King James says women can be pastors

[Sophia]

The only reason women have become pastors is the failure of men to man-up and take church leadership roles.

The Bible clearly is against women having authority over men.

The question is: is the woman sinning for teaching, or is the man sinning for just sitting in the congregation letting her teach?

If you are a man on this forum, be sure to get active in your church.

False teachers come and try to twist Scripture so that it's okay for men to sit back and let the women do the work.
MAN UP!
Preach the Word you have been given.



... am I sinning for telling you guys what to do?

 

[didymos]

The only reason women have become pastors is the failure of men to man-up and take church leadership roles.

The Bible clearly is against women having authority over men.

The question is: is the woman sinning for teaching, or is the man sinning for just sitting in the congregation letting her teach?

If you are a man on this forum, be sure to get active in your church.

False teachers come and try to twist Scripture so that it's okay for men to sit back and let the women do the work.
MAN UP!
Preach the Word you have been given.



... am I sinning for telling you guys what to do?

Two wrongs don't make a right...

 

[john832]

Two wrongs don't make a right...

But three lefts do.

(Hoist on thine own pitard.)

 

[Brother-Quick]

The only reason women have become pastors is the failure of men to man-up and take church leadership roles.

The Bible clearly is against women having authority over men.

The question is: is the woman sinning for teaching, or is the man sinning for just sitting in the congregation letting her teach?

If you are a man on this forum, be sure to get active in your church.

False teachers come and try to twist Scripture so that it's okay for men to sit back and let the women do the work.
MAN UP!
Preach the Word you have been given.



... am I sinning for telling you guys what to do?

hahaha this also i fear could be true and more probable then the Main point in post 1 as to why the op thinks the reason is lol lol

 

[oldhermit]

The very idea of "pastor" comes from the Roman Catholic tradition. Originally the church leaders were the Elders, and the Elders had various gifts. There was no structure per se.

No. The idea of a pastor in connection to the Church is clearly represented in 1Peter 5:1-2. Here Peter addresses the elders of the Church to whom he is writing and charges THEM as Πρεσβυτέρους - elders, to ποιμάνατε - shepherd or pastor the flock of God and to exercise the ἐπισκοποῦντες - oversight of the body. All three of these terms are routinely misused. We know from 1Tim. 3 that the term ἐπισκοποῦντες is described as a specific office within the Church and that the duty of the one who occupies that office is to Shepherd, feed, or pastor the flock. The term Πρεσβυτέρους - elders, describes a qualification of the men who are to occupy that office.

"Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;"

 

[Sophia]

Two wrongs don't make a right...

I do agree, but was hoping to help people remember that men are held responsible for the leadership, not the women.

Failed leadership = failed male role

I don't want to sound insulting, but i just found out that an old friend of mine from HS became a pastor (female) and I was upset with her, and the misled congregation that hired her.

 

[dcontroversal]

Psa 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
Psa 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.


New jewel found in king James coverup...

Church of England did not allow women pastors, so they covered up all the verses that made wome pastors

Rom 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Rom 16:2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.



so for men they translated diakonos for men as ministers and for women as servents
same word.

lets do it again

Rom 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a pastor of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Rom 16:2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.


SAME WORD! but for MEN they translate it as:

Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your MINISTER;

Rom 13:4 For he is theminister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


but for PHOEBE she is just a SERVANT

mistranslations


Yes, because of bigots as translators they did disservice to women

Phoebe was a minister and pastored the church, and Paul told everyone to listen to her and obey her.

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The King James, and as for that matter any translation, can be twisted and taken out of context to teach a plethora of false teachings...

diakonos means "servant" and is translated deacon and means nothing more nothing less.

If an (MAN) desire the office of (bishop)...
The (masculine) personal pronouns speak for themselves.

Not to mention the fact that both deacons and pastors are ordained positions by God and each have their place within one of the Lord's churches, and at the same time equal positions of service hence equaling (servant)

 

[didymos]

But three lefts do.

(Hoist on thine own pitard.)

Yup, and three rights make a left also, (boom, boom)

 

[didymos]

I do agree, but was hoping to help people remember that men are held responsible for the leadership, not the women.

Failed leadership = failed male role

I don't want to sound insulting, but i just found out that an old friend of mine from HS became a pastor (female) and I was upset with her, and the misled congregation that hired her.

