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Hizikyah,
before i was called and baptized into Christ i:
broke every single commandment.
every day. every minute of every day.
ALL OF THEM....ALL - regularly.
totally lost and completely without Christ; without hope and utterly condemned.
....
then....i heard the LAW...and it's pronouncement against me.
then i heard the Gospel. The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
2 Corinthians 5
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
okay?
well i asked - what does that mean?
Romans 1:17
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
wait - shouldn't it say IN THE LAW the righteousness of God is revealed?
because i HEARD THE LAW...i heard what it said...i HEARD the righteousness of God in THE LAW.
and i knew i was done for.
Romans 3:21
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
what?
how can the righteousness of God be known APART FROM HIS OWN LAW?
chóris: separately, separate from
Original Word: χωρίς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: chóris
Phonetic Spelling: (kho-rece')
Short Definition: apart from, without
Definition: apart from, separately from; without.
5565 xōrís (a preposition, also used as an adverb which is probably derived from 5561 /xṓra, "an open or detached space") – properly, apart from, separated ("without"); (figuratively) detached, rendering something invalid or valid.
and how can that RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD (it says OF GOD), which is apart from, separated ("without"); (figuratively) detached, rendering something invalid or valid, be something that is testified to IN THE Law and the Prophets?
1) i have already determined when i heard the Law, that i am done for.
2) now i hear there is some other righteousness of God that is separate from the Law (which i know makes me DONE FOR)
3) i hear this Righteousness of GOD (it says it is HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS) is testified to; in the LAW & the prophets.
4) and it says THAT Righteousness of GOD is IN THE GOSPEL
Romans 1:17
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
well....what does THAT MEAN? faith in the Law? or faith in the Gospel?
OR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
do you set aside the grace of God; revealed in the Gospel; testified to in the Law & The prophets; THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD:
Galatians 2:20
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
do you?
....
what happens when we have died to and through the LAW (which can not save)?
Galatians 2
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
....
so what about that prior life of Lawlessness that i was given the REMEDY FOR?
that Righteousness of God that is found apart from the Law, in the GOSPEL?
what instructions did PAUL (New Testament Paul) give me, this wretched person who came crawling to the GOSPEL having heard the LAW.....having believed GOD - and having THAT counted as righteousness, not my own - the RIGHTEOUSNESS that depends on FAITH?
and having believed, having been baptized into Christ?
what did Paul tell me about God's Law and Holiness and what i now need to do; having believed the good News of His salvation in Jesus Christ the Lord?
Romans 6
13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
.....
now, if you honestly believe (and i am now convinced many of you do), that God says then GO BACK UNDER THE LAW (you had better be CIRCUMCISED), and nullify the Grace of God (HIS Righteousness apart from the Law)....because He is not ABLE to sanctify you and transform you (teaching you to stop sinning and presenting your members for unrighteousness), through the New Covenant by the indwelling of GOD the Holy Spirit....you go right on ahead and accuse people of being LAWLESS....
and i will go on ahead in the doctrine of Christ and His apostles, as one "alive from the dead" continue in Christ's teachings, striving more and more to present my members as instruments of righteousness to God.
why?
you better take another look at this:
Galatians 2
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
..
you have some reckoning to do with Paul (who i know you claim you believe, but it is evident you do not):
Galatians 2
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
if you are living to GOD - you must BE DEAD TO THE LAW...in order to live according to the Spirit, Who is LIVING, and has written the NEW LAW on our hearts....you've been shown over and over what that is...and i'm going to call you out on your favorite cherry-picking.
The Righteousness of God is NOW revealed apart from the Law.
the fact that you don't accept this, means you better be certain you are keeping the WHOLE LAW.
all of it. because you don't want to stand before God and say:
my righteousness comes through the Law,
and Christ died needlessly.
before i was called and baptized into Christ i:
broke every single commandment.
every day. every minute of every day.
ALL OF THEM....ALL - regularly.
totally lost and completely without Christ; without hope and utterly condemned.
....
then....i heard the LAW...and it's pronouncement against me.
then i heard the Gospel. The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
2 Corinthians 5
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
okay?
well i asked - what does that mean?
