do not know of any Christian right now who is building an ark of Gopher wood to place people and animals on.

Therefore again; every Christian is dispensational to some degree. It's just that not all Christians are honest about it. But if more were honest, they would simply admit that they are dispensational.

And so it is rather silly for a Christian to willingly be ignorant about the Dispensational Distinctions that are mentioned in the Holy Scriptures. And it is also silly and ridiculous for a Christian to pretend that they are not Dispensational when they actually are to some extent and degree.

So thank you for pointing that out Pink1321.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Dispensationalism is a false theology that has greatly influenced many denominations despite the fact it does not date back to the early church. It was invented in the mid-1800s by John Nelson Darby and popularised by C.I. Scofield. The basic tenet of this doctrine is that Christ came to the earth with the intention of establishing an earthly kingdom with the Jews but they rejected Him causing the kingdom to be postponed and the church plan B to be established. Thus dispensationalists believe God has two distinct people He is juggling with - Israel and the church. He is now focusing on the church (consisting of both Jews and Gentiles) and after the rapture of the church He will resume His dealings with Israel in a 7-year tribulation and promised earthly millennial kingdom. Scripture teaches that God has one people, the church which is true Israel of God, those in Christ are Abraham's true seed and heirs according to the promise. They believe that the tribulation will provide a second chance for salvation for those who missed the rapture apart from the work of the Holy Spirit since He will leave with the church at the rapture - a concept that is foreign to scripture.

Dispensationalists believe in two second comings of Christ (one for the rapture of the church and the other, after the tribulation to establish a millennial kingdom) while the scripture actually teaches one second coming of Christ. Lastly, they claim to be rightly dividing the word of truth as per 2 Timothy 2:15 when they are in fact doing the opposite. With terrible exegesis and wishful thinking they attempt to prove their theology. In short, dispensationalism is a system of confusion and is not Christianity.

Wrong. Dispensationalism has been taught as early as the Second Century and most likely even earlier than that.

Dispensational teaching is Bible Doctrine.

Israel is not the Church and the Church is not Israel.

We (The Church) have not replaced Israel.

There will be a Rapture of the Body of Christ.

There will be a 7 year Tribilation known as the time of Jacob's trouble (Jer. 30) where God will once again deal with Israel as a people and nation.

And after the time of Jacob's trouble, Christ will come back to the Earth to judge the Gentile Nations (Matt. 25:31-46) and to also set up His Millennial Reign and Jewish Kingdom (Rev. 20:1-6).


So you need to stop disobeying 2 Tim. 2:15.

And start rightly dividing the word of truth. And be honest enough to acknowledge that there are Dispensational Distinctions in the Scriptures.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Excellent Dispensational Chart and Timeline for Church or Home:

[video=youtube;HcWi_y3QV7Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcWi_y3QV7Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]​

 

[Gjolll]

Agree that there is a difference between Old and New testaments? Check

The dispensational distinction is true, but it cannot be extended further than its natural meaning. Dispensationalists are heretics because they extend the idea of the dispensation into an unbiblical territory, so much so that they actually deny the dispensation of Christ by continuing to maintain that ancestry remains the most important feature of God's dealings with men. This is clearly untrue. Dispensationalists need to perceive the correct modalities, so they do not take the dispensational distinction further than is warranted.

Modus (obsolete) "The arrangement of, or mode of expressing, the terms of a contract or conveyance."

Jesus said, the "Scriptures testify about me." Jhn 5:39 Jesus preached only what he found in the OT. Even the OT contract was always based on faith. Psa 14:1. Psa 53:1. and on grace Psa 100:5 Psa 103:17.

This shows us that the OT and NT are part of the same application but with evolving modal differentiation. The importance faith and its application, and the prioritization of the commandments of the law in terms of the most spiritual being the most important, are the same. Only the means of reconciliation to God have changed. Jesus Christ is the reconciliation rather than the "works of the law." The dispensation has changed but the modalities evolve.

One cannot simply pretend that dispensational distinctions are what matter.

