How freewill salvation perverts God's Justice !

svedbygrace · Apr 9, 2014

A world within themselves !

This statement concerns the Elect of God Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

The Word Elect here means I.picked out, chosen ones ! The Elect and the Church of Christ are also the same ones, and they are a World to God in and of themselves.

The word world means also :

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

The Elect and the Church are a collection of particulars

A Gathering together for assembling is a World by definition !

In Jn 11:52

And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

This assembling, gathering together of the Children of God is a World !

The word Church ekklēsia has that same gathering together concept, it means:

I.a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

B.the assembly of the Israelites

Remember that, the assembly of the Israelites in the wilderness Acts 7:38

This is he, that was in the church G1577 in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Technically and by definition that was a World in the Wilderness !

We can by definition actually state that the Nation of Israel is a World, and we can say the World minus the Nation of Israel is a World as Paul intimates here Rom 11:15

15 For if the casting away of them[National Israel] be the reconciling of the world,

Any orderly arrangement or collection of individuals is a World,a Harmonious Constitution , again much like the Nation of Israel.

Remember when they came into their physical inheritance of the Land of canaan ? God had orderly arrangement, read in the Book of Joshua !

The Church, the Elect of God are a World in themselves also because, the World was made principally for them and their Head Christ Gen 1:26-27

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Which Pictured Christ and the Church !

1 Cor 3:21-23

21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;

23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

All things are the Churchs because all things are her Husbands Col 1:16

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:[Christ]

Now how could all things be Created for Christ, and not for His Church, His Eve ?

That would be like saying all things were Created for Adam, but not Eve Gen 1:26-27

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Not only that, The Church is the Most Excellent part of the World Ps 16:3

3 But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.

In whom is all Christ's their Mediator's Delight; for they were His delight before the World beganProv 8:31

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

That's that World of God's Chosen in Him and given to Him Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And all of those, are a World within themselves !867

svedbygrace · Apr 9, 2014

Salvation is by Grace and Why !

Eph 2:8-9

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Salvation is by Grace first of all because its God's Workmanship, being Created in Christ Jesus unto good works !

Its a Creation out of Grace Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Now how a man uses his freewill to become a Creation, beats me ! Creation is an Act of God alone, Jesus said to His disciples about Salvation, when they asked Him, who then shall be saved ? Read what He stated Matt 19:25-26

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Becoming saved is impossible with men because only God can Create, and that's what Salvation is, A New Creation Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Isa 43:7

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I haveformed him; yea, I have made him.879

svedbygrace · Apr 11, 2014

The Gift of Righteousness !

Rom 5:17

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ)

Now what is this Gift of Righteousness that those Christ died for receive ? Its an Gift given to all for whom Christ died, by imputation, its to regard as Righteous resulting from The Death of Christ in our behalf !

Rom 4:6,11

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Now here is where the Antichrist followers really deceive the deceived non elect, for they tell us that this GIFT of Righteousness is a offer made to all mankind and that its up to the individual to either accept it or reject it according to their mythological freewill !

However nothing can more further from the truth, the fact is, all for whom Christ died for receive it [ The Gift of Righteousness] legally by Imputation, they receive it because God regards it theirs resulting from the death of Christ for them. Its theirs based upon a Divine Sovereign Act that is authorized by the Work of Christ on their behalf, another way of saying it is like its written here Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The Free Gift came upon them by Imputation or it met upon them, it was laid upon them by Divine Imputation.

Remember when it was written that God Laid upon Him the iniquity of us all Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Well that word laid means:

i.to meet, light upon, join, account , Just as Our Iniquities were imputed, joined, accounted to Him, Hence the Divine Legal exchange 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made[by imputation] him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made[by imputation] the righteousness of God in him.

Its also that Justification of Life imputed to ones account for the sake of Christ, not for the sake of mans imaginary and delusional freewill, for thats an attempt to rob Christ of His Glory.

This Righteousness is a Free Gift of Grace imputed to them even while they are enemies and ungodly, for thats the legal basis for their reconciliation to God while they are enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

It being imputed to us means it has been reckoned to us, looked on by God as belonging to us, not offered to us, but belonging to us because of the Legal accomplishments in our behalf of Christ's Suretyship Righteousness given or charged to us by Imputation. God sees it as Ours and being Justified by it before Him, its as we did it all ourselves, But Christ did it, He satisfied God's Law and Justice for us, bare its curse and rendered for us Perfect unspotted obedience, and its recokoned to all for whom He died as a Free Gift of God's Grace , even while we are unbelievers and ungodly by nature as others !

