a general reply to the Catholics

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I am not ashamed to call Mary the mother of God.
And what about calling Mary the “Queen of Heaven”?

Isn’t it a big blasphemy? An insult to the almighty King!
 
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By the way: did you know that the Bible calls our disobedience to man's laws as sin? .
Yes… and that’s what you Catholics were telling your devout catholic disciple Hitler to tell the Germans (94% Christian) that being obedient to man’s authority was obedience to God. That resulted in the deaths of over 50 million. Heinrich Himmler also a devout Catholic modeled the NAZI SS. organization from the hierarchy of the Jesuit Order.
 
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Please point out were John points out the difference in sins.

"If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death." 1 John 5: 16-17
 
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Yes… and that’s what you Catholics were telling your devout catholic disciple Hitler to tell the Germans (94% Christian) that being obedient to man’s authority was obedience to God. That resulted in the deaths of over 50 million. Heinrich Himmler also a devout Catholic modeled the NAZI SS. organization from the hierarchy of the Jesuit Order.
Hitler, a devout catholic? What an enormous lie!
 
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Hitler was not a devout Catholic, He therefore only accepted certain parts of the Catholic Religion. Still today, many so called Christians do the same. they pick and choose certain scriptures and disgard the rest. Hitler was that type of person. Somewhere down the line I heard, that he himself nearly started his own religion. How true that is I don't know.

But He was not a devoted Catholic, as he had some hidden ties with them, and the Catholic religion had hidden ties with Hitler. that's all he had to do with Catholic Religion.

Hitler was a vindictive, evil man, and even had ties with the devil himself. So the catholic and the devil was Hitler's alibi's..........
 
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July 1, 1933: The German government states that "Reich Chancellor Hitler still belongs to the Catholic Church and has no intention of leaving it."

The Holocaust Chronicle PROLOGUE: Roots of the Holocaust, page 67
Of course! Just like Ceausescu, the romanian dictator was a "devout christian" that fought with all his being against God and christians.
That newspaper title doesn`t proove that Hitler was a devout catholic. Use your discernemt!

"Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but in power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] He did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated. Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but wrote that he had not formally left the Church prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered that he was still in "good standing" with that Church in 1941, while historians Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormanncontained within Hitler's Table Talk.[SUP][8][/SUP] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[SUP][9]"[/SUP]

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Beginning of the 3rd Reich (A contract between the Vatican and Germany)

July 20, 1933. The Vatican signed a concord with Germany. Pope Pius XI considered the treaty as protecting Catholic rights in Germany. This action helped legitimize the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Reich in the international community .

Cardinal Faulhaber, who helped negotiate the concordat with Hitler (and who ordained the present pope), assessed its international impact in a 1937 sermon:

“At a time when the heads of the major nations in the world faced the new Germany with cool reserve and considerable suspicion, the Catholic Church, the greatest moral power on earth, through the Concordat expressed its confidence in the new German government.”


Concordat Watch - Germany | Reichskonkordat (with Hitler, 1933): Full text
 
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Beginning of the 3rd Reich (A contract between the Vatican and Germany)

July 20, 1933. The Vatican signed a concord with Germany. Pope Pius XI considered the treaty as protecting Catholic rights in Germany. This action helped legitimize the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Reich in the international community .

Cardinal Faulhaber, who helped negotiate the concordat with Hitler (and who ordained the present pope), assessed its international impact in a 1937 sermon:

“At a time when the heads of the major nations in the world faced the new Germany with cool reserve and considerable suspicion, the Catholic Church, the greatest moral power on earth, through the Concordat expressed its confidence in the new German government.”


Concordat Watch - Germany | Reichskonkordat (with Hitler, 1933): Full text
It still doesn`t proove that Hitler was a devout catholic.
 
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By using Hitler to prove that catholicism is wrong is nothing different form the atheists that try to prove christianity wrong because of the religious wars.
 
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The Catholic church made it a tradition in 1939 to celebrate Hitler’s birthday.

Pope Pius XII's ambassador, Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, celebrating Hitler's birthday


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On April 20, 1939, (Archbishop) Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pope Pius XII, when he preceded Orsenigo as Papal Nuncio to Germany) became a tradition. Each year, in the name of the Catholic bishops and the dioceses in Germany, April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Breslau sent "warmest congratulations to the Führer, with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."

(Source: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

This same head of the German Bishops' Conference, Cardinal Bertram, opposed all public protest against the deportation and massacre of the Jews

The Scandal of Roman Catholicism:

 
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ADOLF HITLER was a Devoted Roman Catholic a Jesuit Temporal Co-adjutor

[video=youtube;6o_-_hjP-oI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o_-_hjP-oI[/video]
 
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It`s a shame that they were weak and didn`t had enough faith in God to dare to risk their lives in speaking the truth to Hitler; but then again, this does not prove that Hitler himself was a catholic. Most historians say that his religious view was deistic (some others say he was an atheist) and not christian.
On the other hand, good for the catholic priest, Maximilian Kolbe, that volunteered to die in place of another man in the Nazi camp of Auschwitz. Learn to make the difference between catholic people and catholic teachings. If a catholic man does something shameful, that doesn`t mean that the catholicism teaches that.
Gandhi said that he admired Jesus Christ, but never met a christian that was Christ-like. Does that mean that christianity is a false religion?
 
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[SIZE=+1]"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory".

-Spanish dictator (Francisco Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death. [/SIZE]("Reforme", 21st of July 1945.)

General Franco: “Hitler fought for Christianity in Europe” | News that matters
 
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Yes… and that’s what you Catholics were telling your devout catholic disciple Hitler to tell the Germans (94% Christian) that being obedient to man’s authority was obedience to God. That resulted in the deaths of over 50 million. Heinrich Himmler also a devout Catholic modeled the NAZI SS. organization from the hierarchy of the Jesuit Order.
the holocaust was perpetrated by many different people, you ever read what Martin Luther said about the jews? google it, perhaps it would humble you, but I doubt that is possible.
 
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And what about calling Mary the “Queen of Heaven”?

Isn’t it a big blasphemy? An insult to the almighty King!
No it is not blasphemy, Mary is both the mother and bride of God, of course she is the Queen of heaven.
 
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[SIZE=+1]"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory".

-Spanish dictator (Francisco Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death. [/SIZE]("Reforme", 21st of July 1945.)

General Franco: “Hitler fought for Christianity*in*Europe” | News that matters
you really are a piece of work, the atrocities of World War II do not rest on the Catholic Church, they rest on the carnal nature of humanity, yes the Catholic Church is without excuse for what happened, because christians continue to justify christians warring we could have another holocaust at any time, humans are sinful and horrid and only those who repent and love God and one another will be saved from God's judgement. all christians need to stop justifying war, it is anathema.
 
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Humility is rarely apparent in the midst of battle especially to from the losing side.
Brother Rock,
you need to stop warring against catholics, they are not your enemy.
I know one catholic who prays for you daily to be filled with the faith, hope and love of God.

Christ be with you always.
 
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Brother Rock,
you need to stop warring against catholics, they are not your enemy.
I know one catholic who prays for you daily to be filled with the faith, hope and love of God.

Christ be with you always.

I'm not warring against Catholic lay-members or "flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places... and those are the powers that rule out of the Vatican.