His Elect !

svedbygrace · Jan 19, 2014

Matt 24:31

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Does God have a elect people ? There is one scripture that says God's own elect. Lk 18:7

7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

Is the fact that God has an election a theory of a man name calvin, or is it a scriptural truth ? I believe those who in unbelief and disdain, that shrug off election and other similar truth's of scripture as that of being the mere opinion of a man, will have much to answer for in the day of Judgment, which is not far away.

I will by God's Grace provide scriptural proof that election is the word of God, in that God, before the world began, made a distinction, a election among His creature man, choosing who would be objects of His special and peculiar Love and Favor. To begin lets look at a few verses of scripture.

Deut 7:6; Ps 135:4; Isa 41:8-9

Deut 7:6

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

What is truly amazing, is that most adversaries of the blessed Truth of election, have no problem receiving this Truth here in Deut, however they accept it as being applied to a carnal, natural people, Natural Israel, ethnic jews, but they reject the ideal of it applying to a Spiritual People, of all different ethnicities, having been Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

I have news for you, the Chosen in Deut 7:6 are the same exact Chosen in Eph 1:4.

The Love God Loved them with in Deut 7:7

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

This is the same Love spoken of in Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God does not have different Love, its always grounded in His elective purpose in Christ Jesus per Rom 8:39

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now what makes us believe that this Love in Rom 8:39 is any different from the Love of God spoken of in Deut 7:7 ?

There is no difference, its the same Love, for the same People, just that in Rom the Love is found out to be of a wider dimension than first revealed in Deut 7:6-7. For God so loved the World in that same manner Nicodemus. Jn 3:16. Thats Jesus point in Jn 3:16, that God had a Chosen, special, peculiar, people unto Himself, above all other People upon the Face of the earth.

James describe them here Acts 15:

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

This is part of the same People God spoke to in Deut 7:6-7, but it was not known then, but they too are of the Seed of Abraham Gen 17:5

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

The Seed of Abraham, no matter what race or geographical location, are the Chosen or Elect of God.

4enlightment · Jan 19, 2014

Acts 20:24
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace.

1 Corinthians 3:5
What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task.

Galatians 2:7
On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised.

Acts 1:2
until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.

Acts 1:24
Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen

Acts 9:15
But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Acts 22:14
“Then he said: ‘The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth.

Romans 8:33
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

Romans 16:13
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.

2 John 1:1
The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—

Vernon · Jan 19, 2014

"For God so loved the WORLD...", " ...Jesus Christ , the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but also for the sins of the whole world." "Behold, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." "...but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." "... who wants all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth"

If God elected one then he elected all to be saved. I do not believe God created man to become as evil, but God created humanity to become as He is. God has poured out his grace on to all humanity, it is our choice to accept his love and follow Jesus Christ. "Repent and believe the gospel for the kingdom of God is at hand" Jesus Christ circa 30ad. If there was no choices to be made then this existence would not make any sense, we are called to submit to his grace, those who refuse to do so shall be judged by his wrath. I would much rather be judged by his grace than to be judged by his wrath. God knows the end from the beginning and is not surprised by those who refuse his grace and truth revealed in Jesus Christ. God elected all to be saved through his Son, Jesus Christ. I find it more god-like that he would save all, rather than elect a few to be saved while creating souls for eternal damnation. It just seems so unlike God to purposely create souls so he could punish them eternally in some sadistic torment of fire.
Just a thought.

svedbygrace · Jan 19, 2014

Vernon

That's not scriptural . Show us a scripture that states that or repent !

just-me · Jan 19, 2014

Judas was elected (chosen) to follow Jesus as one of His disciples. What happened? He became possessed by Satan. If one is chosen doesn't that mean they still have a choice to be a reject?

Luke 6:12-16 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Luke 22:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.

crossnote · Jan 19, 2014

Acts 1:16-20 “Brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled that the Holy Spirit foretold through David concerning Judas – who became the guide for those who arrested Jesus –
for he was counted as one of us and received a share in this ministry.”
(Now this man Judas acquired a field with the reward of his unjust deed, and falling headfirst he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out.
This became known to all who lived in Jerusalem, so that in their own language they called that field Hakeldama, that is, “Field of Blood.”)
“For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his house become deserted, and let there be no one to live in it,’ and ‘Let another take his position of responsibility.’

There is a great mystery between God's choice and our responsibility.