If anyone teaches that we must meet any kind of condition, obedience, like Faith or Repentance or water baptism before God reckons it ours, they lairs and antichrist and hold Christ's Legal work for us before God's Law and Justice in contempt !879

svedbygrace · Apr 14, 2014

Inability is denied by antichrist followers !

Rom 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

One of the major and obvious delusions of false religion is a denial of total depravity or total inability due to spiritual death by nature !

Most if not all religionists will cry that man has some ability, whereas the testimony of scripture and the true Saints deny that !

Paul here under the inspiration of the Spirit writes that when we [Believers] were without strengeth !

Now that word strength is not speaking about physical strength naturally, but spiritually, and the in the greek is adjective asthenēs and means:

I.weak, infirm, feeble, , impotent

In fact the word is translated as such here Acts 4:9

If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent G772 man, by what means he is made whole;

Now the word impotent needs to be defined to a better understanding of the word and the truth of God, it means:

not potent; lacking power or ability.

utterly unable (to do something).

lacking bodily strength or physically helpless.

But in the sense of Rom 5:6 it means lacking Spiritual strength and Spiritual helplessness !

It was for this reason Christ had to die to save His People from their sins, if not they are in a situation where they could not help themselves, they had no ability to !

But false religionists advocate that man naturally has spiritual ability, he has the ability to believe, to have faith, to come to God, to repent, to obey God Spiritually and on and on, in total contradiction to the Testimony of scripture !

Now even though many translations of scripture are dangerous, and only by the enablement of the Spirit of God can one be prevented from their deceptions, yet sometimes they capture the meanng of a word or words.

Rom 5:6

6 While we were yet in weakness [powerless to help ourselves], at the fitting time Christ died for (in behalf of) the ungodly.AMP

This is the Truth of all men by nature, but the freewillers, and arminians and the such totally deny it to their destruction and arrogance !880

svedbygrace · Apr 15, 2014

Inability is denied by antichrist followers ! 2

Isa 45:24-25

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Because man is without strength and righteousness, it is only found in the Lord, however the religionist denies this, they find both righteousness and strength/ability in their own freewill !

The religionist believes they are Justified[Before God] by what they do, even if its their act of righteousness or act of faith. They certainly wretch a scripture like this Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The abuse it out of its Salvation by Grace context and insist that it means that God counts their act of Faith as righteousness, in disregard to Christ being the True Believers Righteousness and the object of their Faith !

God has made Christ unto us that are saved Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, andrighteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Christ is revealed to be Our Righteousness and not our act of Faith or believing we do !

But now remember the text says " Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness andstrength"

Remember what Paul wrote Rom 5:6

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

When we did not have any strength, God became our Strength. The word strength in Isa 45:24

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Its the hebrew word `oz :

I.might, strength
A.
material or physical

B.
personal or social or political

Ps 68:35

O God, thou art terrible out of thy holy places: the God of Israel is he that giveth strength and power unto his people. Blessed be God.

The Lord is Our Strength in and through the Power of His Spirit that He gives to us in New Birth. All ability to act, be it Spiritual Faith, Repentance or any Gospel Obedience, its because enablement of the Spirit He gives to us in New Birth !

The fact is, by Nature prior to New Birth, a New Creation, men have no Righteousness before God nor no Strength or ability to advance toward God !884

jakester8194 · Apr 15, 2014

He's speaking in parables. I believe you are doing what many athiests and many mega church pastors do using scriptures out of context and manipulating them to make a point that isn't there.

svedbygrace · Apr 15, 2014

Justified by Faith ! Do you deny it ?

Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

The antichrist followers have had a grand ole time in their corruption of this scripture, for they tell us that it means that a person is Justified before God by their act of faith or believing, but thats a lie, for those whom Christ died in behalf of and for are Justified by Christ alone, His Obedience alone declares them Justified or Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of oneshall many be made righteous.

The word made here kathistēmi means:

C.to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be

So its plain as day that His Obedience alone, the obedience of one, declares them Righteous, and then God given Faith from the New Birth acknowledges, receives the Testimony of the Truth of the fact;

So scriptural Justification by Faith is when by God given Faith, a fruit f the Spirit [Gal 5:22] we receive the Fact of having been Justified / declared Righteous by the Blood of Christ alone before we became believers and while we were yet ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The true Christians testimony is that we are Justified by Christ alone and not by our act of faith or believing, for we believe that are believing or faith is nothing but an evidence of having partook of the benefits of Christ's saving death/work !

