3 Things Impossible for Man

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There are 3 things that are impossible for man;

1. lose salvation ~ why? Because man is not the author of salvation and has no power to impute God's salvation to himself, therefore he has no power to nullify his own salvation when it was imputed to him by grace when he first believed. It is also impossible to nullify salvation that was never imputed. Failing the grace of God for the believer in Heb 12:15, is when he fails to reach the goal and falls short of continuing in grace. He becomes attracted and pulled away by a stronghold and a root of bitterness springs up. Though he fail grace, he can not repudiate that grace and God will make him stand in that grace either here in this life or when he stands before God / Rom 5:2, 14:4, 1Pt 5:12. It is only the natural man that believes that salvation can be lost because he can not discern the things of God.

2. commit an unforgivable or unpardonable sin ~ why? Because blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is when a person attributes evil to the work or fruit of the Holy Spirit, and that is an act of evil and not sin and it is not even unbelief. Jesus Christ shed His blood for sin and not for evil. Man needs to be cleansed from sin but he needs to be delivered from evil. Sin and blashemy is possible and forgiven against the Son, but sin is never used against the Holy Spirit, only blasphemy is used and that is unforgivable because it is evil and not sin / Mt 12:31-36.

3. use grace as a license to sin (antinomianism) ~ why? Because God is the God of ALL grace and He does not give grace to man to live or continue in sin , but when man does sin, God will give man grace to be restored and stop living in sin. Grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and not to live in sin / Titus 2:11,12. The term 'God forbid' in Rom 6:2 is a participle that means, 'away with the thought' ~ God does not permit it nor does He permit it through His grace. The 'b' part of Rom 6:2 qualifies what God forbids.

Rom 5:19-21 'For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.'

Rom 6:1,2 'What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?'

* Isn't it also interesting that Rom 5:19 speaks of how through the obedience of Christ many are made righteous. It doesn't say through our obedience we are made righteous but through the obedience of Christ. We believe in His obedience to the Father and we are made righteous. Should I having been made righteous, think that I can maintain, what God has made me to be, through my own obedience? I think not!
 
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I like this thread, Praise The Lord, thank you Shad
 
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I'm confused with No.2, I thought anything evil was against God, and anything against God is sin.
 
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By pointing out what is impossible to man is only to point out what is possible to God.

Luke 18:27
But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”

I agree man can not lose salvation; but only you can know for yourself if you are eternally secure or not.

It's not impossible to commit unforgivable sins, unless you are a universalist and believe everyone goes to heaven.
Or..
Those who reject Christ die in their sins. (How can they die in their forgiven sins?)



I like your thread though, nice man :).
 
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2....., only blasphemy is used and that is unforgivable because it is evil and not sin.....
Seeing that no one wants to help me understand my previous post, I've read and re-read No.2 over a few times and still no clarity....I now am confused a bit further by your above statement. You say (and others agree as well as a pastor) that blasphemy is unforgivable because it is evil, but clearly Mat 12:31 says differently:

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

am I not seeing the picture or what?
 
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Seeing that no one wants to help me understand my previous post, I've read and re-read No.2 over a few times and still no clarity....I now am confused a bit further by your above statement. You say (and others agree as well as a pastor) that blasphemy is unforgivable because it is evil, but clearly Mat 12:31 says differently:

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

am I not seeing the picture or what?
I'll will try to clarify this for you. All manner of sin and blasphemy against the Son of God shall be forgiven of men, BUT the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven of men. There is no mention of sin, in this passage, against the Holy Spirit like there is against the Son. So blasphemy against the Son can be forgiven of men because it falls under sin and the blood of Christ paid for all sin. However, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (slanderously calling the work and fruit of the Holy Spirit a work of the devil as from an unclean spirit) is not forgiven of men because it falls under evil which is different from sin. God forgives sin but does not forgive evil. We are cleansed from sin but have to be delivered from evil.

Example: If I blaspheme the Son, I would slander Him by saying things like; He was just a man and what he did on the cross did nothing for me or anybody. Or I could say that He was not the Son of God or who He claimed to be and that he was not perfect and He was human and probably sinned just like you and me. You could believe and tell others that all those stories about Him were just made up and not really true. Those things fall under the sin of unbelief and blasphemy against the Son and they can be forgiven of men.

If I took that one step further and began to say that Christ was used of the devil to heal people and perform miracles and that he had an unclean spirit when He healed on the Sabbath. He deceived and manipulated people into believing His miracles were of God when they were of the devil. Those blasphemies would be evil and against the Holy Spirit because Jesus did these miracles and works through the Holy Spirit and I would have attributed them as a work of the devil through an unclean spirit. This kind of blasphemy is evil and is never forgiven of men and puts them in danger of eternal ****ation. Man must be delivered from this kind of evil as well as forgiven and cleansed of his sins.
 
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But surely blasphemy is sin, besides if one blasphemes against the Holy Spirit they will never be forgiven (according to The Word)...so even if they are delivered from this evil they will still not be forgiven, which just does not make sense. Now I would understand this to be that if one was to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, that that person would not be capable of even acknowledging their sins or who Jesus Christ really is.
 