PJM · Jan 19, 2014

You may like to study Psalm 49

starfield · Jan 19, 2014

just-me said:

Judas was chosen to be a disciple, not for salvation; he was never saved. Jesus even stated that He chose a devil (John 6:70-71; John 17:12) that scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70-71 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

dcontroversal · Jan 19, 2014

Vernon said:

The word saint is descriptive of who we are in Christ as (holy) and the word (elect) is descriptive of our position in Christ as (CHOSEN). God made the way of salvation open unto all humanity although all humanity will not believe for broad is the way which leads to destruction and (many) there be which will go in thereat. God also made the wicked for the day of destruction as He knew who would believe and who would not. God chose to ELECT (CHOOSE) all who would come to Him through Jesus. No offence, but you use of elect is incorrect as all have not been elected (chosen) unto salvation as not all will believe!

starfield · Jan 19, 2014

Vernon said:

"For God so loved the WORLD...", " ...Jesus Christ , the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but also for the sins of the whole world." "Behold, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." "...but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." "... who wants all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth"

If God elected one then he elected all to be saved. I do not believe God created man to become as evil, but God created humanity to become as He is. God has poured out his grace on to all humanity, it is our choice to accept his love and follow Jesus Christ. "Repent and believe the gospel for the kingdom of God is at hand" Jesus Christ circa 30ad. If there was no choices to be made then this existence would not make any sense, we are called to submit to his grace, those who refuse to do so shall be judged by his wrath. I would much rather be judged by his grace than to be judged by his wrath. God knows the end from the beginning and is not surprised by those who refuse his grace and truth revealed in Jesus Christ. God elected all to be saved through his Son, Jesus Christ. I find it more god-like that he would save all, rather than elect a few to be saved while creating souls for eternal damnation. It just seems so unlike God to purposely create souls so he could punish them eternally in some sadistic torment of fire.
Just a thought.

Can you please provide scripture for those?

Vernon said:

But no one deserves salvation. It is by God's grace.

reject-tech · Jan 19, 2014

The elect hold the non-elect in higher esteem, otherwise they could not have offered their lives and eternal destination in trade for the salvation of others. They do so with full understanding that they are not called because of being worthy based on their sinfulness or lack of it, but because they continually do not take their thoughts off of seeking the Father and the salvation of others. God wants this from a person more than perfection in repentance. As concerning the gospel, enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (Something wrong with text formatting and line breaks or is it my computer?)

weakness · Jan 20, 2014

svedbygrace said:

Vernon

That's not scriptural . Show us a scripture that states that or repent ![/QUOTE This is shown in god's desire that all would be saved and come to the acknowledgment of the truth, But other scripture s clearly say that all men will not receive and will reject the gospel and love of God .For one because their own works were evil and the Lords works were good, some were in the bond of iniquity,or blinded and hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. I am sometimes unsure about election. The fact that God would control the free will of another ,then judge him for sin seems not right. Sometimes I think that the election is in Jesus Christ, so if in him then elect. The promise was made to Abraham's seed which is christ, and not to us as individuals out side of Christ. Then there is the scripture in genesis that say " I will put enmity between the seed of the woman and the seed of Satan. Or 1 john That you can not sin if his seed remains in us. I know it says we are all have sinned and are liers if we say we have not not ,Or maybe this means before our acceptance of Jesus and our baptism into his death???For a dead man cannot sin. But what is the meaning then. Talk of the seed sown in our hearts and being born of incorruptible seed. Maybe there are two lines of genealogy ,The seed of Satan and the seed of the elect??? I am trying to understand better ,and am not stating doctrine .Any insight> Like Hagar and Sarah, Esau and Jacob. Esau's dependents seem to have a perpetual judgment on them . Then there is the Amalekites, and a perpetual war and a memorial to be pass on to future generations. Just some thoughts. There is Edom also tied in with Esau. Looking for insight

posthuman · Jan 20, 2014

The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
(Proverbs 16:4)

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
(Romans 9:21-24)

if 'all men will be saved' what good does it do any of us to acknowledge Christ? will we be saved even if we deny the savior? this is a patently false teaching. God is merciful, longsuffering and gracious, but He is also just, righteous, jealous and holy. thinking that God will not judge anyone is a myth that seems very attractive to anyone not willing to give up the sin in their lives in exchange for the hope of salvation.

"for God so loved the world.. " ... that what? by Love he saved every one of them? continue reading. that He made a way for all that would, to come. God loves, to be sure, but He doesn't "save" by Love - He "saves" by Christ, by grace.
Love does not save you. only Christ saves you, and that by grace, a gift of God. He gives grace because of His great love. though out of love He throws you a float to save you from the sea, if you will not take hold of the rope He throws to you, you will drown.

for the record, i think "the seed of Abraham" is pretty clearly biological descendancy, and one look at a map should show you many nations descended from him through Ismael.
Christ too, through Isaac, of course! but Christ isn't the "father of many nations" - rather He calls us out of many nations to a singular purpose of His own.

just-me · Jan 20, 2014

starfield said:

Judas was chosen to be a disciple, not for salvation; he was never saved. Jesus even stated that He chose a devil (John 6:70-71; John 17:12) that scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70-71 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

So God can elect people to follow Him even though He knows that they will be forever lost. Interesting. Thank you.