Romans 1:17
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
wait - shouldn't it say IN THE LAW the righteousness of God is revealed?
because i HEARD THE LAW...i heard what it said...i HEARD the righteousness of God in THE LAW.
and i knew i was done for.
Romans 3:21
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
what?
how can the righteousness of God be known APART FROM HIS OWN LAW?
chóris: separately, separate from
Original Word: χωρίς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: chóris
Phonetic Spelling: (kho-rece')
Short Definition: apart from, without
Definition: apart from, separately from; without.
5565 xōrís (a preposition, also used as an adverb which is probably derived from 5561 /xṓra, "an open or detached space") – properly, apart from, separated ("without"); (figuratively) detached, rendering something invalid or valid.
and how can that RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD (it says OF GOD), which is apart from, separated ("without"); (figuratively) detached, rendering something invalid or valid, be something that is testified to IN THE Law and the Prophets?
1) i have already determined when i heard the Law, that i am done for.
2) now i hear there is some other righteousness of God that is separate from the Law (which i know makes me DONE FOR)
3) i hear this Righteousness of GOD (it says it is HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS) is testified to; in the LAW & the prophets.
4) and it says THAT Righteousness of GOD is IN THE GOSPEL
Romans 1:17
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
well....what does THAT MEAN? faith in the Law? or faith in the Gospel?
OR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
do you set aside the grace of God; revealed in the Gospel; testified to in the Law & The prophets; THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD:
Galatians 2:20
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
do you?
....
what happens when we have died to and through the LAW (which can not save)?
Galatians 2
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
....
so what about that prior life of Lawlessness that i was given the REMEDY FOR?
that Righteousness of God that is found apart from the Law, in the GOSPEL?
what instructions did PAUL (New Testament Paul) give me, this wretched person who came crawling to the GOSPEL having heard the LAW.....having believed GOD - and having THAT counted as righteousness, not my own - the RIGHTEOUSNESS that depends on FAITH?
and having believed, having been baptized into Christ?
what did Paul tell me about God's Law and Holiness and what i now need to do; having believed the good News of His salvation in Jesus Christ the Lord?
Romans 6
13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
.....
now, if you honestly believe (and i am now convinced many of you do), that God says then GO BACK UNDER THE LAW (you had better be CIRCUMCISED), and nullify the Grace of God (HIS Righteousness apart from the Law)....because He is not ABLE to sanctify you and transform you (teaching you to stop sinning and presenting your members for unrighteousness), through the New Covenant by the indwelling of GOD the Holy Spirit....you go right on ahead and accuse people of being LAWLESS....
and i will go on ahead in the doctrine of Christ and His apostles, as one "alive from the dead" continue in Christ's teachings, striving more and more to present my members as instruments of righteousness to God.
why?
you better take another look at this:
Galatians 2
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
..
you have some reckoning to do with Paul (who i know you claim you believe, but it is evident you do not):
Galatians 2
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
if you are living to GOD - you must BE DEAD TO THE LAW...in order to live according to the Spirit, Who is LIVING, and has written the NEW LAW on our hearts....you've been shown over and over what that is...and i'm going to call you out on your favorite cherry-picking.
The Righteousness of God is NOW revealed apart from the Law.
the fact that you don't accept this, means you better be certain you are keeping the WHOLE LAW.
all of it. because you don't want to stand before God and say:
my righteousness comes through the Law,
and Christ died needlessly.
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T
I find several in the WOF movement are out of bounds and do not preach a true Gospel, including those in this video.
I have the same feeling for Justin Peters, who was living a lie, whilst attempting to shed light on the WOF movement.
Baptists hold him as a hero, but he is just as guilty of false teaching, like the ones he attempts to expose. If he was not really saved while he was attacking, then it makes him what exactly?
I have the same feeling for Justin Peters, who was living a lie, whilst attempting to shed light on the WOF movement.
Baptists hold him as a hero, but he is just as guilty of false teaching, like the ones he attempts to expose. If he was not really saved while he was attacking, then it makes him what exactly?
do you think this is Mosaic law?
because you are already guilty of violating it. by NOT doing everything it says to do.
Deuteronomy 27:26
"Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
...
Galatians 3
By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected bya the flesh? 4Did you sufferb so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justifyc the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”d 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirite through faith.
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
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these cheap shots about Antinomianism are sheer ignorance.
