Acts 1:11; What Does this Passage Mean to You?

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Well, I know that that the first resurrection took place at Jesus' resurrection, not after the thousand year reign. Those Old Testament saints were resurrected and taken to heaven with Jesus... the certainly aren't sill alive today, and they certainly didn't die twice.
What about - John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heave, even the Son of man which is in heaven. this - Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right hand. . . . I'm sure if the resurrection of the just has occurred - David would have been a part of it. . . . just thinking :)
 
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What about - John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heave, even the Son of man which is in heaven. this - Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right hand. . . . I'm sure if the resurrection of the just has occurred - David would have been a part of it. . . . just thinking :)
On a separate note not related to KJV1611 said ...


I think, no man, has ascended to ; "the right hand of God" but Christ . It can't simply mean to heaven in general ;Seeing other scripture says very clearly to be absent from the Body is present with the Lord: The Lord being in heaven. And we have many scripture teaching that.
 

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Well Maybe not typing enough .


You posted all verse 7-11 of Acts 1:. ( which we are reading )

and highlighted part of verse 11

""Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, ""
( Which is about Christ's return )


And said :

"""I am getting at something here, but please tell me what this passage means to you, and our attitudes towards" His coming.""

You mentioned His coming. So, that's what we been talking about. You also said your "getting at something "

But failed to mention what , that something was.
Ahhh BUSTED! lol.
I am a complete ding dong today. I seriously forgot I wrote that part. Thanks for pointing it out.
Apologies.
Carry on my friends. Carry on.
 
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Ahhh BUSTED! lol.
I am a complete ding dong today. I seriously forgot I wrote that part. Thanks for pointing it out.
Apologies.
Carry on my friends. Carry on.
no harm done ; like yah said i just wanted to point that out . Because I was started to get confused as to what you wanted to say about it..

Because you simply just didn't say enough :D
 
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Elizabeth619

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On a separate note not related to KJV1611 said ...


I think, no man, has ascended to ; "the right hand of God" but Christ . It can't simply mean to heaven in general ;Seeing other scripture says very clearly to be absent from the Body is present with the Lord: The Lord being in heaven. And we have many scripture teaching that.
ACtually I recently was corrected on this belief. I was recently at a funeral where the minister said "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.".
That actually isn't what the passage says.

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord”

What Paul is actually saying is he would rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord. Not that when we are absent from the body we are in God's presence.

This came as a shock to me when I discovered this. Even bummed me out.
 
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What about - John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heave, even the Son of man which is in heaven. this - Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right hand. . . . I'm sure if the resurrection of the just has occurred - David would have been a part of it. . . . just thinking :)
Good point. I will look into that.
 

Elizabeth619

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no harm done ; like yah said i just wanted to point that out . Because I was started to get confused as to what you wanted to say about it..

Because you simply just didn't say enough :D
I am fighting a headache right now. IT would probably be a better idea for me to log offline right now than to stay on and get hateful. I can feel that attitude coming on lol.
I might stay a little longer tho.
 

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Funny, the minute I read the OP, I thought of the Great Commission.

"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,[SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-30

I think it ties in with this parable Jesus told:

"[SUP]12 [/SUP]He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come." Luke 19:12-13 KJV

My thought is that Elizabeth was just trying to provoke people to think about Jesus wants us to do till he returns. Sorry about the headache. It made sense to me!!
 
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ACtually I recently was corrected on this belief. I was recently at a funeral where the minister said "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.".
That actually isn't what the passage says.

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord”

What Paul is actually saying is he would rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord. Not that when we are absent from the body we are in God's presence.

This came as a shock to me when I discovered this. Even bummed me out.

Speaking honestly here: you were better off had you not taken the confused minister's advice.

Paul should be allowed to speak for himself as he taught on this in many other places also, which confirms he meant what he said, to be taken just as its written.



2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Ecclesiastes 12:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



How about Paul's own writings :


1 Corinthians 15:12
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

1 Corinthians 15:

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

If some people ( that poor minster ) thinks there is no resurrection at death, then they are most miserable.


20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. <--

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. <--

Not to stay in a hole in a ground . If Christ is the example and He resurrected, so did they that die.


1 Corinthians 15:42

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

( It is born into a natural body, it is raised in a heavenly one at death )

Continue to read, here, and Paul even gos into detail as to what kind of body, people have when they die.


So when Paul said, to be absent from the body is present with the Lord, he meant that happens at death.
 
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...I think what the angels were saying is..."Hey, don't you guys have something better to do with your time? Get moving already!"

We should use this time to do what God has told us to do. We should look for His coming with excitement, yes. But, not to the point where our whole day is spent looking for His coming. We know He will and He won't be rushed.
Amen! "...Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes." Mat. 24:46

And I agree with your Biblical description of His Coming.

 

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when they saw him ascend the same body that ate broiled fish dipped in honey,,this is the same they will see return,,,
 

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Speaking honestly here: you were better off had you not taken the confused minister's advice.

Paul should be allowed to speak for himself as he taught on this in many other places also, which confirms he meant what he said, to be taken just as its written.



2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Ecclesiastes 12:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



How about Paul's own writings :


1 Corinthians 15:12
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

1 Corinthians 15:

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

If some people ( that poor minster ) thinks there is no resurrection at death, then they are most miserable.


20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. <--

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. <--

Not to stay in a hole in a ground . If Christ is the example and He resurrected, so did they that die.


1 Corinthians 15:42

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

( It is born into a natural body, it is raised in a heavenly one at death )

Continue to read, here, and Paul even gos into detail as to what kind of body, people have when they die.


