At the very most, how many churches have it right?

[phil112]

I am a firm believer that there will be christians come from every nook and cranny on that day, but as a BODY, how many churches are right?
I believe, after diligently seeking, the KJV to be the best version. Of the thousands of religions no two are exactly the same. Each has their own little take, twist, acceptance, or rejection, of parts of the bible. My bible says there is only one way, that truth never changes.

let God be true, but every man a liar

That being said, there can only be, AT MOST, one church that has it right. And from my experience I doubt that even one follows Christ as He would have us to.

I have come to this forum seeking like minded folks to fellowship with. I hope this isn't an air ball.
One of the easiest ways to see how close a church is, is to look at the parking lot. If it is full, keep looking. My bible talks about a great falling away, not an increase in membership.

I don't understand why christians cling to old testament law when Christ ushered in the new covenant specifically for me.
I see so many people that are drinking milk from a baby bottle when they should be chewing on a succulent steak.
At any rate, hopefully you will come to know a bit more about me, and I, you. I do enjoy discussing God and His never changing word.

'Til next time..........

 

[LovePink]

To the title of your topic about religious denominationalism, none, no not one.

And as for this, " My bible talks about a great falling away"- so does mine, it started a long time ago, Paul said to Timothy "all of Asia has turned away". Look at 2 Tim 3:13-14 "but evil men and seducers shall wax worse... continue thou in the things which thou hast learned" and 4:2-5 " Preach the word... make full proof of thy ministry."

 

[T_Laurich]

To the title of your topic about religious denominationalism, none, no not one.

While I see why you say that, I have to ask the question... Which one has it most correct...

For you are coming to the old elephant theory... Where a man grabs a hold of the elephants legs and says the elephant is a big strong tree... Another grabs its ears and says the elephant is a long curtain... The third grabs its trunk and says the elephant is a big long snake... And you say they are all wrong... But the only way to know they are all wrong is to see the full elephant yourself...

So which denomination is the most correct? which is the lightest shade of grey?

 

[phil112]

While I see why you say that, I have to ask the question... Which one has it most correct...

For you are coming to the old elephant theory... Where a man grabs a hold of the elephants legs and says the elephant is a big strong tree... Another grabs its ears and says the elephant is a long curtain... The third grabs its trunk and says the elephant is a big long snake... And you say they are all wrong... But the only way to know they are all wrong is to see the full elephant yourself...

So which denomination is the most correct? which is the lightest shade of grey?

If I may, I think that a poor analogy. We are exhorted to have the mind of Christ. To be like minded, and if we all understand the word as God intends, we will all agree with one another and Christ.
Unlike the men in your parable, we are not blind. We should all see the same thing, the same way.

John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

It is a progression. A road we travel, and we may be at different markers on that road, but we reach maturity in Christ we will be as one.

Hebrews 5:14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

[Karraster]

mmm steak...

 

[Brother_Don]

Ephesians 5:26-27, That He might sanctify and clean it with washing of water by the word. that He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or ant such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish... i think Christ Jesus is washing His true church now getting it ready.

 

[weakness]

The scripture says there is only one church. Even to think of denominations as the church is gone to far all ready. Paul warned ,one of Paul, one of Apollos,one of Cepheus , and even one of Christ.A non-profit tax exception does not make a church.Paul often said ,the church that is in their house ,or the church at Phillipi etc.But he did not mean more than one church. One body One god and father of all ,one faith ,one baptism.Our minds are programmed even in the way we speak of the church,and we don't even think about it. that we are speaking a lie of Satan. it has become common speech. But we can stop if we really understand what the church is. We say we are going to church on Sunday, really another lie, we are the church, separately and as we gather. we cant go to church if we are the church. Just some thing to think about. think about all the ways it messes with our knowledge ,our witness, How many people think of the church as a building . They are being deceived about the gospel,about them being Christ body, being Gods adopted children, What a lie.

 

[T_Laurich]

If I may, I think that a poor analogy. We are exhorted to have the mind of Christ. To be like minded, and if we all understand the word as God intends, we will all agree with one another and Christ.
Unlike the men in your parable, we are not blind. We should all see the same thing, the same way.

It is a progression. A road we travel, and we may be at different markers on that road, but we reach maturity in Christ we will be as one.

No offence but I do not think you understand what I am saying...

