Our belief in Yeshua unites us as a nation. But what kind of nation? Part 2 of 3

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Yhvh’s word warns with clarity, teaching how the adversary can slip in dressed as an angel of light.

2 Cor 11:12-15
But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light . Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

Yet we all think ourselves impervious to the treacheries of Satan! I have seen Satan use this very ruse of mimicking an Angel of Light and was directed by my Lord in how I would discern the voice of the Spirit of God. Lord promised that no matter how far from the ‘norm’ His words in my ears seemed, He would always second them in the written Word, as His witness. (The bible is for proving the words we get from Yhvh.)

Prov 1:2-7
To know wisdom and instruction, To discern the sayings of understanding, To receive instruction in wise behavior, Righteousness, justice and equity; To give prudence to the naive, To the youth knowledge and discretion, A wise man will hear and increase in learning, And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel, To understand a proverb and a figure, the words of the wise and their riddles. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge
Definition of discern - transitive and intransitive verb to be able to tell the difference between two or more things
2 Tim 3:15-17
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. NASB

Definition of "inspired" - based on a particular motive or example
Definition of "adequate" - enough = sufficient in quality or quantity to meet a need or qualify for something or just barely enough = just barely sufficient in quality or quantity to meet a need or qualify for something.

As I came into understanding what Lord was teaching me, I could easily see how Satan had blinded the majority of people trying their best to be men of Yhvh. I could also see how man had chosen to ignore much of what the word says in an attempt to cling to his precepts.

Many present day teachings are merely manipulations of the masses by pastors, priests, rabbis, scribes and governors who are entrenched in a business paradigm: limiting their trust in Yhvh to meeting their needs and their desire to control man through the self-righteousness they developed for comfort zones. In blindness we have had those awash in the traditions of man and those who simply do not know the truth and others trapped by their desire to resist change, preaching what they think they know to be the truth.

All this must change as we prepare the way for the return of the Lord. That change begins with the first things you must understand to begin your true walk with Lord God Tazv'ot, our Father Yhvh. The teaching of these firsts have been called for since the beginning of biblical teachings and reaffirmed by the teachings of our Messiah and his disciples. The following verse is something I (as should we all) take very seriously:

Matt 5:19-20
"Whoever then "annuls" one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

(Annuls, or breaks, translates from the Greek word: luo [loo’-o]; a primary verb; 'to loosen'’)

So it is truly said: anyone who loosens even one of the least of Yhvh's commandments will be least in heaven. Yet church leaders for the last 2000 years take away from and add to the words of Yhvh as they please with “question me not” or “you have to understand” or “touch not the anointed of the Lord” arguments to justify themselves.

Church leaders and much of the congregation of today are identical to the Pharisees of yesteryear: teaching devotion to the god of their hearts above devotion to Yhvh (though they deny it). They condemn those who ask for proof; attacking them with a change of subject, making unrelated criticisms, gossiping with others to discredit them, or sending Lord’s messengers away without any open study to test what Lord might be putting forward. Truths may conflict with what they want others to believe or even stagger the traditions they themselves cling to. Thus the Church continues to slay the prophets of Yhvh. Paul exposed the truth being bent (or loosened) by the Torah into a mixture of lies and truths:

Gal 2:19
For it was through letting the Torah speak for itself that I died to it’s traditional legalistic misinterpretation, so that I might live in direct relationship with God. CJB

What was it about the law Paul had to die to? It could not have been the law itself as Yeshua said not one letter of the law would cease. It was the traditional legalistic misinterpretations Paul had to die to, thus allowing Yhvh to speak through His own words without pollution from man. The pulpit is adamant that we are dead to the law itself, creating a tradition that contradicts Yeshua's statement. So ask yourself what other possible determination is there - the Law lives but without the traditional legalistic misinterpretation.
 
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Well lookee here... another person fixated on the law of Moses.
 
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It is clear that yo have not read the 3 parts little less this one to make our statement. Anyone ever tell you to measure twice then cut once. Clearly you have offered a blanket statement without considerations and that is not something that expresses wisdom. Have a nice day.

Well lookee here... another person fixated on the law of Moses.
 
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Thank you for your post. Take heart in that you speak the truth, and there will always be those opposed to truth, just as in Jesus day.

Men knew even before the 10 commandments the law written on their hearts, for why would they have tried to hide when they sinned?

The Law (10 commandments) is good. It is just. It is God's commands to us in how we should live to please Him. Man has twisted and corrupted God's Word since Eden, and will continue till their last breath.

How can we repent, how can we understand forgiveness if not for the law? Don't we know that even before Christ men had hope in forgiveness of God for their sin?

Those who scoff at the law, they are their own gods. They preach if you follow commandments you will surely die! Doesn't that sound like Satan whispering in your ear? It does to me.

Good post brother. Now be prepared for slings and arrows. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom!
 