We believe that ones faith given in New Birth is God's appointed means of revealing or making it known to us our Justification that we may begin to experience the Joy and Peace through believing Rom 15:13

13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Notice the phrase "through the power of the Holy Ghost" hence who shall deny that this indicates that ones believing is the effect of the Power of the Holy Ghost ?

Justification by Faith therefore is denied when we say that it means that our act of believing is what caused us to be Justified before God instead of Christ's Blood or Obedience alone Rom 5:19!898

svedbygrace · Apr 15, 2014

jakester8194 said:

I believe you are evasive !

svedbygrace · Apr 16, 2014

Justified by Faith ! Do you deny it ? 2

That faith is not our Jusitifcation before God, but only a means of receiving the Knowledge of itLk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Salvation here is broad and means the many different Spiritual Blessings that accompany it, Justification, forgiveness, reconciliation and etc !

And this Justification before God is true, before our act of faith, is true because it consisteth in having our sins taken away before God's Law and Justice, and this is accomplished by Christ alone and not by ones act of believing ! For it is written that after He had died and being exalted to the Right Hand of God, Having at that point purged our sins, sat down on the Right Hand of the Majesty on High Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now what did those whom He died for, what did their act of believing have to do with that ? Nothing, He did it by Himself !

The word here purge is the greek word katharismos and means :

C.a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

The cleansing here denotes the removal of the guilt of all their sins, which is an aspect of Justification, being made free from the guilt of sin, Justified from its guilt, its stated by Paul freed from sin here Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The word freed here is the word dikaioō and means:

I.
to render righteous or such he ought to be

II.
to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

III.
to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

The ASV :7 for he that hath died is justified from sin.

They died or be dead because of their Union with Christ when He died, and so, Paul writes 2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

That word dead is the same word for dead in Rom 6:7, because He died for all, so all for whom He died are dead to sin, Justified from it, acquitted of it,made righteous, not by their act of Faith or Believing,but because of His death for them, His purging them from their sins Heb 1:3; This cannot be denied and be a True Believer !900

homwardbound · Apr 16, 2014

I think broken down it is real simple:
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

svedbygrace · Apr 17, 2014

Justified by Faith ! Do you deny it ? 3

Our Reconciliation by the Death of God's Son even while we are being enemies, doeth indicate without question that those He died for are Justified before God before believing, in that they are reconciled [past tense] while being enemies [unbelieving] Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now because without Justification from all sin there cannot be any reconciliation to God, for sin seperates God from people Isa 59:2

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

However those Christ died for are reconciled to God inspite of their sins since they are reconciled while they are being enemies !

But seeing that those who Christ died for are reconciled, accepted into favor while enemies, that speaks to their being Justified from all their sins before Him before they believe or have Faith ! Denial of this Truth is denial of the Gospel of God !902

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2014

Think you might have just revealed yourself, please keep talking, Love you regardless

Spokenpassage · Apr 17, 2014

There is no free will outside or inside of God's will.

svedbygrace · Apr 18, 2014

Justified by Faith ! Do you deny it ? 4

Our Justification from sin is an aspect of ones redemption and forgiveness, which is by Christ alone Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

For ones act of Faith is not what redeemed them, nor does it cause God to forgive ones sins, He does that for His Own Names Sake in Christ Isa 43:25

I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

For God in Christ's sake Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Not for the sake of my repentance or act of faith did God forgive those Christ died for, but for Christ's Sake !

So therefore, those He died for are Justified and forgiven of all sin without their believing ! Solely by Christ's Death alone !903

homwardbound · Apr 18, 2014

Man speaketh with forked tongue, God does not and has never lied once, and never will, so all salvation is dependent on beleif or not, too simple and man over the years has had to make his own doctrine out of to either believe God or not, all that is left is to either beleive God our not after the cross, in the resurrected Christ for you

homwardbound · Apr 19, 2014

svedbygrace said:

Saved by the LIFE the resurrected Christ not the dead Christ. What is left after death that took away the sin of the world in Father's sight not man's sight; is to believe or not to believe, and if beleive receive new life in Spirit and truth through the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth, right here right now by Faith in the finished works of Father through Son. free gift to us that believe not man's works rather Father's through Son

WomanLovesTX · Apr 19, 2014

konroh said:

When Jesus told people to believe on Him, He was calling people to have faith in Him. This is something that anyone can do. We have faith. When people came to Jesus in faith He said, "My Father drew you to me." This is something that only God can do. So we have an infinite God drawing people to come to His Son and accept Him by faith.

