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A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
WRONG! No man has EVER had a free will.... There are only two wills on this earth. God's and Satan's. The one will is a deal to do sin,and the other is a deal to be saved from sin. Free choice is more correct, but what choice did Saul have when Jesus had him fall to the ground in the light? God chose Paul/Saul to be the vessel for a doctrine to the Gentiles even before the earth was made? Do you think God's CHOICE will EVER not stand?
It was God's choice to save the doctrine to the uncircimsized for the SOLE vessel in Paul. Even before the earth was made God decided to have a man Saul, changed to be an APOSTLE named PAUL. And God will put the Spirit of Jesus in the man Saul, to become the HOLY MAN PAUL, to take the Gospel of Jesus to the Gentiles. Do you think Saul could will NOT TO BE PAUL the Apostle? NEVER!
And iif you look in Ezekiel 36.... GOD CAUSE ALL HIS PEOPLE TO BE HOLY AND PERFECT!... God CAUSE THEM not they, not anything else, BUT GOD, to HIS PLEASURE does He do it... All we can do is HOPE to be part of that. And if you do have this hope this is what you shall do..... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
This is how they mesh into GOD'S WILL BE DONE ON EARTH.
It was God's choice to save the doctrine to the uncircimsized for the SOLE vessel in Paul. Even before the earth was made God decided to have a man Saul, changed to be an APOSTLE named PAUL. And God will put the Spirit of Jesus in the man Saul, to become the HOLY MAN PAUL, to take the Gospel of Jesus to the Gentiles. Do you think Saul could will NOT TO BE PAUL the Apostle? NEVER!
And iif you look in Ezekiel 36.... GOD CAUSE ALL HIS PEOPLE TO BE HOLY AND PERFECT!... God CAUSE THEM not they, not anything else, BUT GOD, to HIS PLEASURE does He do it... All we can do is HOPE to be part of that. And if you do have this hope this is what you shall do..... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
This is how they mesh into GOD'S WILL BE DONE ON EARTH.
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It depends on the understading of Predestination. Predestination is actually "knowing something will happen" where as Free Will is "the instance it happens".
Since God is omnipotent, omniscient we cannot surprise Him by our actions. However, its still "our" actions, we are not programmed to do that particular action. But God knows that we would end up doing it, because we will choose to do it. I know that this gets a complicated at this point. The common response is "If God knows, then I cannot change it", well you can change your actions by changing your mind. But God would have known that you would change you mind. Ah well... lets put this in an example.
Say the FBI get information that a particular group of men are going to rob a bank and they set up trap to catch them. The group arrives and police apprehends them, now if the group claims that "We did it because FBI knew we would do it", would that make any sense at all? Did the group do it because the FBI knew it? Not at all. FBI just had sources to know that the group would do it, in case of God, He doesn't need sources to know what our actions would be.
This is my understanding of free will and predestination.
Since God is omnipotent, omniscient we cannot surprise Him by our actions. However, its still "our" actions, we are not programmed to do that particular action. But God knows that we would end up doing it, because we will choose to do it. I know that this gets a complicated at this point. The common response is "If God knows, then I cannot change it", well you can change your actions by changing your mind. But God would have known that you would change you mind. Ah well... lets put this in an example.
Say the FBI get information that a particular group of men are going to rob a bank and they set up trap to catch them. The group arrives and police apprehends them, now if the group claims that "We did it because FBI knew we would do it", would that make any sense at all? Did the group do it because the FBI knew it? Not at all. FBI just had sources to know that the group would do it, in case of God, He doesn't need sources to know what our actions would be.
This is my understanding of free will and predestination.
My goodness! The ad hominem attacks just keep flying tonight.
I am well-versed on the meaning of those words. A well-respect doctor of theology also taught the same in Biblical interpretation classes I took at a recognized Bible college. If it is in the Bible, then it is true, regardless of my level of understanding. With as many topics such as trinitarianism and eschatology so highly debated and misunderstood, is it such a wonder that the Calvinist v. Armenian theories are so controversial?