The OT is like a Modal Window in a GUI application. It is part of the application, but the application cannot work until we have examined, understood, and filled in the dialogue presented by the OT GUI Window. The OT teaches us about faith, sin, etc. If we abandon the OT, as some churches do, we abandon Christ.

 

[konroh]

Let's make a distinction between dispensational thinking, which all Christians have to some degree (that there have been changes in God's program) and Dispensational theology, which while it may encompass Pre-millenial Pre-trib theory is not exclusive to just this. There are Dispensationalists who encompass many Rapture theories and are on various spectrums when it comes to Israel/Church distinctions.

No one should argue against dispensational thinking, though some would disagree against Dispensational Theology, it's how far one takes the spectrum of continuity/discontinuity.

 

[zone]

It is not enough to be scriptural. We must be dispensational.

This is a truth plainly set forth in Scripture by a few verses. What were the requirements for an apostle of Jesus' earthly ministry (Rm 15:8), according to Scripture, Christ and the Holy Spirit?

So, we should see & understand, God in keeping with His character (Holy, just, righteous & perfect in all His ways), did what when He raised up, converted and separated Saul unto Himself? (Rm 1:1, Gal 1:15)

I want to include a verse, part of the apostle Paul's commission statement, if you will, for consideration in the fact, if something is different- it is not the same.

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

Let the words on the page say what they mean. This shows distiction, right division, for a purpose God is revealing about a change in His dealings with man in time. Read in a King James Version of the bible, pls, so we are sharing in the same words, Eph 2:11-13.

Let me offer one more verse of distinction, for our conversation, study, profit & learning;

"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;" Gal 2:7

Dispensationalism.
okay

CHECK.

Smiling! I am not as savvy as some here when it comes to the format & getting around in this website, pls have patience when directing responses to me, thx.

@ Old Hermit, um, no, no problem with either.

In addition to my original post, according to Scripture, we'll just look at Acts 1, after recently being instructed some 40 days by the risen Lord, speaking of things pertaining to the kingdom of God, Peter stood up to address the replacement of Judas, there are a couple verses, 21 & 22, we can read of some of the requirements to take part in the ministry of the little flock, to the bride of Christ.

There is a reason for the terms, bride of Christ and the one new man. God is not the God of confusion, we all agree I'm sure. Scripture is not meant to be harmonized, but rightly divided, so that we may know some things about who we are in Christ and what God is doing in accordance with our position, calling, vocation, inheritance.

We never read about the new man in the four gospels of Christ's earthly ministry and we certainly never read about a kingdom of priests in Paul's epistles, there is a distinction for a reason, "the mystery of his will" (Eph 1:9). It's about realms & dominions, principalities & powers, a plan of glory. " wisdom which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory."

alright.
so, you are KJV.
i'm guessing Scofield.
Dispensations; Paul called to a different ministry.
and we have distinctions in times God is dealing with men.

"We never read about the new man in the four gospels of Christ's earthly ministry and we certainly never read about a kingdom of priests in Paul's epistles, there is a distinction for a reason, "the mystery of his will" (Eph 1:9)."

okay

still there, LovePink ?

Dispensationalism is a fraud.
recognizable as foreign by practically everyone (as we saw immediately in the Paul thread), even before it is articulated as Dispensationalism.
imposed on the Bible. all eisegesis.

LovePink, which extra-scriptural materials are you using - "It is not enough to be scriptural. We must be dispensational"?

 

[zone]

Dispensationalism is a false theology that has greatly influenced many denominations despite the fact it does not date back to the early church. It was invented in the mid-1800s by John Nelson Darby and popularised by C.I. Scofield. The basic tenet of this doctrine is that Christ came to the earth with the intention of establishing an earthly kingdom with the Jews but they rejected Him causing the kingdom to be postponed and the church plan B to be established. Thus dispensationalists believe God has two distinct people He is juggling with - Israel and the church. He is now focusing on the church (consisting of both Jews and Gentiles) and after the rapture of the church He will resume His dealings with Israel in a 7-year tribulation and promised earthly millennial kingdom. Scripture teaches that God has one people, the church which is true Israel of God, those in Christ are Abraham's true seed and heirs according to the promise. They believe that the tribulation will provide a second chance for salvation for those who missed the rapture apart from the work of the Holy Spirit since He will leave with the church at the rapture - a concept that is foreign to scripture.