 

[phil112]

No offence but I do not think you understand what I am saying...

That could be, and if so, I apologize.

 

[notuptome]

The church is comprised of individual believers. Many of them are truly regenerated by the Holy Spirit and are saved, sealed and set for eternity. As groups of believers no single church is going to be without inconsistent believers within it's own group. There are for example borne again believers within the Catholic church just as there are pretenders within the most ardent independent bible church.

Be a witness for Christ. Tell others how you got saved and why they must be saved or they will perish. Get them into the best church you can that they may be discipled and go forth to tell others just like you. Don't worry over the color of the carpets. Just make certain the gospel is taught and souls are being drawn to Christ. You cannot herd cats and setting impossible standards accomplishes nothing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Yet]

The problem is how we do 'church'. As long as we do not allow Christ to be Head in our gatherings this will always 'quench the Spirit'.
The turning point was at the end of the first century. One, Ignatius of Antioch took the earlier attempts of the enemy to establish the clerical/ laity paradigm and ran with it. History will bare this out that this was the genius stroke of satan to shut down the body of Christ concerning her gifts. Once a thriving, alive body with every member participation, it is now being assigned seating with a roll of duct tape to tape all mouths shut while one man rattles on with a 40 min. diatribe every week?
In a word, the body of Christ has mouth cuffed and Jesus made to stand outside the door knocking making impotent the believers.

 

[chubbena]

The ones with parking lot full are usually the ones teach the last 27 books or less.
The first 39 books - who says they are old testament? The writers of the last 27 books never said that. In fact, all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. In fact, the scripture in the context is the first 39 books.
Question is , how many have it right?

 

[adventist14]

I'm new to this forum but I believe that the name that I've chosen should speak for itself in terms of my view of the Bible. I've read the comments posted thus far and I have no problem saying that the Adventist church is God's last day church. The former Pope Benedict made a similar assessment of the Catholic Church. However, I do agree with the position that there are many in the churches that are not going to be saved especially in the Adventist church. I firmly believe that there are other sheep in other churches who will be saved because they will come out of those churches.

 

[notuptome]

I'm new to this forum but I believe that the name that I've chosen should speak for itself in terms of my view of the Bible. I've read the comments posted thus far and I have no problem saying that the Adventist church is God's last day church. The former Pope Benedict made a similar assessment of the Catholic Church. However, I do agree with the position that there are many in the churches that are not going to be saved especially in the Adventist church. I firmly believe that there are other sheep in other churches who will be saved because they will come out of those churches.

Your logic is flawed. the church does not save anybody. The catholics believe the church can save them but it is not biblical. Only Jesus Christ can save a sinner from his sin. These are in the fold of the True Shepherd. By grace through faith. No other door but Christ Himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lecrae]

Instead of denomination bashing and church bashing, we should look to the word of God to see what it says. We are all apart of one body; the body of believers. Only the body of believers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 12:12-25). Every religion, every denomination thinks they're right. Who other than God is to say I'm wrong? Or that you're wrong?

Also, do you have extensive background in the greek/hebrew language? Because if you did, I highly doubt you'd praise the KJV as highly as you do now.

 

[Historicist]

I wish more evangelicals would take a serious look at Matthew 7:21-23 and why Jesus will say in that day, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Most teachers, because they are anti-nomian, do not like to admit that "iniquity," i.e., lawlessness will be the reason for this rejection by Jesus ("for sin is the transgression of the law" [1 John 3:4]). Sin is rampant in most churches because seminaries and evangelical leaders are teaching a false gospel, one which would have us believe that we need not use the Law of the Lord as our moral compass. True repentance requires a reasonable degree of obedience to "the law," to that which defines sin, i.e., iniquity/lawlessness.


Historicist

 

[adventist14]

Your logic is flawed. the church does not save anybody. The catholics believe the church can save them but it is not biblical. Only Jesus Christ can save a sinner from his sin. These are in the fold of the True Shepherd. By grace through faith. No other door but Christ Himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I completely agree that only by believing in Christ can one be saved. My logic is not flawed it is biblical because the text does lie Roger. John 10:16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd."

 

[LovePink]

So which denomination is the most correct? which is the lightest shade of grey?