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But surely blasphemy is sin, besides if one blasphemes against the Holy Spirit they will never be forgiven (according to The Word)...so even if they are delivered from this evil they will still not be forgiven, which just does not make sense. Now I would understand this to be that if one was to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, that that person would not be capable of even acknowledging their sins or who Jesus Christ really is.
Answer this question. Why is blasphemy against the Son forgiven of men and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit not forgiven of men? If both blasphemies are sin, why is one forgiven and the other not? Your answer can't be, because the word says so, even though that is true. You have to find an answer that explains why the two kinds of blasphemies are different in the eyes of God. If they were not different then both would be forgiven of men or both would not be forgiven of men. Might the issue be who is being blasphemed and what is being said of the one being blasphemed? Think about those things.
 
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There are 3 things that are impossible for man

To say somethign is impossible for man is to say that man is infallible, do you think we are God?

The correct thing to say would be that all these things are possible for man, but by God's grace we will not do that.


Points 1 to 3 are loosely based on scripture but unfortunately lack the necessary depth and contextual support.

The point is that God does not have favorites or make rules for one people and other rules for another, and God is no respector of persons, and what Christ said to the Pharisees about the danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is equally true for the disciples with him.
 
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To say somethign is impossible for man is to say that man is infallible, do you think we are God?

The correct thing to say would be that all these things are possible for man, but by God's grace we will not do that.


Points 1 to 3 are loosely based on scripture but unfortunately lack the necessary depth and contextual support.

The point is that God does not have favorites or make rules for one people and other rules for another, and God is no respector of persons, and what Christ said to the Pharisees about the danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is equally true for the disciples with him.

ok good point but we all have forgotten that God has promised that all Israel will be saved and part of Israel rejected Christ and God said that they would be saved, they were cut off but not for their down fall but that the wild olive branch could be grafted in. so with all this talk about God won't treat one better that He did the other, If Israel rejected Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah. and God did not send them to hell , but rather promised that He could save them What kind of sin do we have to do to get God to send us to hell .

Ro 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 
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Thaddeus thats a good point.

Ro 11:26 speaks of the Jews living at the time, and in the future, it basically means that when the Jews see the Gentiles being saved and converted to Christ this will also cause the Jews to convert.

I don't believe that "all Israel" means, every single Israelite who lived since Adam.

I do think that those who did not make it to the promised land because of their sin, received their punishment in the body, but I do think they would also receive punishment in their soul. At judgement day books will be opened and everyone will be judged by the good or bad that they have done.

God did not really treat anyone better than another. Because even Moses wasn't allowed into the promised land, although his sin was not as severe as those who committed idolatary, and died in the desert.

In Hebrews I think it is, Paul uses this example of entering into God's rest, to contrast between belief and disbelief.

In that way, I believe the only sin which a person can commit to go to hell is to not trust in Christ for salvation which also implies that we need to repent of all mortal sin.

We can't really discuss whether the old testament people went to hell or not because they didn't have such a concept of hell as we have today. But I do believe that when they are judged in the last day books will be opened and their fate will be determined at judgement day.
 
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Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called."
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
 
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So you are saying that we are eternally secure if we accept Jesus?
 
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(#1 I'd like to add first we must BECOME a sheep.. One would argue we are already "lost sheep" ie. Christ said "I have come for the lost sheep of the house of Israel"... But we must become these sheep, by being born again .. A new creation in Christ)

2 Co 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

So.... My question is... Can Jesus' sheep ever perish? (According to John 10:28)

John 10:28
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
 
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Definition Christ I think you're confusnig lost sheep of the house of Israel with Gentiles. I don't consider myself a lost sheep of the house of israel because i'm a gentile, so not really a lost sheep, but I guess a wild sheep that has been tamed. We could argue that the gentiles who are saved are somehow genetically related to the first Israelite tribes coming through the trojans via the Aztecs and Britons or something but thats cup of ruins favorite not mine. But, we can't read too much into the sheep thing. I'm a sheep, you're a sheep, Obama's a sheep , who cares we all need saving and God said he desires all to come to repentance.
 
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Definition Christ I think you're confusnig lost sheep of the house of Israel with Gentiles. I don't consider myself a lost sheep of the house of israel because i'm a gentile, so not really a lost sheep, but I guess a wild sheep that has been tamed. We could argue that the gentiles who are saved are somehow genetically related to the first Israelite tribes coming through the trojans via the Aztecs and Britons or something but thats cup of ruins favorite not mine. But, we can't read too much into the sheep thing. I'm a sheep, you're a sheep, Obama's a sheep , who cares we all need saving and God said he desires all to come to repentance.
Okay so we are all sheep but are we all Jesus' sheep? And can Jesus' sheep perish?
 
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Okay so we are all sheep but are we all Jesus' sheep? And can Jesus' sheep perish?
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Acts 18:9
Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

Acts 18:10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Oh yea he knows who his sheep are. Why would he mention sheep and goats if he didn't know who the sheep were?
 
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John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Acts 18:9
Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

Acts 18:10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Oh yea he knows who his sheep are. Why would he mention sheep and goats if he didn't know who the sheep were?
I agree with you 100%.. I am just saying.. Jesus' sheep will never perish just as Jesus said (John 10:28).
 
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