So when Paul said, to be absent from the body is present with the Lord, he meant that happens at death.
Well, there is the whole paradise place we go to when we die which is a Heavenly realm which I guess could mean not technically in the hates of heaven just yet. Like I said...headache....not gonna make much since right now
 
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Well, there is the whole paradise place we go to when we die which is a Heavenly realm which I guess could mean not technically in the hates of heaven just yet. Like I said...headache....not gonna make much since right now
well take a baby aspirin with a tall glass of spring water, and go for a hour long walk. Take a nap too. And then call me in the morning. :)
 
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On a separate note not related to KJV1611 said ...


I think, no man, has ascended to ; "the right hand of God" but Christ . It can't simply mean to heaven in general ;Seeing other scripture says very clearly to be absent from the Body is present with the Lord: The Lord being in heaven. And we have many scripture teaching that.
Okay nathan3 - you can read that into it if you want but I read it - "no man has ascended into heaven" - as it is written.

P.S.
Oops, didn't see Elizabeth's response!!!!
 
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Okay nathan3 - you can read that into it if you want but I read it - "no man has ascended into heaven" - as it is written.
The subject started is about people born from above. If we read carfully the Full verse, it then reads :


John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven."

No man, ascended up to heaven, that has not First, come down from heaven. Just as Christ came down from heaven.


Christ is simply saying, No man can go to heaven unless he is born, of woman ( coming down first in that way ) before he gos up.


Who would have come down, and went to heaven, ( without being born ) would have been the fallen angels.


Again, Christ said in this statement , and it shouldn't be overlooked "" but He That came down from heaven,""


John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again ( Hebrew above. Not English meaning again )."

"ye must be born from above." If not "born of woman", then you would be either a evil spirit, or from a fallen angel.

Dont take may word for it. Look up the word in its Hebrew yourselves .
 
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Also note :

Hebrews 2:14



Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
 

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Thanks for responding guys! The two quotes I posted are exactly what I was hoping would be pointed out.
So, my question is WHY are there so many threads about the "rapture coming soon" and the "signs are here"? No, I'm not a rapture believer(and I am not turning this into a rapture debate thread, so please refrain from it), but there are many who think the complete end is coming soon(as in no rapture, but only judgement). They are End of Timers too.
Looks to me these messengers of God were getting on to the apostles for looking into the sky, so why are we? IF you spend more time looking for signs then when are you spreading the gospel?
The gospel isn't the book of Revelation so why do some of us spend more time on the end times theories than on the gospels?
Just something I have recently began to ponder.
I can't speak for more people, but there's also instruction from Christ to keep watch...and this may be certain people's job in the body. As a body has many different parts serving different functions, so likewise neither do we all have the same ministry. It may be your job to spread the gospel, while it's others job to water that seed, and some are called to be watchers; to tell that body "HEY it's getting closer! BE READY!" I'm specifically reminded of these verses.

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


Matthew 24:42-44
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.


Matthew 25:13
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
 
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Beginning at verse 7...
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I am getting at something here, but please tell me what this passage means to you, and our attitudes towards His coming.
Elizabeth619, could it be that only a few could see Jesus when he ascended back into heaven, those that were witnesses. Paul said, in 1 Cor. 15:4-8 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. Wonder why Jesus didn't appear to all the people?

Acts 10:40-42 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
 
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Speaking honestly here: you were better off had you not taken the confused minister's advice.

Paul should be allowed to speak for himself as he taught on this in many other places also, which confirms he meant what he said, to be taken just as its written.

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
He is willing rather to be absent from the body and be present with the Lord which will occur when the resurrection occurs - He would rather be present with the Lord than in this earthly tabernacle and be clothed in an house not made with hands eternal in the heavens . . . . when we shall be raised incorruptible - at the resurrection.
Ecclesiastes 12:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Also: Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. . . .whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Now my question is - the "spirit" that returns to God - what exactly is that? Is that me as in my thoughts, desires, personality - ? That part of me is dead and knows nothing and returns to dust. . . And if I am already with God immediately upon death - then I would be in my resurrected body, clothed with that which is incorruptible, why resurrect me again when He returns? something to think about. . . .
How about Paul's own writings :
1 Corinthians 15:12
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
2 Timothy 2:18 - (Hymenaeus and Philetus) Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. . . . .
1 Corinthians 15:

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

If some people ( that poor minster ) thinks there is no resurrection at death, then they are most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. <--

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. <--

Not to stay in a hole in a ground . If Christ is the example and He resurrected, so did they that die.

1 Corinthians 15:42

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

( It is born into a natural body, it is raised in a heavenly one at death )

Continue to read, here, and Paul even gos into detail as to what kind of body, people have when they die.

So when Paul said, to be absent from the body is present with the Lord, he meant that happens at death.
I too believe there will be a resurrection from the dead and we do not stay in a hole in the ground forever. (We shall not all sleep) It is called sleep because we will be awakened - we will be awakened by a shout from Jesus, the voice of the archangel and the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first (raised in incorruption) then we which are alive shall put on immortality - If we are already there - why bother waking us up? This is a great subject for further study. :)
 
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Beginning at verse 7...
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I am getting at something here, but please tell me what this passage means to you, and our attitudes towards His coming.
My bible teaches me that the following will see him come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

1. The saved as evidenced by your scriptures
2. The ultra-religious (Pharisee)
3. Those who don't believe in the resurrection (Sadducees)
4. All kindred's of the Earth as well as all tribes
5. Every eye

No mysterious, invisible, wham, bang, boom and we are all gone and everybody wonders where we went...heresy!