It's cool.
Just because men refuse to take that responsibility doesn't justify women from taking it (biblically speaking).
Thats what I meant.

 

[breno785au]

I admit im a fence sitter on this issue, I dont have a conviction in my heart that leans either way. One part believes the scripture about women should be read in context, the other thinks perhaps the culture of our day is getting in the way of me seeing the truth. Either way I want understanding in my heart and I have prayed for clarity and understanding but my reason for posting is: My best friend years ago got caught up in drugs aalcoholism suicide and depression and him and a mate would bag Joyce meyer when she came on late at night, needless to say that friend wasnt always around and my friend used to watch it aanyway and his heart became convicted that she was telling the truth and it was like God popped out of the tv and he eventually got born aagainand God transformed his life. Which eventuated into him praying ernestly for years for me to see the truth in God. So im wandering where this all standards in the big picture. Personally I know that her teaching has led people to Christ. I wonder if she will be rewarded for preaching and people finding the kingdom because of that or if she will be condemned for doing so?

 

[kingerik]

I have ONLY given scripture and the ones you give says NOTHING about women preaching in church. When the brethren and their families come together.... Please look what Paul is sayin in 1 Cor 14, and please give SCRIPTURE where the women APPARENTLY question the men in PUBLIC... show scripture or keep your peace my young friend. These nonsence you picked up from FALSE teachers that are IGNORENT as Paul says, and if you also want to be ignorent Paul tells me to let you be ignorant. I have PROVEN with Scripture that ALL office bearers in the CHURCH is men and should be EXCLUSIVELY men... Deacon is the lowest office in church... and look what the Bible says... 1 Tim 3... Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

If you want to still argue this point take it to God HE GAVE SCRIPTURE, NOT ME!

Err...did you read what I said. No, it was just put in context. 11:5 is evidence that women have both the gift to preach and prophecy. I think you are reading what YOU want to believe because I've heard some powerful women speakers. Let's not forget our biblical Phebe, the deaconess in roman 16:1. Acts 21:9, You guys are taking things out of context.

Let me explain...

In 1 tim chapter 2, starting with verse 9-15, to understand these verses we must understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In the first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said women should learn quietly and humbly, he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the ephesian women tot each because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers. Evidently the women were especially susceptible to their teaching, 2 timothy 3:1-9) because they didn't yet have enough biblical knowledge to see through the false claims. In addition some of the women were flaunting their new-found Christian freedom by wearing inappropriate clothing(2:9). Paul was telling timothy not to put anyone(in this case, women) into positions of leadership who were not yet mature in the faith. The principle applies to churches today.


Look at 2:12 in 1 timothy, Paul's words I suffer not can be more literally translated "I am not allowing" paul did not forbid women from ever teaching men. Paul's commend co-worker Priscilla taught Apollos. In addition Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions in church such as Phebe, Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa (romans 16:6, 12) as were Euodias and Syntche.(Phil 4:2)

Also the word silence in the text here is often translated "Be in quietness" expressing an attitude of composure.

My Problem is with you. Does this also mean Women are not allowed to bring salvation to men? Does this mean, if a women were to get saved, none of the gifts apply to her? No, nonsense, if I am reading my bible correctly God uses us ALL not specifically men. Men are the head, no doubt, but women are and will be used by God in all the gifts!



Now if you don't mind good sir, I shall be on my way studying for my AP US test tomorrow!

 

[Apostol2013]

My biggest issue I am seeing is while I study the women not to teach or usurp authority over a man , fist I am for being just in all areas but the issue I see today a structure that is out of order women rising against the authority of their husbands due tob many reasons especially to how our society has portrayed thins till now but the issue is the family structure and integrity of moral has diminished greatly because such things so let's examine thisfurther

 

[Cobus]

Kingeric the Bible says the women will bring the men around with their GOOD BEHAVIOUR not GOOD TEAHCINGs... You assume to much and take the meaning of the Bible completely away with your assumptions... Again Priscilla was NOT a techer with words but with service and good behaviour... If she was a preacher/teacher. She would have been rebuked to be quiet, since she was not she was a GOOD GODLY woman... Acting in this fashion.... In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Thus Paul did not mention she was a loud woman, but a SHAMEFACED one....

 

[Apostol2013]

The issue if people are rebellious and ignorant of the word or they then are ignorant and make themselves enemies of God and that's something you don't want ,to fall in the hands of the Living God I mean his wrath....