"you who practice iniquity"
ergazomai: to work, labor
Transliteration: ergazomai
Short Definition: work
anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity
Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.
458 anomía (from 1 /A "not" and 3551 /nómos, "law") – properly, without law;
...
working at lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin
and you equate this to people who ask you repeatedly to show that the SIGN of the very Covenant that brought DEATH is the SIGN of the New Covenant.
you equate this with people born from above; who pay careful attention to what Jesus Christ COMMANDED in the New Covenant, and delivered for the Christian life, through His Own, who He empowered from On High to bring the message?
go get the sabbath passages in the NT.
because you are already guilty of violating it. by NOT doing everything it says to do.
Deuteronomy 27:26
"Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
...
Galatians 3
By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected bya the flesh? 4Did you sufferb so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justifyc the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”d 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirite through faith.
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
....
these cheap shots about Antinomianism are sheer ignorance.
"you who practice iniquity"
ergazomai: to work, labor
Transliteration: ergazomai
Short Definition: work
anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity
Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.
458 anomía (from 1 /A "not" and 3551 /nómos, "law") – properly, without law;
...
working at lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin
and you equate this to people who ask you repeatedly to show that the SIGN of the very Covenant that brought DEATH is the SIGN of the New Covenant.
you equate this with people born from above; who pay careful attention to what Jesus Christ COMMANDED in the New Covenant, and delivered for the Christian life, through His Own, who He empowered from On High to bring the message?
go get the sabbath passages in the NT.
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Kenneth Hagin and The Spirit of The Serpent. (Word of Faith Movement)
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Kenneth Hagin wrote that God "made us in the same class of being that he is himself," and that the believer is "called Christ" because "that's who we are, we're Christ!"[31] According to Hagin, by being "born again", the believer becomes "as much an incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth".[32] Hagin like Kenyon reasons that that humans are made in God’s image. Since God is spirit, then humans must essentially be spirit as well and ‘in God’s class’,[33][34] and thereby ‘gods’.[33][35]
Word of Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kenneth Hagin and The Spirit of The Serpent. (Word of Faith Movement)
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Kenneth Hagin wrote that God "made us in the same class of being that he is himself," and that the believer is "called Christ" because "that's who we are, we're Christ!"[31] According to Hagin, by being "born again", the believer becomes "as much an incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth".[32] Hagin like Kenyon reasons that that humans are made in God’s image. Since God is spirit, then humans must essentially be spirit as well and ‘in God’s class’,[33][34] and thereby ‘gods’.[33][35]
Word of Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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It's like people are piling on the disabled guy, in order to coddle the word of faith movement, and distract from their damage. Maybe what he presents will help others harmed by the movement.
Some assert he's only doing this because of bitterness about not being healed? Seriously? Maybe he feels for people like himself who get hurt by the movement's extreme errors.
People like him and Joni Earekcson Tada below are probably providing a ministry to the wounded. Instead of seeing it as a help, people are projecting even more pain on those already in pain.
[video=youtube;NI22o5u32z0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI22o5u32z0[/video]
Some assert he's only doing this because of bitterness about not being healed? Seriously? Maybe he feels for people like himself who get hurt by the movement's extreme errors.
People like him and Joni Earekcson Tada below are probably providing a ministry to the wounded. Instead of seeing it as a help, people are projecting even more pain on those already in pain.
[video=youtube;NI22o5u32z0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI22o5u32z0[/video]
I feel for both of them, and completely understand the frustration of being disabled. I too have a disability and am housebound to a certain degree. But, I've been healed of so many things. As a child it was asthma. I can still remember family gathered around my bed praying for my healing. I must of been 3. And was healed. Then burned severely around the age of 6. My grandmother prayed for me right away. No phone in the house, and no car for her to get help. I had no pain from that. Just a small scar from it.
I have a list of healings and a long line of family with great faith. But, our bodies are mortal, not yet immortal. And we will die if the Lord tarries.
Our experiences of not receiving when we think we should, should never annul the fact that God touches His people. And we never attack others faith if one is ill. I've been on that receiving end too.
There are problems in all denominations. If there weren't, we would not be divided. A body divided cannot walk and the picture we present to the world? I would think that grieves Holy Spirit more than anything.