Strikes me as an oddly phrased question and I love that you used an elephant, for a personal reason. When I became a saved person and set down my beliefs, not reject, but set them down and approached God in my heart & by His word for self examination, wanting His truth and to understand, to see. I had this thing that was currently before me, so big, massive, I felt so small & vulnerable, it was an elephant, it was all I could see. As I relied, trusted and waited on God to help me, as I waited for His truth & understanding, the elephant was being pulled away, becoming smaller. I don't believe in self suppression, I never have. I did not understand or see self righteousness or what working in the flesh was, before I got saved. Anyway, long story short, the elephant was like the sin we might see- that elephant got so small, it was actually part of a circus. The problem of sin, evil & wickedness is bigger than we can fathom, but not bigger than God. We need to trust God, believe God. How do we do the will of God in our lives, we find out what God is doing and we do that! It starts with understanding our identity in Christ, which starts with believing the gospel of our salvation, so we can become instruments of righteousness, qualified.

... um, what was the question, smiling, oh yeah churches of Christian denominationalism... may be a necessary evil, imo. There is no lighter shade of grey when it comes to things of darkness, because the bible says this of satan, (his systems & kingdom included) "there is no light in him", so, I look at his one world government system of man's religion, here I am now encompassing all the religions of the world, I look at them all as there is not truth, because it is part of a lie. Christian fellowship & meeting together to share in the love of God is wonderful, this can be done in many ways to the glory of God, it is happening here, and in my home, my community, anywhere I go I can share & share in the gospel of God's love & grace. That is the work and will of God through His ambassadors.

Ambassadors do not assimilate, we are citizens of heaven on Earth really. This takes time to understand as the new creature builds that house of doctrine into the inner man, by the help & teaching of the Holy Spirit throught the personal study of God's word, after a pattern, using the right blue prints for our doctrine. God is a builder, we are His husbandry, His workmanship, we are God's building. The mystery of godliness is this "God was manifest in the flesh", this is what we are putting on display in the dispensation of the grace of God "Christ in you." The new creature that is being formed, conformed, is to an image for a purpose. Religion does not understand this rightly, the cannot, therefore you will not learn the things of God by the theology & wisdom of men. They have not the knowledge of God, nor access to it.


17*Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

 

[RedTent]

I am a firm believer that there will be christians come from every nook and cranny on that day, but as a BODY, how many churches are right?
I believe, after diligently seeking, the KJV to be the best version. Of the thousands of religions no two are exactly the same. Each has their own little take, twist, acceptance, or rejection, of parts of the bible. My bible says there is only one way, that truth never changes.

That being said, there can only be, AT MOST, one church that has it right. And from my experience I doubt that even one follows Christ as He would have us to.

I have come to this forum seeking like minded folks to fellowship with. I hope this isn't an air ball.
One of the easiest ways to see how close a church is, is to look at the parking lot. If it is full, keep looking. My bible talks about a great falling away, not an increase in membership.

I don't understand why christians cling to old testament law when Christ ushered in the new covenant specifically for me.
I see so many people that are drinking milk from a baby bottle when they should be chewing on a succulent steak.
At any rate, hopefully you will come to know a bit more about me, and I, you. I do enjoy discussing God and His never changing word.

'Til next time..........

I believe that churches are not getting it right, too, but I think much of what you say has both understanding and misunderstanding of what God wants of us.

Scripture is using our language in the best way possible to get God's language to us. Much of it was first in Hebrew, even what has only come to us from the Greek was, at the very first, Hebrew. How we use any language changes with time, think of only reading old English!! In our world today, we have discovered much about what the ancient Hebrew meant to people, I think it is God who has opened up ways for that to happen as we need it so desperately now. Some of our "new" translations are using this. I don't think we should thumb our noses without seriously looking at this.

It would be absolutely terrible to need to go back to living in those 4,000 or more years before Christ came to live with us and was crucified, like it says in Hebrews, Christ gave us a way to grow. But even in the book of Hebrews, it never says I don't want you to have been a child ever, just start out as a baby Christian with meat only, don't ever be a baby. Cancel out anything to do with your beginnings, be adult from the start! Hebrews is based on that we know all about God principles told about and explained in the 4,000 years God worked in the earth.

When you want a church who denies old testament law, you are wanting a church that denies Christ. Christ said he didn't, every bit of it stays, and Christ even told what happens to people who teach such and it isn't good. You can't have a law that is only Christ's without the law it was built on anymore than you can build a building with a roof and no walls.