lookuptoseeJesus · Jan 20, 2014

You all would fit in with the church of England really well

but if you get a free Bible
at theword.net or anywhere, and look up every word you would see that elect (which sounds like SPECIAL) really doesnt mean that.

the Church of england wanted to be special so they used a word to make it sound special

all it means is the selected ones

when you pick a team for Basball in grade school they all lined up...
then each captain called out a name

and the person went of=ver there,
left
right
left

once in a while a name was called and that person didnt want to go
so they chose another name
and that one that didnt want to go woul be called by the other side and then they would go

at the end
each team had their selected ones

everyones name was callen

some CHOSE to go
some did not

it is all up to uyou

the doctrine of premedtiaino is from luciefer the demon serpent devil and is designed to discourage many people and be lost

God is calling YOU to get into his Bible and exppose all the lies now
courage
there is a battle
the majorit wil kill you if they can
you cannot any longer be killed.
God has chosen you if you follow him and his word. otherwise the enemy has chosen you.

p_rehbein · Jan 20, 2014

lookuptoseeJesus said:

You all would fit in with the church of England really well

but if you get a free Bible
at theword.net or anywhere, and look up every word you would see that elect (which sounds like SPECIAL) really doesnt mean that.

the Church of england wanted to be special so they used a word to make it sound special

all it means is the selected ones

when you pick a team for Basball in grade school they all lined up...
then each captain called out a name

and the person went of=ver there,
left
right
left

once in a while a name was called and that person didnt want to go
so they chose another name
and that one that didnt want to go woul be called by the other side and then they would go

at the end
each team had their selected ones

everyones name was callen

some CHOSE to go
some did not

it is all up to uyou

the doctrine of premedtiaino is from luciefer the demon serpent devil and is designed to discourage many people and be lost

God is calling YOU to get into his Bible and exppose all the lies now
courage
there is a battle
the majorit wil kill you if they can
you cannot any longer be killed.
God has chosen you if you follow him and his word. otherwise the enemy has chosen you.

(...........I knew there was a reason God invented Tylenol.........)

starfield · Jan 20, 2014

lookuptoseeJesus said:

You all would fit in with the church of England really well

but if you get a free Bible
at theword.net or anywhere, and look up every word you would see that elect (which sounds like SPECIAL) really doesnt mean that.

the Church of england wanted to be special so they used a word to make it sound special

all it means is the selected ones

when you pick a team for Basball in grade school they all lined up...
then each captain called out a name

and the person went of=ver there,
left
right
left

once in a while a name was called and that person didnt want to go
so they chose another name
and that one that didnt want to go woul be called by the other side and then they would go

at the end
each team had their selected ones

everyones name was callen

some CHOSE to go
some did not

it is all up to uyou

the doctrine of premedtiaino is from luciefer the demon serpent devil and is designed to discourage many people and be lost

God is calling YOU to get into his Bible and exppose all the lies now
courage
there is a battle
the majorit wil kill you if they can
you cannot any longer be killed.
God has chosen you if you follow him and his word. otherwise the enemy has chosen you.

"2Thewaters" number 2?

notuptome · Jan 20, 2014

We always get into trouble when we lump election into one big pile of doctrine. There are a number of elections and they apply to different groups of people specifically and to all people generally.

Israel is elect among the nations. Israel was elect to bring forth the Messiah. Israel was elect to receive Gods word and teach it to all the nations. I know they failed but they were still elect to do so and one day they will.

Christians are elect in Christ. We become elect because we have received Christ and are now predestined to a specific purpose.

The Matthew reference in the OP do you know to whom and about whom the Lord is speaking? Hint, it's not the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

svedbygrace · Apr 20, 2014

His Elect !

There is absolutely no question, the meaning of Election is that God Almighty has made a clear Choice, for the very word signifies a selection and appointment. God has exercised His own Sovereign prerogative and picked out from among His creatures of mankind, those whom He purposed to save by His Grace. Ps 135:4

4For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

Notice unto Himself ! Now compare that statement with this one Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Same People are they not ? Remember Paul addressed this epistle as unto the Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:2

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect [Chosen], and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Now it should be understood, there is no election or selection or choice, without a deliberate singling out, and no singling out without passing by or rejection of the rest as per Rom 11:7

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The rest ! The word rest is the greek word loipos:

with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number

The rest here means those jews who are not of a specific class or number, which would be the Election of Grace, God's Chosen People. You see, just being an ethnic jew born in the Nation of Israel, did not make one Chosen of God, one of His elect.3

svedbygrace · Apr 21, 2014

Lets look at this principle of Divine Election within the writings of the NT. Matt 24:22,24, and 31

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And no, these scriptures do not pertain to all earthly jews, but people of every tribe and tongue.

Lk 18:7

7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

Rom 8:33

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Rom 9:11

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Paul preached the purpose of God according to election in His Gospel.

2 Tim 2:10

10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

This points to Eternal Salvation in Christ is for the elect's sake ! Christ must have died only for the elect !8

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