Dispensationalists believe in two second comings of Christ (one for the rapture of the church and the other, after the tribulation to establish a millennial kingdom) while the scripture actually teaches one second coming of Christ. Lastly, they claim to be rightly dividing the word of truth as per 2 Timothy 2:15 when they are in fact doing the opposite. With terrible exegesis and wishful thinking they attempt to prove their theology.

In short, dispensationalism is a system of confusion and is not Christianity.

absolutely agree.

 

[zone]

Very good point. Every Christian to some degree is Dispensational. Whether they want to admit or not. Some Christians are just more honest about it. Every Christian I have met understands that we do not need to give a goat or a lamb to a priest for a sin and a burnt offering. Also, I do not know of any Christian right now who is building an ark of Gopher wood to place people and animals on.

Therefore again; every Christian is dispensational to some degree. It's just that not all Christians are honest about it. But if more were honest, they would simply admit that they are dispensational.

And so it is rather silly for a Christian to willingly be ignorant about the Dispensational Distinctions that are mentioned in the Holy Scriptures. And it is also silly and ridiculous for a Christian to pretend that they are not Dispensational when they actually are to some extent and degree.

So thank you for pointing that out Pink1321.

dispensationalists have destroyed the word.
rendered it a weapon against what the Bible actually says.

this sort of justifying of the corruption of the word is inexcusable, Chosen.

 

[zone]

Wrong. Dispensationalism has been taught as early as the Second Century and most likely even earlier than that.

Dr. Gerstner easily dismisses the contention of Dispensationalist to have a historical lineage by noting, “There is little point in closely surveying early church history for anticipation of Dispensational proper.” It does not exist...

Dr. John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth
A Book Review by Dr. Stanford E. Murrell, Pastor, Sovereign Grace Baptist Church
http://www.sounddoctrine.net/stanford/Wrongly Dividing.pdf

Dispensational teaching is Bible Doctrine.

Israel is not the Church and the Church is not Israel.

We (The Church) have not replaced Israel.

There will be a Rapture of the Body of Christ.

There will be a 7 year Tribilation known as the time of Jacob's trouble (Jer. 30) where God will once again deal with Israel as a people and nation.

And after the time of Jacob's trouble, Christ will come back to the Earth to judge the Gentile Nations (Matt. 25:31-46) and to also set up His Millennial Reign and Jewish Kingdom (Rev. 20:1-6).

^ the essence of Dispensationalism ^ all false.
contrary to the Gospel.

So you need to stop disobeying 2 Tim. 2:15.
And start rightly dividing the word of truth. And be honest enough to acknowledge that there are Dispensational Distinctions in the Scriptures.

just read the bible and stop relying on the teachings of men; deceiving and being deceived.

 

[starfield]

absolutely agree.

Amen, Zone. God bless you.

Ask dispensationalists to show you just one verse that says the body of Christ will be raptured before tribulation and they will provide rhetorics and emotional responses: “oh, we are not appointed us to wrath therefore we will be whisked to heaven before Jacob’s trouble...blah blah blah". If your doctrine is not in the pages of scripture it’s time to let go of it no matter how comforting it is instead of dogmatically defending it. That’s something I’ve learned in my years of being on this forum.

 

[zone]

Let's make a distinction between dispensational thinking, which all Christians have to some degree (that there have been changes in God's program) and Dispensational theology, which while it may encompass Pre-millenial Pre-trib theory is not exclusive to just this. There are Dispensationalists who encompass many Rapture theories and are on various spectrums when it comes to Israel/Church distinctions.

No one should argue against dispensational thinking, though some would disagree against Dispensational Theology, it's how far one takes the spectrum of continuity/discontinuity.

Note: A “dispensation” is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs. Cf. oikonomos, “a steward,” and oikonomeô, “to be a steward.” (174)

- Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, DISPENSATION