I am well-versed on the meaning of those words. A well-respect doctor of theology also taught the same in Biblical interpretation classes I took at a recognized Bible college. If it is in the Bible, then it is true, regardless of my level of understanding. With as many topics such as trinitarianism and eschatology so highly debated and misunderstood, is it such a wonder that the Calvinist v. Armenian theories are so controversial?
Im meaning, a calvinist will teach predestined means God chose certain people to be saved and certain people to go to hell. Thats a false doctrine, but like Bibu said, God knowing what we will do isnt God choosing for us. Then when people are confused they say funny things. I may have misread your post and thought you were saying that the two words were the same. Or if you meant that man has free will AND God choses for them.
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It's both, just not like ya think.
God did know us from the foundation of the world. He predestined that Jesus would die for every person's sins before the foundation of the world. However, we must choose God's plan ourselves. We're able to do that when the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins & proves to us that Christ died for the sins of the world.
Since God knows the end from the beginning, He knows what we'll chose & empowers us by the Holy Spirit to keep that decision.
God did know us from the foundation of the world. He predestined that Jesus would die for every person's sins before the foundation of the world. However, we must choose God's plan ourselves. We're able to do that when the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins & proves to us that Christ died for the sins of the world.
Since God knows the end from the beginning, He knows what we'll chose & empowers us by the Holy Spirit to keep that decision.
And even a second grader can realize that two people can be responsible for one action, like two people coloring on the same page, or working on a project together. God is the primary cause, and man can be a responsible secondary cause, or even a co-primary cause. It is not a contradiction. All who are appointed unto eternal life believe. What if they aren't appointed? Impossible. What if they don't believe? Impossible.
I was predestined and created to have free will as well.
There some gifts and talents that I was born with that I developed over time that I wasn't free to choose from.
Everything else, I'm the one who makes a decision just as Adam and Eve were created and were free to make their decision, otherwise we would all be walking around in the garden of Eden today.
There some gifts and talents that I was born with that I developed over time that I wasn't free to choose from.
Everything else, I'm the one who makes a decision just as Adam and Eve were created and were free to make their decision, otherwise we would all be walking around in the garden of Eden today.
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I firmly believe we have the freedom to choose who we will serve. God knows all. He is alpha and omega, after all. He knows the path we will choose, but knowing that or deciding it for us are two different things. Why do we have a bible if our final destination is predetermined? The gospel is to persuade us to serve God. Why does the bible teach backsliding if there is no such thing? There are so many scriptures to enforce this fact it is unreal, yet people still refuse truth. Baptists teach "once saved always saved". A damnable doctrine. Even God Himself repented, at one point.
Joshua 24:15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Joshua 24:15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
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King james Bible was translated by comittee
When have you ever seen a commitee get things right?
Get youraself a free Bible like at
theword.com
install the kjv with strongs concordance number
and look up the word.
You would bet your eternal salvation on the word choice of one translated word? that is crazy
read the Bible
everyone is invited and everyone who wants to do right will be saved.
When have you ever seen a commitee get things right?
Get youraself a free Bible like at
theword.com
install the kjv with strongs concordance number
and look up the word.
You would bet your eternal salvation on the word choice of one translated word? that is crazy
read the Bible
everyone is invited and everyone who wants to do right will be saved.
R
All the same thing.
God knew before He created you, how you would turn out if you had free will.
And then knowing this, He chose to create you.
So, you were predestined to execute a foreseeable result of your free will.
And any attempt to change it, is already in the calculation and actually just part of it's fulfillment.
God knew before He created you, how you would turn out if you had free will.
And then knowing this, He chose to create you.
So, you were predestined to execute a foreseeable result of your free will.
And any attempt to change it, is already in the calculation and actually just part of it's fulfillment.