We must obey

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Scripture tell us that Christ is the Savior of those that obey.
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

So what about those that don't obey?
What if they claim they are Christians?
What if they have at one time been saved?
What about Eternal Security?
 
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can I answer as J. Osteen?
 
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So what about those that don't obey?
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disobedient children suffer God's wrath.

What if they claim they are Christians?
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"away from me lawless ones, I never knew you"

What if they have at one time been saved?
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Ezekial 18:24
But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

What about Eternal Security?
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Yes, what about it?
 
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watchmen

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I agree with Maddog, and Mahogony, definitely a sign of the end.....lol
 
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watchmen said:
I agree with Maddog, and Mahogony, definitely a sign of the end.....lol
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Haha, Watchmen, come back to the bible study chat room sometime. You might like it. I mean, it can't be any worse than the forums right?
 
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watchmen

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DinoDillinger said:
Haha, Watchmen, come back to the bible study chat room sometime. You might like it. I mean, it can't be any worse than the forums right?
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My computer has no sound, but i will be back soon enough ;)
 
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MahogonySnail said:
disobedient children suffer God's wrath.



"away from me lawless ones, I never knew you"
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I never knew you, they were never saved Jesus never knew them, they were never one of His

Ezekial 18:24
But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

for them he will die - where does this say a spiritual death in the day you eat the fruit you will die, many say because Adam didn't die within the 24 hour day, that this had to be a spiritual death, both it was both a physical and spiritual death, for with the Lord a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day. Adam lived as with the Lord a day

Ge 5:5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


to die does not mean you are sent to hell for everone will die, Lazarus the begger died but was not sent to hell. Moses died but was seen by the Disciples with Jesus.

1co 5:5To deliver such an one unto SATAN for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

this is death but the spirit is saved

Yes, what about it?
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I don't know why eternal security has to be brought into ever almost ever thread. but since it has, if it means when a saved person does not obey God then they lose their salvation, where does the doctrine of Chastisement come in at in your doctrine of sin causes the ultimate spiritual death for a saved person, it says he chastises us not kick us out of the Family

Heb 12:8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.Heb 12:9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

But if you don't want to have enough Faith In God and the works of Jesus Christ to save you and keep you saved, then that is you but as far as me and my house, we will trust the Lord for our salvation.

Ro 4:16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be BY GRACE; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Praise the Lord, let all Praise the Lord, for we are sure He is able to keep His promises
 
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Just be carefull that we are not judging others by whether it looks like they obey. The pharises and saducees looked like they obeyed more then most and Christ called them vipers.
 
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Thaddeus, eternal separation from God would be the outcome if chastisement doesn't work. Remember what Jesus taught, the unprofitable servant was cast out into darkness. If you deserve a light whipping, you get a light one. Heavy, you get a heavy one. If you are so wicked that you deserve hellfire, that's where you go. They suffer the same fate as nonbelievers. What did Jesus teach his followers? That you can go to hell with two hands when you should have cut one off and your whole body would be saved. And whoever hates his brother is in danger of hell fire (NOT "LOSING REWARDS"). Whoever does not abide in Christ is withered and then thrown into the fire. Jesus was speaking to his disciples here too, there were no seperate rules for them that they could hate their brother but stil be saved. Christ also taught that if we don't forgive others God cannot forgive us (and if God doesnt forgive you, you aren't going to heaven). I hope you follow Christ, and pay attention to His teachings, because you can't be following Christ as a disciple if you ignore His teachings.
 
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yes the Bible also says that in james that he who stumbles in but one part of the law is guilty of breaking it all,you arent sinless so quit saying you are.
 
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You completely disregard the effects of the transformation by salvation and make salvation a works based goal.Ephesians 2:8-9 and I reallly dont care how you twist that to fit your works based salvation.The lies arent working on me and I shall not be moved for I know whom I have put my trust in
 
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God bless you brother
 
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We either want to obey Christ , and in the end receive eternal life for a faithful life lived, or you don't. There's no middle ground.
 
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One last question that goes out to both sides of this silly discussion,why are you planning on falling?You clearly state in all arguments what is the bear minimum a christian must do in your opinion to earn salvation which is nothing under living a perfect life.You forget that it is the Holy Spirit inside you that moves you forward to fulfill all of what Jesus has instructed us to do yet your theology puts most , if not all of the responsibility of the person of whom it dwellls making it out to a works based salavation.Is following Christ easy?no its not but it is possible because of the Holy Spirit and everything you describe as a work based salvation is not attainable by yourself which unfortunately for a lot of people who think this way it turns out to be.
 
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in reply to your previous comment we either know Christ or we dont and the fruits we bear will show the maturity of our relationship with Him
 
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surely we can agree on this, the fruits we bear as believers are a pretty good indicator of our walk with the Lord
 
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MightyLionOfJuda said:
You completely disregard the effects of the transformation by salvation and make salvation a works based goal.Ephesians 2:8-9 and I reallly dont care how you twist that to fit your works based salvation.The lies arent working on me and I shall not be moved for I know whom I have put my trust in
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Why does the idea of obedience to Christ offend you?
 
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watchmen said:
I haven't seen anyone claim to be sinless.
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then if after we have known Christ, then we sin we lose our salvation then there will be no one that will ever be able to keep their salvation except the perfect ones, so you say that you are saved then you are saying you are perfect or you are lost. you can't have it both ways so which one is it are you perfect and on your way to heaven , or have you lost your salvation as ye preached that you do when you sin or not obey God!!!!!!!! you say that you are not saying that you are perfect but yet you say if we sin or disobey God then we lose our salvation just listen to the no hope gospel that you preach that no one can go in On the works that Jesus Christ did for us that we must work it out ourselves>
 
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