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What is the Law but the very base lines anyone should in living a moral life. We as followers of Yeshua, should far exceed the limits of the law in our presentation of ourselves as children of Yhvh. Thank you for your hand of friendship. I have a Church full of people wishing me to explain to them how they might live as Yeshua heart their standard, pray for me as there seem to be a few churches wanting to live the heart of God and I am sick and old. Yhvh Bless and keep you and your's

Thank you for your post. Take heart in that you speak the truth, and there will always be those opposed to truth, just as in Jesus day.

Men knew even before the 10 commandments the law written on their hearts, for why would they have tried to hide when they sinned?

The Law (10 commandments) is good. It is just. It is God's commands to us in how we should live to please Him. Man has twisted and corrupted God's Word since Eden, and will continue till their last breath.

How can we repent, how can we understand forgiveness if not for the law? Don't we know that even before Christ men had hope in forgiveness of God for their sin?

Those who scoff at the law, they are their own gods. They preach if you follow commandments you will surely die! Doesn't that sound like Satan whispering in your ear? It does to me.

Good post brother. Now be prepared for slings and arrows. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom!
 
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I will be praying for you that any and all persecution you surely will face will serve to strengthen you in the Lord of Hosts! Your presentations are simple and clear, without confusion, and that shines like a diamond in this place! Be encouraged!

May the Lord strengthen and preserve your health, and that by your words and God's grace many will choose life. Peace and grace~K
 
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What is the Law but the very base lines anyone should in living a moral life. We as followers of Yeshua, should far exceed the limits of the law in our presentation of ourselves as children of Yhvh. Thank you for your hand of friendship. I have a Church full of people wishing me to explain to them how they might live as Yeshua heart their standard, pray for me as there seem to be a few churches wanting to live the heart of God and I am sick and old. Yhvh Bless and keep you and your's
The baseline that we should be ordering our lives around is the words of Christ and his apostles. He is the prophet that GOD said he would send after Moses to declare new things to Israel that they were to follow.
 
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It is clear that yo have not read the 3 parts little less this one to make our statement. Anyone ever tell you to measure twice then cut once. Clearly you have offered a blanket statement without considerations and that is not something that expresses wisdom. Have a nice day.
I have measured the false doctrine of law keeping so many times that all I have to do now is look at certain key words and talking points that people habitually use to know exactly where they are coming from. Your followup comment that the law forms the moral baseline for our walk in Christ is further confirmation that my measurement was right.
 
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When you speak truth and light you will be treated roughly. Take care brother, remember the ignore button, as some will spread lies and try to distract. They show no respect for God's Words, nor to anyone who loves truth. It would be disheartening if not for knowledge that Jesus overcame the world!
 
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You are most certainly mistaken if you think I do not love my Lord and Messiah. But if you did not know, when anyone gave the Lord Yeshua (Jesus) praise, that He was quick to refuse their praises, redirecting their Praise to Yhvh (Almighty God)

The baseline that we should be ordering our lives around is the words of Christ and his apostles. He is the prophet that GOD said he would send after Moses to declare new things to Israel that they were to follow.
 
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Your own words discredit your logic of studies in every way, if you had read all that I wrote you would not make statements that alert other to your missed conceptions. You are entirely wrong.


I have measured the false doctrine of law keeping so many times that all I have to do now is look at certain key words and talking points that people habitually use to know exactly where they are coming from. Your followup comment that the law forms the moral baseline for our walk in Christ is further confirmation that my measurement was right.
 
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The baseline that we should be ordering our lives around is the words of Christ and his apostles. He is the prophet that GOD said he would send after Moses to declare new things to Israel that they were to follow.
You may see Jesus as only a prophet, He is our Creator. Your character is showing, better stick with your programed attacks, lest you be exposed.
 
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You may see Jesus as only a prophet, He is our Creator. Your character is showing, better stick with your programed attacks, lest you be exposed.
I'm just repeating what the scripture says. I know he is GOD. This is what GOD said through Moses about Jesus.

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19​

And this is the prophet who came speaking in GOD's name

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me. If another should come in his own name, you would accept that one! How are you able to believe, if you accept glory from one another, and do not seek the glory which is from the only God? Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father! The one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have put your hope! For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me. But if you do not believe that one’s writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:43-47​

This is why we are to hearken to Jesus and not Moses. Notice that he said that he will require it from those who disobey him. (hint: faith and love)
 
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I'm just repeating what the scripture says. I know he is GOD. This is what GOD said through Moses about Jesus.

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19​


And this is the prophet who came speaking in GOD's name

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me. If another should come in his own name, you would accept that one! How are you able to believe, if you accept glory from one another, and do not seek the glory which is from the only God? Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father! The one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have put your hope! For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me. But if you do not believe that one’s writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:43-47​


This is why we are to hearken to Jesus and not Moses. Notice that he said that he will require it from those who disobey him. (hint: faith and love)
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