I have a list of healings and a long line of family with great faith. But, our bodies are mortal, not yet immortal. And we will die if the Lord tarries.
Our experiences of not receiving when we think we should, should never annul the fact that God touches His people. And we never attack others faith if one is ill. I've been on that receiving end too.
There are problems in all denominations. If there weren't, we would not be divided. A body divided cannot walk and the picture we present to the world? I would think that grieves Holy Spirit more than anything.
T
No stilly I am not piling on him because he is disabled and I never stated such a lie. You are twisting words to suit your agenda. I am piling on Justin Peters, because he went on an apologetic campaign calling people out for preaching a false doctrine, yet on his own website, claims he was saved at 7, but then guilt and doubts led him to be truly saved again in 2011.
I am piling on peters, because by his own admission he was not saved, while attacking the WOF movement. He said he started his campaigns in 2004, yet came to true salvation in 2011?!?!?
That means Mr. Peters himself , was just as, and possibly even more fraudulent than the false teachers of the WOF movement he is attacking.
Nothing justifies Mr. Peters, he was a self admitted lost man without true salvation, also he own admittance attacking others, which simply means he was a lost man with an axe to grind.
Bitterness is the root of several diseases. Stay in unforgiveness and anger and it will cripple you physically, spiritually and mentally.
Your justification and now table turning seems to be nothing but attempting to cover up Justin Peters testimony, which I posted on this thread. I will say again, the WOF wrongs, don't make Mr. Peters wrong, right.
Comparing Justin Peters to Sister Joni Eareckson Tada, is funny, because Joni has never lied to someone and been a fraud and kept living as a fraud, while soundly attacking others in the Body of Christ and taking love offering while doing it. That makes Mr. Peters equal to the false teachers he is attacking.
The tragedy continues that Baptists will look the other of one of their own as long has he is bashing what they also bash and don't believe in.
I am piling on peters, because by his own admission he was not saved, while attacking the WOF movement. He said he started his campaigns in 2004, yet came to true salvation in 2011?!?!?
That means Mr. Peters himself , was just as, and possibly even more fraudulent than the false teachers of the WOF movement he is attacking.
Nothing justifies Mr. Peters, he was a self admitted lost man without true salvation, also he own admittance attacking others, which simply means he was a lost man with an axe to grind.
Bitterness is the root of several diseases. Stay in unforgiveness and anger and it will cripple you physically, spiritually and mentally.
Your justification and now table turning seems to be nothing but attempting to cover up Justin Peters testimony, which I posted on this thread. I will say again, the WOF wrongs, don't make Mr. Peters wrong, right.
Comparing Justin Peters to Sister Joni Eareckson Tada, is funny, because Joni has never lied to someone and been a fraud and kept living as a fraud, while soundly attacking others in the Body of Christ and taking love offering while doing it. That makes Mr. Peters equal to the false teachers he is attacking.
The tragedy continues that Baptists will look the other of one of their own as long has he is bashing what they also bash and don't believe in.
H
i don't get your point, highwayman
you have a beef with peters because he said he was saved when he was 7 but later realized that he really wasn't saved and needed to get saved?
i thought i was saved as a kid too. but it wasn't until i was an adult that i realized that i had no true understanding of what being saved actually meant.
the wof movement is not a little bit off, they are way off and they don't preach a little bit of the gospel, they are completely void of the gospel. it is disgusting what some of these people preach from the pulpit and what's more disgusting is the amount of people that gobble it up like it's gospel.
i think it may be highly likely that peters thought he was saved and eventually realized that he wasn't. that doesn't make him a fraud, it makes him deceived. just like the rest of us were before we got saved.
you have a beef with peters because he said he was saved when he was 7 but later realized that he really wasn't saved and needed to get saved?
i thought i was saved as a kid too. but it wasn't until i was an adult that i realized that i had no true understanding of what being saved actually meant.
the wof movement is not a little bit off, they are way off and they don't preach a little bit of the gospel, they are completely void of the gospel. it is disgusting what some of these people preach from the pulpit and what's more disgusting is the amount of people that gobble it up like it's gospel.
i think it may be highly likely that peters thought he was saved and eventually realized that he wasn't. that doesn't make him a fraud, it makes him deceived. just like the rest of us were before we got saved.