Matthew 7 : 21-24.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The will of God the Father is that we should believe. That is the only work we need to do to be saved. But abiding in Christ and persevering are works that will give us reward, keep us from iniquity, cause us to have an intimate relationship with Christ.

We can all draw out thousands of interpretation from this scripture .or we can just accept the simple truth of this passage which Jesus has said since 2000 years ago. ' Do the will of my Father no 2 ways about it, only those who endure TO THE END shall be saved. Matthews 24:13.

Enduring to the end in the context of these verses is during the Tribulation period, those who endure will be physically saved at Christ's return, they will also enjoy full sanctification in their belief and their love will not grow cold, they will be rewarded believers. What is the end spoken of here? It is not the end of each one of our lives, the end here refers to the end of the Tribulation. Each one who believes is rewarded for persevering in faith, and will experience deliverance, but to say that I could negate my initial salvation based on faith by neglecting to endure in good works is like saying that I can stop being a son of my Dad and Mom if I displease them. I became a child of God through faith, nothing I do or don't do can change that. Can I displease my Father and not imitate Christ? Of course, but God will still love me and save me.

John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Even faith is a gift of grace, so no one can claim or boast they are saved by works of belief or Faith.

svedbygrace · Apr 19, 2014

Not sufficient to save unless man believes !

Even though the antichrist servants proclaim loudly,Christ and Him Crucified, and without Him man cannot be saved, nevertheless they deny the Saving Effects of His Cross, by saying it cannot save one without their act of believing, which as quiet as its kept, this only means that ones act of believing is what saves them, no not Christ and Him Crucified, but mans act of believing or faith, So consequently, with a mind set like that, mans act of believing becomes his saviour and not Christ ! Paul also calls this 2 Tim 3:5

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

If we insist that Christ has died for us, but without our believing act, we cannot be saved everlastingly, then quite obvious our believing act is what saved us !!

See, it cannot be Christ Crucified and something else we do together with Him that saves us, for that's an attack on the Honor and Glory due to Him alone for all of our Salvation Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Christ death alone redeems us and makes us New Creations and Servants !

The antichrsit servants deny this, and say Christ's death is not effective to do this, unless man performs an act belief !915

svedbygrace · Apr 21, 2014

Forgiveness of sins is Justification, for by it, everyone for whom Christ died, by His death/blood alone, even while they are enemies, are forgiven, and thus Justified from all guilt and punishment and penalty of sin, for remission of sins is the remission of the penalty of sin, and ones act of believing DID NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT OR CONTRIBUTE TO IT ! Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The word remission Aphesis

release from bondage or imprisonment
forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

This is huge !

This means they're sins are let go as though they never have been committed, which would go back to the very first sin committed in Adam, so again their is a remission of the penalty of death and unbelief, because unbelief is an imprisonment.

So all for whom Christ died, by His DEATH/BLOOD alone, are once and for all eternally Justified from all sins, its penalty, wages, consequences BEFORE THEY BELIEVE ! and that is why the must believe !916

svedbygrace · Apr 22, 2014

Must save from Unbelief to be a success !

Christ's Mission is to deliver those He died for from Unbelief/Disobedience, that which Adam plunged them into as their natural Covenant head Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Or we can say with the same veracity Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made disobedient, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

And if those He died for are not delivered from that disobedience or unbelief, then Christ failed His Purpose for God the Father to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21 and to seek and to save that which was lost in Adam Lk 19:10.

Now, all the Elect/Sheep were delivered to unbelief and disobedience by the Judgment of God for their sin in Adam, however it was for an merciful purpose, hence Paul writes to jew and Gentile Election of Grace this Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all .

God hath concluded them all in Unbelief ! The word concluded is the greek word Sugkleio and means:

All the Elect of God, [jew and gentile] are shut up into the power of satan and held captive under unbelief and disobedience for the purpose of God having saving mercy on them Titus 3:5 ! 926

How freewill salvation perverts God's Justice !

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