 

[Victoria72]

Many of the NT Scriptures that state that women can't be pastors, women need to be silent, women need to submissive, etc., come from the writings of Paul. I personally don't understand why Paul, who wasn't an original disciple of Jesus, was allowed to have his writings in the Bible. Additionally, several of his writings, including the books of 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, and Ephesians are considered pseudepigraphic so again, why were they allowed in the Bible? Paul's writings reflect the rigidity of complying with OT laws because he never actually followed Jesus when Jesus was alive the way the other apostles did. Jesus was the reason for change but because Paul's writings reflect 25% of the NT, women still have to fight for change. What a shame.

 

[Yet]

It's all about fighting for that upper clerical position. Who gets to get it. Churches have split over this battle. Among men mainly wanting to quit their job and be the big cheese with a salary to boot.
Any way to get out of that sweat shop job they hate.
So we are saying that the one who gets the prize is the one who fought the hardest. So now he is ordained of God and duely appointed and anointed, the rightful heir to that pulpit throne.
This is not NT folks. Jesus said 'it shall NOT be so among you'. Matt.20. But who gives a rip what Christ said and Paul? Arrogance and more arrogance, not to mention covetousness.
Wake me up when you get there.

 

[oldhermit]

Many of the NT Scriptures that state that women can't be pastors, women need to be silent, women need to submissive, etc., come from the writings of Paul. I personally don't understand why Paul, who wasn't an original disciple of Jesus, was allowed to have his writings in the Bible. Additionally, several of his writings, including the books of 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, and Ephesians are considered pseudepigraphic so again, why were they allowed in the Bible? Paul's writings reflect the rigidity of complying with OT laws because he never actually followed Jesus when Jesus was alive the way the other apostles did. Jesus was the reason for change but because Paul's writings reflect 25% of the NT, women still have to fight for change. What a shame.

If this is true, why does the apostle Peter refer to the writings of Paul as scripture on the same par with all other scripture?

 

[atomiku]

Bishops are to be the "HUSBAND" of ONE WIFE

Pretty clear what the word says, If it was to be female i dont think it would be so clear.

 

[Apostol2013]

its not a matter of being unfair but being adherent to God's Word ,not because it is merely written but because we love God , He set the standards we follow , it is our duty , our obligation and our pleasure ..

 

[Victoria72]

@ Old Hermit....Paul was "recognized" for writing 14 of the NT writings and of those books, 6 of them, including the books of Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus are believed by modern day religious scholars and according to Wikipedia, to have been written by another author and not Paul himself. People don't like change for the most part. Paul's writings allowed many OT practices to remain unchanged including the status of women so why wouldn't Peter, a product of his male dominated society, argue with Paul? @Atomiku and Apostol2013....women didn't even receive a formal education beyond a certain age until the past few hundred years, maybe? As a result, if the bible refers to men frequently, which it does and as illustrated by your specific example, we, as a modern day audience, should attempt to understand the mindset of the writers at the time which was they were writing to a predominately male audience that could actually read the Bible. The religious scholars were men so they had the control and education. Explain to me this....why was a male and female child under the age of 5 worth different values according to the book of Leviticus? yet God loves us all equally? There shouldn't be a monetary value on any of us. We should all be the same. Some may argue that as the boy and girl got older, the values of boys increased more because they were able to work. Why the difference then from 0-5 years old? Are those infants/toddlers going to work? Well let me ask you this, if there were only men on earth, how long would the population survive without women to carry children? At the same token, men were always worth more shekels in the OT than women. Why? I personally believe that is a man made rule and God may have allowed it but I also believe He may not have agreed with it either. Jesus was and is the reason for change. This is why Jesus allowed women to follow Him during His ministry. Do you realize how radical it was for women to follow Jesus when they lived in a society that taught that women need to be at home? Most of those women would be viewed as prostitutes. Look at Mary Magdelene? There is no written proof that she was a prostitute yet she is viewed as a prostitute. Some argue that because her town was noted for ill-repute, specifically sexual deviance, she was most likely a prostitute yet, there is no proof she actually was. Furthermore, she is quoted in the NT to have financed Jesus's ministry. How can a prostitute finance the Lord's ministry? Where did she get the money if she had to stay at home? We don't know and they are just questions to ponder over.